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MY FIRST HID FIXTURE!!!!

MY FIRST HID FIXTURE!!!!

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Well finally, my first HID fixture! Brought it at the ReStore $48, because I couldn't pass it up. The outer housing of the fixture is in good condition, and the refractor is not cracked. However on the inside, theres a burnt mark on the reflector where I think the lamp arced on its base, but I tested the socket it wasn't shorted out together surprisingly... So it needs a 150w PSMH bulb in order to operate this fixture. But although, I might convert it to 100w PSMH which is possible, since the ballast in this fixture might be operational? Plus I always like the look of these wall packs.

The ballast is a Pacific Ballast 150W PSMH HPF multi-volt Ballast with igniter and 16uF capacitor. Plus its already wired for 120V. So it needs a bulb and a cord to work.

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Light Information

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Manufacturer:Lithonia
Model Reference:TWR1
Lamp
Lamp Type:PSMH M102/M142
Fixture
Fixture Type:Wall Pack
Ballast Type:Magnetic HPF
Socket Type:medium
Photocell Type:N/A
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Wattage:150w
Voltage:120/208/240/277v

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Jul 26, 2020 at 06:58 PM Author: Bulbman256
I think if u disable the ingitor u can get a 175w mv wallpack

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Jul 26, 2020 at 07:04 PM Author: lightinglover8902

I think if u disable the ingitor u can get a 175w mv wallpack


Yeah, but its only limited to 150W though...

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Jul 26, 2020 at 07:31 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Congrats on your first HID fixture!

I'm sorry to say, but you overpayed at $48 for this used light. But it's your first, so not going to judge.

Hope you can get it up and running!

Good quality things are awesome. Cheaply made things are not.

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Jul 26, 2020 at 07:31 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux
Just buy a 150W/C102 CMH lamp...they're readily available on eBay.

Proudy suffering from "Westinghouse Lifeguard Disease" since 1977! :lol:
There's no known cure for Westinghouse Lifeguard disease, so the only way to treat it is to find more!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jul 26, 2020 at 07:34 PM Author: lightinglover8902

Congrats on your first HID fixture!

I'm sorry to say, but you overpayed at $48 for this used light. But it's your first, so not going to judge.

Hope you can get it up and running!


Thanks, I know its a bit too much in price, but I couldn't pass it up though. But I'm planning on (maybe) replacing the ballast with a 100W PSMH ballast.


Just buy a 150W/M102 CMH lamp...they're readily available on eBay.


This will work with a CMH lamp?

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Jul 26, 2020 at 07:40 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux

This will work with a CMH lamp?


Yes, and they perform much better than a QMH could ever do. I've done this many times with great results.

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Jul 26, 2020 at 07:43 PM Author: HPSMVF

Yes, and they perform much better than a QMH could ever do. I've done this many times with great results.

I have a 70-watt ceramic metal halide lamp could I run it on a quartz metal halide ballast? The ceramic metal halide lamp is a nice old vintage American-made lamp.

I am 12 years old and I love to collect lights.

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Jul 26, 2020 at 07:44 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Yes you can.

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Jul 26, 2020 at 08:28 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux

I have a 70-watt ceramic metal halide lamp could I run it on a quartz metal halide ballast? The ceramic metal halide lamp is a nice old vintage American-made lamp.


Yep, and the lighting quality will far outpace the QMH lamp...especially if they're Chinese made.

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Jul 26, 2020 at 11:49 PM Author: vintagefluorescent
Congratulations!! I share Youโ€™re joy - I love these lights ๐Ÿ‘

Just wait until You get Youre 1st vintage Hubble and remote ballasted f-series Wide lights !You ainโ€™t seen nothing Yet ! Congratulations ๐ŸŽŠ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿพ!
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Jul 27, 2020 at 08:24 AM Author: lightinglover8902

Congratulations!! I share Youโ€™re joy - I love these lights ๐Ÿ‘

Just wait until You get Youre 1st vintage Hubble and remote ballasted f-series Wide lights !You ainโ€™t seen nothing Yet ! Congratulations ๐ŸŽŠ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿพ!


Thanks! Not sure if I would probably get a Wide Lite F-Series flood light, because they're pretty big as far as I can tell.

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Jul 27, 2020 at 09:01 AM Author: vintagefluorescent

Thanks! Not sure if I would probably get a Wide Lite F-Series flood light, because they're pretty big as far as I can tell.


Youโ€™re Right - Remote ballasted F - Series Widelites are big but they display perfectly in a corner - Wait till You find one and You will find one You will enjoy having one believe me ๐Ÿ˜Ž!
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Jul 27, 2020 at 02:51 PM Author: lightinglover8902

Youโ€™re Right - Remote ballasted F - Series Widelites are big but they display perfectly in a corner - Wait till You find one and You will find one You will enjoy having one believe me ๐Ÿ˜Ž!


To be honest, my parents won't let me have large things in the house, so it might not happen. But I'll see...

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Jul 27, 2020 at 04:34 PM Author: vintagefluorescent
You might have to consider what I did - I would bring
My lights up into the attic for safe keeping and out of the way - Path - Put down some plywood- This worked ,

Donโ€™t want to get You into trouble though .

May all Youโ€™re lighting dreams come true ๐Ÿ‘!
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Sep 18, 2020 at 01:55 PM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
This fixture is also large enough to fit an S56 HPS bulb in it.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 05:58 PM Author: lightinglover8902

This fixture is also large enough to fit an S56 HPS bulb in it.


Yeah it can, if its HPS. This one is only for PSMH M102 (QMH) and a C102 (CMH) lamps, because the ballast is pulse start metal halide.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 05:59 PM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Actually M102 PSMH lamps are electrically interchangeable with S56 HPS lamps. As a result, the lamp and ballast will be unharmed.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 06:01 PM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Numerous members on lighting gallery have had no problems running S56 HPS lamps on M102 PSMH ballasts.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 06:08 PM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Both M102 PSMH bulbs and S56 HPS bulbs run at 100v and 1.8a is why these bulbs are interchangeable with each other.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 06:22 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
Okay a few things.

- Nice find and $48 is not bad, my restore is likely to charge more for the same fixture ever since they moved into a warehouse in the not so nice part of town.

- In a pinch you can use a 175 MV lamp. Remove the ignitors com wire from power source and cap it off. This will disable the ignitor. The 175 MV is rated at slightly lower current than the 150w MH so it balances out enough for the lamp to run within range.

- You can run the S56 HPS on this as those are 100v and are within the ballasts running voltage range like the MH. It's only a no no to use the S55 on it as they are 55w and will overheat the ballast and likely cycle.

You can find the proper lamps on ebay. If you plan to put this in service someday it would be good to pick up a case of at least 6 lamps to see it through the fixtures useful life

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Sep 18, 2020 at 07:13 PM Author: lightinglover8902

Numerous members on lighting gallery have had no problems running S56 HPS lamps on M102 PSMH ballasts.



Both M102 PSMH bulbs and S56 HPS bulbs run at 100v and 1.8a is why these bulbs are interchangeable with each other.



I haven't tried that, but I don't want to risk damaging the fixture. But I'll experiment that.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 07:48 PM Author: lightinglover8902


- In a pinch you can use a 175 MV lamp. Remove the ignitors com wire from power source and cap it off. This will disable the ignitor. The 175 MV is rated at slightly lower current than the 150w MH so it balances out enough for the lamp to run within range.



Then I have to change the socket to a mogul base, or buy a medium to mogul adapter. Which I don't think a medium to mogul adapter and a 175w MV together won't fit...

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Sep 18, 2020 at 09:07 PM Author: joseph_125
There were S56 HPS cobraheads that were actually equipped with M102 electronic ballasts from the factory. A few members here have these NYC spec Cooper 150w S56 HPS lights that had 150w PSMH electronic ballasts in them.

As for 175w MV, I believe a medium base cram 175w MV lamp existed at one point but is super rare to find and I think none of the Big 3 ever made such a lamp. These wallpacks are pretty easy to convert to mogul though, the socket bracket should have a second set of tapped holes for a mogul lampholder.
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Sep 18, 2020 at 09:32 PM Author: lightinglover8902
So, where I can find S56 150w HPS lamps? Because I'm curious now...

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Sep 18, 2020 at 09:35 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Ebay is your best bet.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 09:37 PM Author: lightinglover8902

Ebay is your best bet.


What about ReStores? I might have luck finding one there, as well with 150w PSMH lamps.

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Sep 18, 2020 at 09:54 PM Author: joseph_125
I think I saw one years ago at a hardware store. In hindsight I really should have bought but I passed on it not knowing that you can run them on 150w PSMH gear at the time.
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Sep 18, 2020 at 09:56 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
ReStores are good too but it could be a very long time before you find one. On Ebay I've seen quite a few every time I look for them to see if there's any listing for them.

150w PSMH lamps can also show up more likely but I still haven't found a quartz one yet, despite finding a coated 150w CMH E26 lamp first.

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