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Mass changeover from 60's era mercury cobraheads to these things

Mass changeover from 60's era mercury cobraheads to these things

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Ive posted on here several times before about the town I live still using old 60-70's mercury cobraheads as a good 95% of its streetlighting, over the last few years they've experimented with many a cheap LED or CFL replacements and retrofits for failed MV fixtures, including LED corn retrofit lamps, and LED fixtures of varying brands and quality, including the cheap glare bomb in the pic. Now, over the last two weeks the fixture above has been popping up en-masse all around town, and just last week, all of the (still working) MV cobraheads have been replaced with these on the entire street I live. The glare is about as terrible as the low-CRI 2700k warm white color these produce. I would say the glare is almost as bad as the headlights of oncoming traffic.

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Jul 22, 2018 at 11:12 PM Author: BlueHalide
It really is quite sad to see, and really shows just how economically depressed this town is, theyre literally replacing some of the best quality, durable, longest lasting technology that have been in operation since the 60's, with what's likely the worst possible quality modern LED fixture. Just like other towns in this area where the municipality owns the streetlighting, this town never switched to HPS in the late 80's/early 90's like other cities did. I called public works and asked what they were doing with the old lights, and apparently they have all been sold already (probably to a metals company to be scrapped)
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Jul 22, 2018 at 11:29 PM Author: dor123
These are popular here in parking lots of malls and power centers.
I've seen lot of these at various locations, including Tel-Hanan power center, getting EOLED within less than a year: https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-145300

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Jul 22, 2018 at 11:37 PM Author: Lumex120
I am so sorry to hear this. How well did the LED corn cob retrofits work in the cobraheads? Also, what city are you in? A few years ago I was in a town in Illinois that had mercury streetlighting, don't remember the name though.

Any machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.

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Jul 23, 2018 at 01:04 AM Author: High Intensity
It's LED crap like this that makes everyone hate LEDs, especially when it starts replacing good old high quality fixtures that have lasted many years. If they wanted to replace them, they should have used better fixture or better yet, just keep the old fixture because they could have a lot of life left in them and when the gear fails, then replace the gear with something like metal halide or high pressure sodium gear. That way they can still have the same fixture with gear that might same a bit more energy that the MV lamps (but i still think MV is better and MH is pretty good, not saying HPS is bad as it does have it's uses).

Old lighting is, and will always be, the best lighting.

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Jul 23, 2018 at 02:16 AM Author: sox35
It's happening everywhere

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Jul 23, 2018 at 05:55 AM Author: lightinglover8902
They're using the cheap ebay LED streetlights, those go bad in a few months! I'm glad I'm not seeing these cheapo ebay LED streetlights in my area. I'm also glad that CPE didn't use these, they use better LED street lights they install, than these crappy cheapo ebay LED street lights!

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Jul 23, 2018 at 04:15 PM Author: kai
Just like other towns in this area where the municipality owns the streetlighting, this town never switched to HPS in the late 80's/early 90's like other cities did.

And now they are running out of MV bulbs, thus in despair install some trash? Various poorly designed LED installations here in Germany came into being this way. Simply screwing in the infamous corn cobs would presumably really be the better option in such cases.
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Jul 23, 2018 at 07:13 PM Author: xmaslightguy
Sad to hear that they're replacing the nice old MV street-lights

I've never seen these particular eyeball-lights used on streets here.

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I have a light similar to this one, as far as its physical construction, it actually doesn't seem badly made at all.... The electronics, who knows but I would assume 'not the best quality' I guess I'll see how it does.

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Jul 23, 2018 at 08:55 PM Author: BlueHalide
Its crazy seeing these on ebay for as little as $35, then witnessing the public works dept out in bucket trucks putting the them up, sad really. The "test" samples of these they installed about two years ago are surprisingly still working. I imagine they just chose the least expensive of all the test fixtures they put up over the last couple years that are still working for their mass conversion happening now.

Also, I dont think a limited availability of MV replacement lamps caused this decision, here in the US mercury lamps are still readily available in nearly all wattages, and chinese offerings are cheaper than ever. I think what really happened was the city began to realize all those 400w and 250w mercury cobraheads were costing them so much in power that the $35 LED fixture and whatever cost in installation labor is so low that the initial cost would be paid back in no time with energy savings. Btw I was driving around the other night and it appears they are using the same 30w LED to replace all mercury wattages, basically using the same fixture on all applications... intersections, residential streets, main streets, municipal parking lots etc...
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Jul 23, 2018 at 10:07 PM Author: Lumex120
30w LED at intersections? Geez.

Any machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.

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Jul 23, 2018 at 10:37 PM Author: tolivac
Philips makes retrofit CHM ballasts,sockets and bulbs to retrofit older fixtures to CHM in either 3100 or 4000K colors the wattages 210 or 315.The 210W to replace 250W mercury or HPS and 315 for 400W mercury or HPS.Would be better to redo the fixtures this way than replace them with underperforming LED lights that we don't know how long they last or cause bad glare.The CMH Philips retrofits are worth a try.Might be less expensive as well.Those LED lights might be better if a diffuser lens was put on them.That could cut back the glare.
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Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Author: tolivac
What is the wattage of the LED replacement lights?
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Jul 23, 2018 at 10:40 PM Author: High Intensity

What is the wattage of the LED replacement lights?

I think he said all of them are 30w LEDs.

Old lighting is, and will always be, the best lighting.

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Jul 24, 2018 at 06:51 AM Author: kai

30w LED at intersections? Geez.

Going from one extreme into another... Is any real planning being done in such cases or do they just purchase something?

Any kind of retrofit is of course no option when the action is triggered by the power bills (not exactly a surprise when anything was 250 or 400 watts before). By the way, here in Europe HPS retrofits have been banned together with MV, because their efficiacy is insufficient, too. I never found the concept really convincing anyway.
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Feb 27, 2019 at 10:40 PM Author: Lumex120
Crazy idea, but since it sounds like your town has real issues with maintaining roadway lighting, maybe you could try to help somehow? I'm guessing the reason they are doing things like installing eBay lights is because nobody is directly in charge of maintaining lights on the city council. (or if there is someone, they know next to nothing about streetlighting.) Since you are already an electrician and quite knowledgeable about lighting, you could maybe try finding out if they want someone more "professional" in charge of lighting. I'm also guessing the reason they relamped that one light with a used lamp is because someone who knows next to nothing about lighting was told to go fix the streetlight , so they just found a used lamp laying on a shelf somewhere in a city garage and just used that.

Also, I know what those "economically depressed" towns are like. The town in Nebraska where we lived for a while until I was like 8 or 9 has a population of around 1,000. It used to be really nice, lots of "mom-and-pop" stores, everyone was very friendly, and there was almost no crime issues. They also had (in fact they still have) almost entirely MV streetlighting, mostly 250w M250's but a few other ones mixed in, including 250w PSMH 125's as spot replacements. The lights are maintained by the city council, and they still do a great job at it. I was there again last summer visiting family). Sadly, the town isn't the same as it used to be. A Walmart store opened in the town next to it, along with a bunch of other big chain businesses. Over the next few years basically every small business had to close. As of last summer, they don't even have their own grocery store anymore since it had to close due to a lack of business. They also can't really afford to maintain their roads very well now, they really need to be resurfaced in lots of areas. The main street is also quite desolate now, only like 2 or 3 businesses are still open. As of now they still maintain their mercury streetlights well, but I have a bad feeling they are going to have to stop using the MV lights since they easily have a few hundred, and with the financial issues they seem to be having now I can't imagine they are going to be able to afford the power costs soon. It's really sad to see how much it's changed since I lived there about 8 years ago.

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Feb 27, 2019 at 11:50 PM Author: RyanF40T12
it's too late. They've already made up their minds and ordered, payed for, and are installing them. Too bad. They should have gone with the Philips Road Focus.

The more you hate the LED movement, the stronger it becomes.

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Feb 28, 2019 at 06:41 AM Author: lightinglover8902

it's too late. They've already made up their minds and ordered, payed for, and are installing them. Too bad. They should have gone with the Philips Road Focus.



Yep, not as ugly as these cheap ebay glary LED street lights that go bad in a few months.

Save the Cooper OVWs!! Don't them down by crap LED fixtures!!!

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Feb 28, 2019 at 06:51 AM Author: High Intensity
At least the parts in these things are somewhat "standard" (as in, you can buy a 30w LED + Driver on eBay for under 5 dollars).

Old lighting is, and will always be, the best lighting.

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Feb 28, 2019 at 06:55 AM Author: lightinglover8902
You can also change out the LED for a orange, or any colored LED.

Save the Cooper OVWs!! Don't them down by crap LED fixtures!!!

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Feb 28, 2019 at 09:34 AM Author: Prismatic
In Austria Vienna there is currently a massive replacement for the old fluorescent lantern ongoing and they will all be soon gone...
https://www.wien.gv.at/video/1426/Neues-Licht-fuer-die-Stadt

Thats sad but the new lantern seem to be from very good built quality and also the light quality is very good. They also don't glare.
The first lanterns were installed 2 years ago and they sill work like new.

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Feb 28, 2019 at 10:35 AM Author: BlueHalide
Lumex120, thats a good idea, however I know for a fact they do not have any department/staff for urban planning/development etc. Just a public works dept which is still using bucket trucks from the late 80's/early 90's. If you come here its immediately obvious there is no money, the roads are in terrible shape and only get worse with each winter, the infrastructure as a whole is antiquated and falling apart, they perform shoddy quick-fixes like these cheap lights above (which are already beginning to fail). The one and only reason for the cheap ebay lights is cost, if the city had more money they'd probably installing something at least brand name.

The town here actually has a decent population of 26,000 however a huge percentage of that is impoverished, the median income here is something like $24,000. This town is the quintessential "rust belt" town where everyone lost their jobs in the 90's and early 2000's due to TPP and NAFTA, we had a strong manufacturing base with low unemployment and a strong middle class until all the corporations here packed up and moved production overseas. Today, all of the retail is pretty much gone, ive heard walmart isnt even doing well here. The retail spaces that were once filled with mom-and-pop shops are now occupied by bars, video poker places, payday lenders, and thrift stores. We have three dollar stores here that are doing really well, if thats not a sign.
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Led. Bankrupting America.

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Led. Bankrupting America.

Keep government out of the lighting industry.

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