Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « on: November 21, 2010, 01:00:25 PM » Author: dor123
Photographed near the parents home "Pisgat Hen" of my grandmother. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPDI4ySmIlk While in HPS lamps having an internal glow starter, the starter always fails first (Because of the high temperature inside the outerbulb, higher loading and the starter rely on moving parts inside a neon atmosphere), in this video, you can easily see that the glow starter inside this elliptical diffused 70W HPS lamp outlived the arctube!!!! (And with a cycling behavior that matches a preheat fluorescent operates with the same starter) This means that this is an another chinese junk, with a poorly made arctube.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #1 on: November 22, 2010, 01:12:24 AM » Author: Medved
I don't think it is so clear, then the starter fail first. I'm more convinced, then the tube enter the runaway first, what lead to cycling (as usual for HPS), but as the glowbottle has a limited life compare to the electronic ignitor, it fail few hours after (but the electronic will continue to ignite for months at least). Don't forget, then one night with cycling lamp is the same (or even worse) stress on the ignition system (either glowbottle or electronic) as few years of normal operation, what is far enough to kill the glowbottle way sooner, then you notice the lamp ever cycling (so you have then the impression, then the starter failed first). Temperature: Inside the lamp is, indeed, high temperature during operation, but during normal operation the starter has no reason to fire. And when it is normally starting the lamp, the whole lamp is cold. Firing hot starter happen only at hot restarts, so mainly when the lamp start to cycle. And this, indeed, lead to accelerated wear and add to what is described above.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 07:27:03 AM » Author: bluelights
I have a Philips SON-H 110 W lamp which has a glowbottle starter wired in series with a bimetallic switch. When the lamp heats up, the switch disconnects the starter until the lamp cools down again and is ready to fire up. I also have a SON 70 W lamp which was cycling with a good starter, but the next time I turned it on the starter just blinks and lamp doesn't fire up.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 03:53:57 PM » Author: AngryHorse
Theres still no substitute for an external ignitor where HPS lamps are conserned, there is always plenty of room in any fixture for an ignitor, but for the sake of just simplifying the gear circuit, I can`t see why there was any need to do an internal ignition HPS lamp. EYE do have the best one though.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #6 on: May 25, 2015, 01:06:52 PM » Author: Solanaceae
Could you use the glow bottle from this lamp to start larger wattage fluorescents? Like for example: a 65/80w tube.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #7 on: May 26, 2015, 04:49:45 AM » Author: dor123
I don't know, but starters of 70W internal ignitor HPS lamps, are larger than the ones for fluorescent lamps. Currently, the two lanterns have CFLs.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #8 on: May 26, 2015, 08:22:35 AM » Author: Solanaceae
What wattage are the CFLs? Are you talking about the glow bottle being larger than a high wattage fluorescent tube glow bottle starter?
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #9 on: May 26, 2015, 10:44:57 AM » Author: dor123
The CFLs are tubular with 3 U tubes, cool white. The glow bottles of internal ignitor HPS lamps, are usually larger than the ones of fluorescent starters, but I think that the british 4-125W starter, have similar size of glow bottle as the 70W internal ignitor HPS lamps, as in 230-240V mains, you ignite european 50-70W HPS lamps with it, without the need of a 60W incandescent lamp in series with it (For a 4-65W starter [Such as Philips S10], you need to put a 60W incandescent lamp, in series, to limit the current to the starter, and prevent it from overheating).
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #10 on: May 26, 2015, 01:24:44 PM » Author: Solanaceae
Ok that makes sense now. Do they make direct retrofit CFLs for HPS or do you remove the gear first?
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #11 on: May 26, 2015, 01:40:22 PM » Author: dor123
They disconnected the gear. Here is a picture of the lanterns.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #12 on: May 26, 2015, 03:05:02 PM » Author: Solanaceae
Yeah, I raed through the post. It'd be more economical to put in ballasts with igniters and new HPS bulbs so you don't have to replace those CrappyFluorescentLights.
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	Re: Is this worth the money?: A cycling 70W HPS with an INTERNAL GLOW STARTER!!!! « Reply #14 on: July 08, 2015, 02:13:17 PM » Author: Liam
Quote from: Solanaceae on May 25, 2015, 01:06:52 PM Could you use the glow bottle from this lamp to start larger wattage fluorescents? Like for example: a 65/80w tube. Yes they would work fine on tubes from 36w to 70w T8 or 40w to 125w T12. I had a couple of 70w SON I lamps where the arc tube failed but the starter works fine  so i broke the outer jacket and sniped the glow bottle out of it. The lamps were an Osram NAV-I 70w and a Sylvania shp-I 70w.
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