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Here's another one of my bucket lights, a Lithonia PSMH yardblaster.

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Aug 10, 2017 at 09:03 PM Author: streetlight98
Hopefully this doesn't fail on you. The people of Home Depot gave this a whopping 1.5 out of 5 stars. A real piece of junk I guess. It's too bad since it gives HID a bad rap to homeowners, since they're not going to spend the money on a quality HID fixture.

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Aug 11, 2017 at 08:35 AM Author: Lumex120
I read that as "hopefully this doesn't fall on you". To be fair, almost all PSMH NEMAs have been discontinued in favor of LED "area lights" that are nowhere near as effective. They just light up a small area directly underneath them. If you want a PSMH bucket light these are pretty much your only option (your other option is a 100w PSMH Cooper RMA, but ordering one seems to be rather difficult)

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Aug 11, 2017 at 08:45 AM Author: wattMaster
I suppose you could install a PSMH ballast in a HPS bucket light, but that's more boring than an unmodified version.

Where are bucket lights when you need them?

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Aug 11, 2017 at 11:30 AM Author: streetlight98
LOL as long as you don't under- or over-tighten the bolts this shouldn't fall on you lol. That's funny.

Yeah TBH the best thing a consumer could do is buy a cheaper HPS one (or one of these if they're on clearance) and replace the ballast. These things are like $100 at HD though so way too expensive. If you can order from Graybar you can order a high-quality PSMH AEL Series 11 for maybe around $150 and that comes with a quality (as far as today's standards go...) ballast and you can even include the lamp, PC, arm and hardware, and wiring. <-- EDIT: I see AEL doesn't offer a PSMH NEMA anymore!!!

Yeah those LED area lights they sell at the stores are no more effective than using a 100W= LED bulb in a standard incandescent porch light. And they look WAY uglier. Honestly, I'd like to buy one of these AEL "Watch Light" fixtures. They're a little oddball looking but I honestly think they're kinda cool. You can order it with a bucket too. Love the giant fins on it. Wouldn't want to see streets lit with it but I'd install one on my property if I got one. I'd order a "WL1 A PRM D5 3K TL P7 PKGL". Would work well to replace a 100W MV NEMA at 33W and comes with premium gear. Probably hella expensive though.

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Aug 11, 2017 at 04:23 PM Author: Lumex120

LOL as long as you don't under- or over-tighten the bolts this shouldn't fall on you lol. That's funny.

Yeah TBH the best thing a consumer could do is buy a cheaper HPS one (or one of these if they're on clearance) and replace the ballast. These things are like $100 at HD though so way too expensive. If you can order from Graybar you can order a high-quality PSMH AEL Series 11 for maybe around $150 and that comes with a quality (as far as today's standards go...) ballast and you can even include the lamp, PC, arm and hardware, and wiring. <-- EDIT: I see AEL doesn't offer a PSMH NEMA anymore!!!

Yeah those LED area lights they sell at the stores are no more effective than using a 100W= LED bulb in a standard incandescent porch light. And they look WAY uglier. Honestly, I'd like to buy one of these AEL "Watch Light" fixtures. They're a little oddball looking but I honestly think they're kinda cool. You can order it with a bucket too. Love the giant fins on it. Wouldn't want to see streets lit with it but I'd install one on my property if I got one. I'd order a "WL1 A PRM D5 3K TL P7 PKGL". Would work well to replace a 100W MV NEMA at 33W and comes with premium gear. Probably hella expensive though.

I would have loved to order a 70w PSMH series 11 with a glass 4-way refractor... unfortunately that will never happen. I would like to order a Cooper RMA 100w PSMH with a mogul socket and Type II refractor.

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Aug 11, 2017 at 05:04 PM Author: streetlight98
Better act fast is you're serious about it since who knows when Cooper will discontinue it.

BTW I'm going on vacation a week from today and need your box gone before I leave. Just FYI...

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Aug 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM Author: Lumex120
I know that cooper is probably going to discontinue it. Problem is, I don't really have a way of making money right now (I have applied for several jobs but haven't got a response) so once I pay you (I am going to use the clear mercs in my HID lamp display at the fair) ordering one is out of the question. The ways I was making money up until now was cutting up and removing fallen trees on a friend's property after a tornado. But now all the trees are gone and so I have to find something else to do...

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Aug 12, 2017 at 11:31 AM Author: wattMaster
Why not request a rain check?

Where are bucket lights when you need them?

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Aug 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM Author: Lumex120
You mean tell them I am a collector and ask if they could make one in PSMH or something just as a 1-time thing? Someone on GOL did that to get a 35w HPS 115.

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Aug 12, 2017 at 11:35 AM Author: streetlight98
@ Wattmaster: A rain check works at the grocery store, not at a distributor for something that's never going to be made ever again...

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Aug 12, 2017 at 11:50 AM Author: Lodge

You mean tell them I am a collector and ask if they could make one in PSMH or something just as a 1-time thing? Someone on GOL did that to get a 35w HPS 115.


Fire the company an Email and ask them, it never hurts to ask sometimes they will do it, explain your going to post it and give it a full review, let them know your Userid and the website so they can look, sometimes the adverting alone has value to the company, and that might help them to produce a one off item or find a NOS buried in the warehouse, they know that people on a site like this also buy there products.
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Aug 12, 2017 at 12:43 PM Author: Lodge

Hopefully this doesn't fail on you. The people of Home Depot gave this a whopping 1.5 out of 5 stars. A real piece of junk I guess. It's too bad since it gives HID a bad rap to homeowners, since they're not going to spend the money on a quality HID fixture.


Some of the homedepot reviews are very questionable at best, I've seen them write up a review on an extension cords complaining the 3 plug fan tail end wouldn't fit in the shrouded single plug end on there lawnmower, really a large rectangle doesn't fit in a small round whole, maybe someone missed kindergarten, But what is troubling is the Q&A section, Lithonia claims you can use a lower wattage lamp in that fixture, they just burn out sooner, Really Lithonia ? was the product liability lawyer on vacation that day, or did they get hacked by Philips in an effort to sell more light bulbs ?
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Aug 12, 2017 at 01:12 PM Author: streetlight98
Oh yeah you gotta take HD reviews with a grain of salt. If these idiots knew anything about lighting to begin with they wouldn't be buying their HIDs at Home Depot. LOL at the other reviews you've seen.

Yeah the Lithonia answers are hysterical. One guy asked what the specifications were on the lamp for a replacement and Lithonia said "This fixture comes with a 100W metal halide (MH) medium base, ED17 bulb. Thanks for your question!" That's no more information than is on the box... Another question was "How do I adjust the photocell socket to aim north?" and the answer they gave was "Thank you for your inquiry. The photocell does not necessarily have to be pointed north, however, please ensure the window of the photocell is facing the direction where light is most intense." Huh?

TBH they shouldn't even sell any HID lighting at a retail level. It should only be sold in lighting stores where only people with at least half a brain shop.

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Aug 12, 2017 at 02:30 PM Author: Ash
Some Alola going on there...

For the Cooper lantern, do they make any lantern at all using the same body and refractor ? Then fit your own ballast inside..

How is the gear arranged in the one in the picture ? Is the ignitor in this the same PCB or open Plastic frame as in some cobraheads ?
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Aug 12, 2017 at 02:31 PM Author: Lumex120
Yep, they also make it in HPS. Retrofitting one isn't as fun as getting an original, though.

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Aug 12, 2017 at 07:52 PM Author: streetlight98
The socket bracket is welded to the ballast too in a lot of yardblasters, making retrofitting difficult.

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Aug 13, 2017 at 12:32 AM Author: Lodge
And they like to use low power factor ballasts so there is no room for the cap, and they are also 120 volt only so the more common replacement Tri/Quad taps don't fit in the fixture as the replacements are larger.. Really these units are not made to be serviced they are mostly, remove and replace lights if it's anything more then a burnt out light or sensor
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Aug 13, 2017 at 12:45 AM Author: Ash
Yep, they also make it in HPS. Retrofitting one isn't as fun as getting an original, though.

If they dont make the MH anymore, all bets are they will just gut a HPS one and fit the MH gear in, and charge a big extra for that. That is if they accept the order at all




The socket bracket is welded to the ballast too in a lot of yardblasters, making retrofitting difficult.

Galvanised Steel C profiles as used for wall studs (instead of wood) are great for cutting all sorts of small brackets out of




And they like to use low power factor ballasts so there is no room for the cap, and they are also 120 volt only so the more common replacement Tri/Quad taps don't fit in the fixture as the replacements are larger.. Really these units are not made to be serviced they are mostly, remove and replace lights if it's anything more then a burnt out light or sensor

Magnetic ballasts should not burn out anyway. Why they do ?
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Aug 13, 2017 at 12:52 AM Author: HomeBrewLamps
i have not found a burnt out ballast yet.... just one that took a bad fall and died..... it is featured in my first forum post here lol

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Aug 13, 2017 at 01:04 AM Author: Lodge

Magnetic ballasts should not burn out anyway. Why they do ?


Most likely they are Aluminum and not copper wound ballasts, most likely unrated so they run hot, and they are made by highly questionable companies, all the big box stores care about is cost not quality, and if they can find it cheaper somewhere else they will so Lithnona cuts every corner they can to entertain them, and all they care about is will it last the warranty, after that it's not there problem..

Gone are the days of high quality products if you shop at big box stores, even simple items like a can opener they don't last..
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Aug 13, 2017 at 08:24 AM Author: streetlight98
An interesting thing on the warranty for this particular product... it only covers defects from manufacturer. The lamp, photocell, and even the ballast are not covered by their warranty and are apparently warranted separately by the companies that made them according to their website. Good luck tracking down "Gjsueognsh Corporation - Shanghai China".

Yeah a good magnetic ballast will never fail but the ballasts used in these, essentially throw-away, fixtures are terrible. They're wound from aluminum with barely enough varnish, run as hot as coals (tight fixture with very thin aluminum casting doesn't help either), and the coils are wound very sloppily meaning they get loud overtime. I've noticed the insulation gets charred on a lot of them too since they often don't bother to use a high enough temperature rating on the wire insulation.

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