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Manufacturer:GE
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Lamp Type:Metal Halide
Base:MED
Service Life:5000 hrs
Electrical
Wattage:55w
Voltage:120v
Optical
Lumen Output:i think about 2000 lumens
Color Temperature:3200K
Color Rendering Index:80+
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Dimensions:5" roughly
Factory Location:Nela Park, Ohio
Fabrication Date:1982

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Sep 17, 2015 at 08:00 PM Author: Solanaceae
GE Halarc?

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Sep 17, 2015 at 08:06 PM Author: Lumex120
Oh my... IT'S A GE HALARC! Where on earth did you get this!?

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Sep 17, 2015 at 08:12 PM Author: Solanaceae
IKR?!?! It's a lush little thing for sure. To be fair, I saw this on Dave's Facebook page.

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Sep 17, 2015 at 08:13 PM Author: Silverliner
Korrect it's the Halarc Maxi-Miser. Ain't saying where I found this

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Sep 17, 2015 at 09:40 PM Author: funkybulb
Let say u max bet this slot machine and u hit jack pot of lamps😝

No LED gadgets, spins too slowly.  Gotta  love preheat and MV. let the lights keep my meter spinning.

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Sep 17, 2015 at 09:46 PM Author: Solanaceae
It's a nice lamp, I tell Ya hwut.

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Sep 17, 2015 at 10:27 PM Author: Silverliner
I've lit this sucker up, beautiful light. Better than CFLs and LEDs in my opinion. Metal Halide tech can be amazing when you get the chemistry right.

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Sep 17, 2015 at 10:37 PM Author: tolivac
I would think with improved technology today over 1982-these lights should make a comeback.Beleive why they didn't catch on is AM radio stations complained to the FCC that these lights caused severe RFI on the AM band.Can you try the lamp and see if it does indeed interfere with the AM band?I would love to see these bulbs become available-alternative to CFL and LED.
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Sep 17, 2015 at 10:48 PM Author: Silverliner
Interesting theory, I'll check into that. I just thought they were too expensive and cumbersome to use for most residential users, so the CFL won over. The CMH integrated PARs used today, however, are similar to the Halarc in some ways.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 01:20 AM Author: DetroitTwoStroke
Nice collection piece!
I agree that metal halide technology, especially ceramic MH, can produce great quality light.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 01:57 AM Author: jercar954
If it didn't have the GE "meatball," then I would wonder if Westinghouse made Eye Saving CFLs.

Preheat and T-12 fluorescents forever! Down with LED's and instant start T-8 fluorescents.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 03:48 AM Author: Flurofan96
This is awesome!!! I can imagine using this for my computer room if I want a crisp white light

This should go back into production

I will give LEDisease a taste of my shoe

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:08 AM Author: dor123
This lamp was very expensive and was limited to vertical base-down as its arctube is DC, so it is limited to table lamps and chandeliers with base-down sockets.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

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Sep 18, 2015 at 05:25 AM Author: rjluna2
Nice find, Dave

I wondered how it looks like in a hot restrike?

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 05:28 AM Author: dor123
The filament remains on during the hot restrike.

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I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

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Sep 18, 2015 at 07:14 AM Author: ace100w120v
Interesting lamp! Does it have 60Hz flicker?

And yeah, I'd be curious to see if it interferes with AM (And FM!) radio.
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Sep 18, 2015 at 10:20 AM Author: Lumex120
It probably wouldn't have a 60hz flicker, because it is run on DC. It would be a dream come true if they made self- ballasted CMH lamps in a19 or torpedo shapes. They might only be a luxury item, but it sure would be nice!

Also, is the lamp a probe-start MH? I assume it is pulse start because of how small it is, but on Lamptech.cocuk, they had a X-ray of one and it appeared to have a starting probe...

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Sep 18, 2015 at 11:13 AM Author: dor123
DC alone don't prevent flickering.
This lamp have an electronic ignitor in the base.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 01:17 PM Author: Silverliner
Yes, it does have 120hz flicker but not as bad as a conventional HID lamp on a magnetic ballast. The arc tube is actually DC! It has an anode at one end and a cathode at the other end. It is the same exact arc tube found in GE's 32w MH lamp. The filament is there to provide light during warm up and during restriking.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 01:58 PM Author: Lumex120
what would you say the color is equal to? cool white fluorescent?

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Sep 18, 2015 at 02:20 PM Author: Silverliner
Typical of a 3200K metal halide lamp, warm and pleasant.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 02:35 PM Author: Lumex120
What did you say about a 32w MH lamp? I googled it, and they have an ED 17 shape. Do they run as "energy saver" lamps or something? Also, what kind of gear do they run off of? Electronic or magnetic?

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I think he said 3200k, which is the color temperature.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 03:02 PM Author: Silverliner
The only information I have right now is that the 32w Halarc operates on a GE approved ballast, it doesn't have an ANSI designation. The lamp still operates on DC, so it is indeed a special type, not your typical ballast. If you have not yet seen this, here is info on James' website:

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Spec%20Sheets/D%20MHQ%20GE%20MXR32.htm

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Sep 18, 2015 at 03:03 PM Author: Silverliner
Yep, you guys need to read the light information more!

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Sep 18, 2015 at 03:42 PM Author: socketgeek63
Awesome find Dave! Be nice if these got put back into production with some ballast improvements, only remember seeing this bulb in magazine ads from that time.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 03:52 PM Author: streetlight98
Nice! never knew such a thing was made! Very interesting for sure!

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Sep 18, 2015 at 03:56 PM Author: socketgeek63
I'm now wondering what one would cost per bulb in 1982 dollars and today's equivalent.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:07 PM Author: Lumex120
how much did it cost in 1982 dollars? I have sucessfully ran 20w CMH lamps on 20w IS ballasts from twisty CFL's, but they turn very green and bright after a few minutes, making me think they are overdriven. Also, if they have to restrike, they take out the ballast with a show of sparks and stinky smoke. They probably could make these at a similar price to CFL's with a proper ballast and restrike protection (quartz restrike maybe?)

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:13 PM Author: Silverliner
According to James' site, it would have cost $15 in 1981 when it first came out. In 2015 it would be a whopping $39.33. Compact fluorescents in the early 80s cost about $15 new also, but they were easier to use.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:15 PM Author: Silverliner
O BTW, I did crazy experiments also! I ran a Phileeps Alto 50w HPS lamp on a 1000w mercury ballast. It turned orange, then white, then green, and it turned into a mini time bomb as the arc tube blew to pieces and nicked the outer glass!

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:15 PM Author: Lumex120
$39.99 isn't that much for what this is. I was expecting something like $120.

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Thanks Dave That is quite a bit for one back then, I almost thought even higher.

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About the time bomb HPS: How about 70w HPS on 1.5kw HPS ballast? (They do exist, but they are for grow lights)

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:17 PM Author: Silverliner
True, and that is cheaper than the CMH PAR retrofit lamps used today but these are quickly falling out of favor thanks to LED.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:18 PM Author: Lumex120
I really need to try and get a Par38 CMH soon. Something tells me the stupid bulb bans will ban MH next...

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:18 PM Author: Silverliner
@zarlog how about a 15w CMH on a 1500w MH ballast? I've run preheat T8 fluorescents on the 1kw merc ballast. How about cool white turned into a daylight?!

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:21 PM Author: Silverliner
They have em on the bay. I plan to get 1-2 soonish. By the way I acquired a 230v version of the Philips CMH PAR38 lamp for use in 230v countries, but they are rare because there are not many PAR fixtures in use overseas for indoor lighting. It's mostly MR16 and compact tubular MH track lighting.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 04:22 PM Author: Lumex120
Might work. That is, if you could get it to start.
What do 15w CMH lamps look like? I have heard of them but googling it returns nothing.

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Here ya go:

https://assets.sylvania.com/assets/Documents/HID060_POWERBALL%20TF.f1b814df-b752-43cb-8b3e-30f4aa29b8be.pdf

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Sep 18, 2015 at 05:56 PM Author: themaritimegirl
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Sep 18, 2015 at 06:14 PM Author: Silverliner
I heard the Halarc Maxi-Miser lamp is so rare that even many of GE's engineers could not obtain one. I have two mutual friends who knows a retired GE engineer who assisted in developing this lamp, and he doesn't even have one!

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https://books.google.com/books?id=EpSrYt9lFLMC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq

The November 1983 Popular Science "Folded Fluorescents" article; Pg-22 to Pg-26 (ends with the remote-ballasted Thorn 2D) mostly deals with compact fluorescent lamps but also shows the GE Maxi-Light and makes a mention of something similar by Sylvania-GTE that was under development at the time .

(Also note the Osram Centralux which has the "open tube" construction similar to the Hitachi-Yorkville)
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Sep 18, 2015 at 08:07 PM Author: streetlight98
$39.99 isn't much but you gotta remember, this thing is only rated for 5000 hours (according to the description) so although modern PAR SBMH lamps are more expensive, they're rated to last longer too.

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Sep 18, 2015 at 08:21 PM Author: ricksbulbs
Dave---I KNOW you are going to send that Halarc to ME, right? Yeah, I know----FAT FREAKING CHANCE, RICK! Yeah, so go ahead, and HOARD your Halarc, see if I care, I'll just be crying like a baby for 3 months straight, so THERE! When I got a "sneak preview" of this thing about a week ago, I just went " "! The GE engineer that never got one of these and worked at GE developing this is at The Edison Tech center, I know him well! In fact, he gives me my gas moolah to go to ETC! He also developed the ignitor for HPS lamps. (with others) Guys---don't go crazy---but I have a NOS, never fired GE 32 watt Halarc ED-17 diffuse coated lamp and a ballast! I had about 10 of those ballasts, all working, but threw them in the scrap. They are all 277 volts, but I can run mine on a nifty spiffy little Advance 277-120 volt autotransformer for quartz standby lamps in HID fixtures, so nah---nah---nana---na! Never knew the Halarc 32 ran on DC though! The old Latham Circle Mall had these under the soffits at the second level where the movie theaters once resided, they let all the lamps fail and there were extra good low hour GE electronic ballasts for them in a storage room, and that lonely ONE NOS lamp in another storeroom, which I ended up with by asking my boss. You could still readily get lamps back in 2001-03 when I worked there, not sure if they are even still made! I scrapped the extra ballasts and kept 2 I think, one as a spare. Never used either, someday I need to light that thing up! The electronic GE ballasts are huge---like the size of an F96T12 ballast but longer if I remember. They are robust---we left dead lamps in the fixtures for about 8 years, and when the mall DID get new lamps, at my prodding, every single one fired up! These little buggers don't last all that long though. And they blacken and lose light output somewhat rapidly due to the tiny arc tube. Cool lamps though----now Dave has to send me THIS lamp---PRETTY PLEASE WITH A CHERRY ON TOP?????!!! Nah, ain't gonna work----RATS--Foiled again, Batman! Cheers all and Dave--put this thing in a freaking fireproof safe at Fort Knox, please! Rick "C-6" Delair!
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Sep 18, 2015 at 08:32 PM Author: don93s
I recognized the shape of that lamp immediately! When I was in 6th grade, my mom bought me a Elementary Electronics magazine in either '80 or '81...and it had a special article on new lighting ideas being experimented by the big companies. This GE Halarc was one of the ones I was definitely fascinated with, as by that time, I was really intrigued with discharge lamps. I had just learned about mercury vapor too.

If I ever find that magazine, I'll post a pic from the article.
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Sep 18, 2015 at 08:34 PM Author: Solanaceae
Y u scrap working ballast?

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Sep 18, 2015 at 09:16 PM Author: Lumex120
About the 32w MH... Is this real?
http://www.lightbulbandballastsupply.com/32wmetalhalideballast.aspx

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Sep 18, 2015 at 09:21 PM Author: ace100w120v
Interesting! I've heard of these before too.
What's the EOL behavior like? Anyone know? (Not that any lighting enthusiast would want to use one of these until EOL to find out).

Although cool, I can totally see why stuff like the COMPAX preheat CFL won out over these.
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Sep 18, 2015 at 09:28 PM Author: Lumex120
The filament is probably the first to go out. If that doest do it, then the arctube might explode. If that doesnt happen, most likely the electronics in the base will go out with a bang...

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Sep 19, 2015 at 07:17 AM Author: toomanybulbs
a friends dad in the 80's showed me one and told me only a few hundred were made due to cost that prevented them from being profitable.
i missed one by mere seconds at turtle creek flea market in the 90's.
and now since many were used till eol few remain.
a rare bird indeed.
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Sep 19, 2015 at 07:34 AM Author: streetlight98
I'd assume the filament fails long before anything else.

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Sep 19, 2015 at 07:50 AM Author: dor123
I never knew that the GE Halarc 32W is also DC like the self-ballasted Halarc Miser Maxi-Light.

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Sep 19, 2015 at 07:00 PM Author: Silverliner
I'm going to have to be honest with you guys. Everyday I find myself going deeper and deeper into shock from actually having this lamp in my hands! Did not realize how rare this is really. I'll keep it safe! But I still want to locate a mid 1880s Edison bulb with good vacuum and intact filament. It'll happen someday.

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Sep 19, 2015 at 07:05 PM Author: Solanaceae
I didn't know that this lamp was rare either. Where'd you get it, Dave the Silverliner?

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Sep 19, 2015 at 07:07 PM Author: Silverliner
Not saying it, dude.

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Sep 19, 2015 at 07:09 PM Author: Solanaceae
Message it to me.

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Sep 19, 2015 at 08:30 PM Author: joseph_125
Excellent find Dave!
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Sep 27, 2015 at 10:04 AM Author: chrislights
What a lucky find Dave!

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Sep 27, 2015 at 11:03 AM Author: Solanaceae
It would be awesome if someone could take up sciencing and replicate a few hundred copies.

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Sep 27, 2015 at 11:54 AM Author: ace100w120v
But they'd be stealing the patent!
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Sep 27, 2015 at 11:56 AM Author: Solanaceae
Shhhhhhhhhhhh...

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Sep 27, 2015 at 12:05 PM Author: socketgeek63
And then the other maker who wants to redo one would have to put up big money (millions) to buy the patent rights from GE if they are willing to sell the rights.

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Sep 27, 2015 at 12:13 PM Author: Silverliner
Still would not be authentic.

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Sep 27, 2015 at 01:01 PM Author: xmaslightguy
Interesting & cool find.
Never knew such a thing existed.

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Sep 27, 2015 at 01:21 PM Author: Medved
The patent exclusivity protection should already have expired (maximum is 20 years...), so patents should not be the problem. I even doubt they were ever maintained that long either - it is quite costly business for something that even the one owning the rights wasn't able to really push on the market. Other thing is, you need quite big pack of expertise and equipment to manufacture this (patent information alone won't suffice at all to really make a single working one).
So the only question is, whether anyone is really willing to invest into production of these. And because there is no other market than just a few enthusiast, I'm afraid it won't be enough to justify the cost at least in the 100k$ range to re-develop it and prepare the production...

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Sep 27, 2015 at 02:57 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
I would have never guessed this was metal halide! , very cool. Would love to see these produced and offered to the public. How is the start and run up , does it go through the typical colours of a conventional MH ?
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Sep 27, 2015 at 03:09 PM Author: James
Well done for rescuing another of these ultra-rare lamps Dave!

Philips did redevelop it in ceramic version, 20W rated, with full electronic ballast and A21 bulb in about 2010. But the performance was quite poor, so they sold it only in China where high wattage CFLs are popular, as a longer life alternative with better colour rendering. It was withdrawn from sale quite quickly. I bought half a dozen at the time and put all on lifetest and quickly found why it wasn't more widely released - all of them were dead within about 4000 hours! See http://philips.gesep.com/ProductShow-649758.html
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Sep 27, 2015 at 03:14 PM Author: Lumex120
@James do you still have them? I would like to see the insides...

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Sep 27, 2015 at 03:45 PM Author: Silverliner
Yeah I would like to see samples of these also. BTW James, I also got one of the rare 230V versions of the Philips CDM Integrated PAR38 lamps. Will upload a pic later on.

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Oct 23, 2015 at 11:29 PM Author: Globe Collector
I have a pretty good idea of the source of this lamp....but I keep my mouth shut!

When they are this rare it is possible to then know where most of them are.

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Oct 23, 2015 at 11:59 PM Author: themaritimegirl
It's already been said multiple times in this comment thread.

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