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Cheap H3 HID kit.

Cheap H3 HID kit.

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El-cheapo Chinky-Chonky H3 HID kit.

The cheapest HID Kit I could find on ebay. Wanted to have a play before dropping some money on a proper kit.

My motorbike has projector headlights but still uses an H3 55w lamp for the dipped beam so I thought I'd try out a HID kit. Naturally I went for the cheapest option!
I wonder how long these will last? Not long I reckon but at least the kit is for a car so I have one spare!

Brightness seems more but it's hard to tell with the massive colour difference! Certainly makes me stand out more during the day and night which was sort of the purpose. Doesn't glare any more than the halogen either.

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Manufacturer:Sun Woif
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Service Life:3000h
Electrical
Wattage:35w
Voltage:13.2v
Current:3.6a
Optical
Lumen Output:3200lm (allegedly!)
Color Temperature:6000k

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Jan 07, 2016 at 06:51 AM Author: Danny
Got a couple of these myself. Mine are near 17.000K
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Feb 18, 2016 at 09:35 PM Author: lights*plus
At 6000K they shouldn't be too odd..but 17,000K, now that would be obviously blue. Danny do you have a pic of the headlamp? (You probably have a thousand gallery pics )
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Feb 19, 2016 at 12:23 AM Author: Medved
Beside being road illegal, I see immediately two problems:
1) Many H3 lanterns use retention clip and back cover assembly counting on the very short length of the bulb at the back side (the feed wire going sidewise), while the MH has long assmebly going straight back. So I would not be surprised it just would not fit.
Plus the H3 is very short in front of the filament, the MH is way longer in that direction as well, so quite likely colliding with some other parts of the light assembly.
2) The lamp is "pre-outfocussed". The distance from the mounting plate to the light source center is about half inch longer on the MH.

And other problems are there as well:
- The H3 optics is designed to utilize the light just from a small cylinder of about 1mm diameter, 3mm long, placed transversely. The arc is in the axis, so the optics will utilize for the designed beam just very small section of it.
- The arc is bowing upwards, so in the place where the optic "picking up" the light is just the edge of the arc.
- The light emission actually happens around the focal place, so althopugh the projector optics will make a sharp cut out line, that is all what will come right from it.

So at the end even when the MH bulb may give 3x more light than the H3 bulb when naked, in the designed beam will be barely 1/4 of the light compared to the H3.
The beam will just shine everywhere (mainly overilluminate very close in front of the vehicle), but where the light is really needed, making the visibility even way worse.

So the only advantage over the halogen I see in the light color (for someone, who prefer the colder light output), but even there just a blue coated halogen capsule (although still illegal) will perform way better than this...


To get an MH at least somehow compatible with H3, you will need the single ended "CSI-like" format. But that means the lead wires go in very close to each other, so most likely would not allow hot restrike...

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Feb 19, 2016 at 12:55 AM Author: lights*plus
If you can see the car with the poorly glaring headlamps, it's often some young driver that has put in "cool" blue 10,000K xenon-fired lamps with a bad & misaligned fitting. The correct fit always seem to have a distinct terminator in the top part of the beam. It's like with anything that can be sold for a profit - "you want it, I can get it for you".
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Feb 19, 2016 at 03:59 AM Author: FrontSideBus
1) It does fit.
2) The distance from the centre of the arc to the cap is exactly the same as the distance from the filament to the cap.
3) After a lot of night riding, I can say the beam is a lot brighter than the halogen and doesn't "shine anywhere", one of my original complaints about projector headlights is that they are "too good" with hardly any light going outside the main beam and that means I'm using full beam more on unlit roads.
As for legality, I know plenty of people using these and they get through the UK MOT roadworthness test no problem.

Anyway, I don't really care if they are the same brightness as halogen, the whole point was to get a different colour of light that makes me stand out in traffic and so that brain dead idiot car drivers might have a better chance of noticing me. I've already nearly been killed by some knob who pulled out of a junction. In fact my old bike was better in that respect as its reflector headlights put its light all over the shop and glared like a bastard

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Apr 29, 2017 at 02:06 PM Author: FrontSideBus
Well this lasted longer than I expected. Ballast was fine but the arc tube deformed and cracked near the lead wire. Noticed it dim and start to flicker in the week up to the failure.

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Apr 29, 2017 at 02:23 PM Author: Beta 5
Can you get replacement lamps?
One thing I wonder about my HID torch, is if I can get spare bulbs still or not.
Sadly LED has killed off a lot of HID torches etc, though I assume HID headlights are still fairly common.

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Apr 29, 2017 at 03:10 PM Author: FrontSideBus
Well it was a pair so I'm good. Wonder if being about a foot away from an engine that can reach 12,000rpm has any effect on the lifetime!

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Apr 29, 2017 at 04:00 PM Author: Beta 5
That's good then

Yeah, the vibrations may have weakened the arc tube or something.

it would be interesting to see how the life of an in service version with the shocks and vibrations of a vehicle, compares to one being run in test conditions with nothing happening around it.

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Aug 24, 2017 at 08:26 PM Author: Mercurylamps
I have a LED light bar on one of my cars for night time driving however I'm upgrading to a newer car soon and going to upgrade to HID driving lights. I've had someone here tell me not to use them in traffic which I obviously don't since they are hooked up to the high beam circuit.

I live in a fairly rural area where kangaroos jump out occasionally and normal high beams don't cut the mustard so driving lights are a good idea. Many cars around here have them for safety. Plus HID lamps are awesome.
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Aug 24, 2017 at 08:58 PM Author: Lodge

I have a LED light bar on one of my cars for night time driving however I'm upgrading to a newer car soon and going to upgrade to HID driving lights. I've had someone here tell me not to use them in traffic which I obviously don't since they are hooked up to the high beam circuit.

I live in a fairly rural area where kangaroos jump out occasionally and normal high beams don't cut the mustard so driving lights are a good idea. Many cars around here have them for safety. Plus HID lamps are awesome.


Just get a bull / roo bar in the front of your car, and it'll serve two purposes, one allow you to run them over and not take out the front end two then you can mount lots of bunny burners to it so you can see them coming miles away, the 100 watt HID's are bright..Are they like deer and just stand there in the lights waiting for you to run them over or do they at least try to get out of the way ?




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Aug 24, 2017 at 09:50 PM Author:
Nice

Of these aftermarket kits to the best are the brand Yeaky and Morimoto, which are similar to Philips and Osram. Too bad the cost is almost similar to a genuine HID system
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Aug 25, 2017 at 05:02 AM Author: Mercurylamps

Just get a bull / roo bar in the front of your car, and it'll serve two purposes, one allow you to run them over and not take out the front end two then you can mount lots of bunny burners to it so you can see them coming miles away, the 100 watt HID's are bright..Are they like deer and just stand there in the lights waiting for you to run them over or do they at least try to get out of the way ?



Some of them just stand in your way like one time when I borrowed my cousin's Toyota Landcruiser I had one hop out in front of me then stop in the middle of the road. Fortunately the brakes worked very well and was able to stop without incident. A bull/roo bar is a definite must for my next car with the driving lights attached. Fortunately driving lights themselves are legal here as long as they are connected to the high beam circuit so they go on or off with the high beams.
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