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Really old neon FS-2 with cylindrical glowtube

Really old neon FS-2 with cylindrical glowtube

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This starter is a vintage US made FS-2/FS-5. I had one branded as Sylvania and the other one was branded by a different company with a name I can't remember. It is a cylindrical glow bottle that is spattered with silver stuff so that the majority of the glow comes from the underside, but if you look directly at the top, you can see an orange halo around the edges, as shown in this shot of one of the same starter glow tubes after I stuck it in a reamed out casing that was also made stubby at one point. The one in that picture was the Sylvania one for sure. This one here I don't know since I took this one after aquiring the second one. They both had fried wax capacitors and seemed stuck, but started working again as soon as the wax paper capacitors were removed. They both have a nice blink happy flash pattern and I like the way their pings sound, both different but with some similarities. BTW, hey Miles, is this what the glowtubes of the Bryant starters that came with your art deco strip light looked like? Because if so, they might possibly be of the same make and should resume working if the wax caps are removed.

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Light Information

Model Number:FS-2 or FS-5
Wattage:4-22
Lamp Type:fluorescent starter
Base:2 pin twist lock
Fabrication Date:old
Factory Location:USA
Colour Temperature:neon orange
Voltage:120
Lamp Shape:cylindrical
Ballast Type:preheat
Socket Type:twist lock, 2 pin
Fixture Location:floating

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May 01, 2010 at 04:48 AM Author: tmcdllr
I like the ping sound too.

Nothing like the beautiful cool white light of a coated Mercury Vapor lamp and the soothing hum of it's magnetic ballast.

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May 01, 2010 at 06:33 AM Author: dor123
By the way, even electronic starters can make this noise. In fact i think the ballast is the source of this noise because, electronic ballast don't have this noise, but preheat magnetic ballast have this noise regardless of the type of the starter.
Look at my video from the printing room of the warehouse in Carmel hospital: http://picasaweb.google.com/110595932802324922410/Lighting?authkey=Gv1sRgCI6D9bav-ezxcQ#5447327456107837874 to hear the ping noises despite the fluorescents in the video actually operated with electronic starters.

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May 01, 2010 at 07:40 AM Author: nogden
When I have had preheat ballasts set up on the bench for testing, most of the ping comes from the starter but the ballast has a little click as well when the starter opens. In fact, when I have set up lamps for experiments, I can even hear a little pop from the lamp itself when I replace the starter with a manual switch.
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May 01, 2010 at 08:36 AM Author: dor123
nogden: This make sence, since the clicking noise from a fluorescent lamp operated by an electronic starter is only when the lamp is lit (When the electronic started preform action that equivalent to the opening of the glow starter). The tube itself is noiseless and this is the reason why electronic ballasted fluorescent lamps aren't hums and/or make noises at the ignition at all.

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May 01, 2010 at 11:19 AM Author: arcblue
The electronic starter I have is noiseless. I notice that many standard starters are pretty quiet but I've had a few that click/ping pretty loudly.

I like the neon starters - but the only one I have is built in to a Philips PL-13 lamp.

I'm lampin...

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May 01, 2010 at 09:04 PM Author: Miles
Yes, they are like that. I didn't have a chance to remove the caps yet. They're on "hold"
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Dec 19, 2014 at 02:13 PM Author: jercar954
If the caps are shorted,it will appear as the glow bottle has stuck contacts.

Preheat and T-12 fluorescents forever! Down with LED's and instant start T-8 fluorescents.

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Dec 19, 2014 at 07:43 PM Author: don93s
Yeah, I've seen caps short probably more often than the starter contacts. And the "ping" is probably the bimetal strips snapping apart after being temporarily welded and then cool off enough to separate suddenly...at least my best guess. One of my preheaters does that....the ends actually stay glowing for a second or two then suddenly a loud ping and lamp flips on.
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Dec 19, 2014 at 08:49 PM Author: xmaslightguy
Thats one of the cool things about preheat -- is the little sounds they make

Colored Flourescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome, the modern 'white' ones are kinda boring...

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Dec 20, 2014 at 12:38 AM Author: dor123
The pinging sound is indeed from the starter. Electronic starter, don't make any noise, from my experience with my Arlen EFS120. My writing on my former comments are all wrong, since at that time, I thought that they two fluorescent lamps in the storage of Carmel hospital, which produces a sharp clicks, have also electronic starters, before realising, that they have Eltam Perfekt-Start ballast with thermal snap starters (Same as the one in the GEC Solarcolour, but with much faster reaction of several seconds).
Also, starters with this design of glow bottle, can still made today.

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