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Glasgow unknown incandescent lanterns est. 50+ years old

Glasgow unknown incandescent lanterns est. 50+ years old

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My interest in Glasgow's Street lighting was piqued when I noticed in an old family photo from nearly 50 years ago a familiar sight - street lamp columns, brackets and overhead wiring that looked the same as they do today. Only the lantern was different, but when I saw something from the train that bore resemblance, I had to have a look.

This weekend I finally got a chance to get up close and see these incredible pieces of lighting history with my own eyes. The closeup photo (inset) shows the remains of a clear GLS lamp, whose stem construction suggest it's likely to be a GEC lamp and whose size and application suggest 300 or 500 Watts.

Glasgow's street lighting remained part electric and part gas from the late 1800s right up to 1971 when the last gas lamp was snuffed out. Being incandescent and with the austere design cues, I'd suggest these lanterns could be as early as 1930s and no later than 1960s. These are the only remaining examples that I'm aware of, down an abandoned lane with the supply wires further on up being cut. I gather at one time that these lanterns were probably quite common in Glasgow.

The family photo I gave reference to previously, along with a "present day" photo that it was blended with, is here:
http://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3412&pos=28&pid=106492
The street was the same and the location as close as I could practically get.

Click the photo to see more detail in the inset images.

This is the precise location (gate was open when I visited, very lucky). The area generally is called Tradeston.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.8431848,-4.2644031,3a,15y,28.17h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJMQWgQKsKwUY-bi-isWYVw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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Manufacturer:Possibly GEC?
Lamp
Lamp Type:GLS incandescent
Service Life:1000 hr
Fixture
Fixture Type:Incandescent open street lantern
Electrical
Wattage:300 or 500 at a guess
Physical/Production
Factory Location:likely British, but if old enough possibly made in an overseas British territory?
Fabrication Date:design cues suggest 1930 to ca. 1960s

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Jan 09, 2017 at 02:44 PM Author: merc
Very nice. They indeed look like from the pre-WW II era!
The place looks desolate.

Not a misoLEDist...

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Jan 09, 2017 at 08:01 PM Author: wattMaster
Does it still work?

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Jan 11, 2017 at 01:20 PM Author: trencheel303
Two or three lamp posts up (behind me) the overhead supply wires have been cut. There is presumably no gear to fail, but of course no working lamp. I was lucky to find even the remains of one lamp that I did, which allowed me to identify these as tungsten lanterns. I had thought they may be MA/V lanterns, as the family photo I originally identified them from was not clear enough to discern the type of lamp used. If they had an intact lamp I'd have been shimmying up the lamp post to get it

So in answer to your question, it's a resounding "no". I don't know if there are any public road lanterns in the UK that still use a GLS lamp, I gather there are some rare examples in the USA. Maintenance must be a nightmare with only a short 1000 hour average lifespan.

merc: indeed it is long since abandoned. I don't even know what the area was in its prime, but there is a large expanse of land to the left that probably once had a building that is now demolished. To those not interested in street furniture, even the cobbled road is a clue that this is old. Newer Thorn Precinct lanterns had been installed and some with floodlights atop, which suggests perhaps usage as recently as a few decades ago. The area is on Maxwell Road behind and around the corner from Jewson, which may have something to do with it. I might sign up to Secret Scotland and ask there.

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Jan 11, 2017 at 01:34 PM Author: whitestar
This is nice to see,i have seen many examples of todays versions of these after conversion to sox during my many visits to Glasgow and outer areas so its good to see what the original installation once looked like.

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Jan 11, 2017 at 02:22 PM Author: Ash
Besides gear there is another thing to fail, and most likely it is long failed in those : The isolation on the wires. Pretty high chances of a short circuit if power is reapplied as is
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Jan 11, 2017 at 03:08 PM Author: Alex
Lovly

Stop the LED (...)!
Make Tungsten Filament great again!

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Jan 11, 2017 at 05:02 PM Author: Flurofan96
Plus the BC holder going rusty/corroded

LED streetlights are flipping Yussless!!!! I'd may as well be in the dark!!!!!

Flaming Nora, where are SOX, SON, MH and MV when you need them

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Jan 12, 2017 at 01:24 AM Author: Ash
i dont think they had PCs. At that time lights were controlled manually or by time switches. There are no gearboxes and no wiring for individual switches here, so the power line to them would be switched
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Jan 12, 2017 at 12:24 PM Author: trencheel303
I think when he says BC holder, he means the lamp holder. I'm not sure that the lamp holder would have been BC either, probably requiring an E40 socket.

The way a lot of lanterns are switched in Glasgow, is one of a group has a photocell and that is then wired to switch the whole road. Or, the same but with a timer. Quite often the "master lantern" has a metal box nearby on the pavement, which I assume contains all the necessary gubbins for facilitating this.

whitestar: where and when have you seen these running SOX? It's probably from before my time, too!

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Jan 12, 2017 at 12:43 PM Author: whitestar
No i have not seen these fittings running sox i have just seen many examples where this fitting shown here has been sawn off its arm and a side entry mostly 90w sox lantern fitted,the post and linking overhead wiring has mostly remained the same,ive often wondered what the original lantern would have been,thanks for showing.

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Jan 12, 2017 at 01:48 PM Author: Ash
The "gubbins for facilitating this" are just a contactor, this thing (for 16A = small number of lanterns) is the shape and size of a circuit breaker nowadays, and wasnt much bigger in the past either (dont know how large it was made in the far past, but there isnt any modern technology in it. All the shrinking is just by arranging components more efficiently and redesigning the terminals and such to take less space)
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Jan 14, 2017 at 05:17 AM Author: trencheel303
Yes, much of Glasgow is still lit by SOX on these original lamp posts. Plenty of GEC 9454/9464 and older still lanterns on concrete lamp posts as well.

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