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50 watt HPS wall sconce, anyone?

50 watt HPS wall sconce, anyone?

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I had to do this one too. I still have to do the 50 watt mercury vapor, which might actually be a good acceptable brightness, but this one was too bright and too orange for indoors.

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Nov 09, 2019 at 11:43 AM Author: sox35
It's not too bright and orange for indoors at all..! HPS is a lovely light, once we get the floor stand for our Beta 5 SOX fitting fabricated, we'll probably put a Beta 79 with a 70W HPS in it on there sometimes as well

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Nov 09, 2019 at 12:00 PM Author: Fluorescent05

It's not too bright and orange for indoors at all..! HPS is a lovely light, once we get the floor stand for our Beta 5 SOX fitting fabricated, we'll probably put a Beta 79 with a 70W HPS in it on there sometimes as well

I like it, but my parents don't unfortunately. If I were to install one indoors, I would just go to the ReStore and pick up the 2 matching 35 watt HPS wallpacks there to install in place of the 2 wall sconces in my hallway. I'd also look for a 400 watt metal halide lowbay to install in place of the chandelier. It would be a bright place.

Don't be fooLED, T8 IS the worst thing to do to a magnetic T12 fixture.

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Nov 09, 2019 at 12:14 PM Author: sox35
Ah, parents... We've all got them..! Those of us who are married have mothers in law as well, think on that when you get older

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Nov 09, 2019 at 12:50 PM Author: Fluorescent05

Ah, parents... We've all got them..! Those of us who are married have mothers in law as well, think on that when you get older

Luckily they have no control over you.

Don't be fooLED, T8 IS the worst thing to do to a magnetic T12 fixture.

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Nov 09, 2019 at 12:52 PM Author: Ash
When i lived for a short period in a rented flat near the Technion, i put a 70W SON-E/I in the ceiling pendant (just a hanging socket) - With the ballast wired to one of the connection boxes on the wall in a nearby room, through which the switch loop for this light was going. Was quite nice light actually, allthough WAY too bright (i like dim lighting, the normal light i used in that room was a 9W PL-S). I would not mind the color though

This would make great lighting for a big house with big common room
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Nov 09, 2019 at 12:53 PM Author: Fluorescent05

When i lived for a short period in a rented flat near the Technion, i put a 70W SON-E/I in the ceiling pendant (just a hanging socket) - With the ballast wired to one of the connection boxes on the wall in a nearby room, through which the switch loop for this light was going. Was quite nice light actually, allthough WAY too bright (i like dim lighting, the normal light i used in that room was a 9W PL-S). I would not mind the color though

This would make great lighting for a big house with big common room

What about the 175 watt metal halide version?

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Nov 09, 2019 at 01:06 PM Author: Ash
That too. I would be interested to see a chandelier fitted with small CMH's. The ignitors can probably be tucked throughout the chandelier structure, the ballasts would have to be remote with separate phase from each ballast, so some sort of multicore cable from a remote ballast cabinet
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Nov 09, 2019 at 02:43 PM Author: Fluorescent05

That too. I would be interested to see a chandelier fitted with small CMH's. The ignitors can probably be tucked throughout the chandelier structure, the ballasts would have to be remote with separate phase from each ballast, so some sort of multicore cable from a remote ballast cabinet

What about running in series on a higher wattage ballast with a higher voltage ignitor?

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Nov 09, 2019 at 03:28 PM Author: Ash
I think you will be up to impractically high voltages after just a few lamps. Compare that to a multicore industrial control cable which can be very thin cross section, the isolation on that is 300/500V so fairly thin as well (but suitable for the application)
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Nov 09, 2019 at 03:44 PM Author: Fluorescent05

I think you will be up to impractically high voltages after just a few lamps. Compare that to a multicore industrial control cable which can be very thin cross section, the isolation on that is 300/500V so fairly thin as well (but suitable for the application)

Don't the ignitors pulse at 4 thousand volts?

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Nov 09, 2019 at 04:21 PM Author: Ash
The ignitors are small (think something like Vossloh Schwabe Z70), so they can be tucked in the chandelier itself. The cable coming to the chandelier from the remote ballast cabinet will then only have to deal with the ballast Voc
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Nov 09, 2019 at 04:25 PM Author: Fluorescent05

The ignitors are small (think something like Vossloh Schwabe Z70), so they can be tucked in the chandelier itself. The cable coming to the chandelier from the remote ballast cabinet will then only have to deal with the ballast Voc

What about American ignitors? I live in the United States.

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Nov 09, 2019 at 04:39 PM Author: Ash
You need ignitors that generate the HV locally, not depending on the ballast. That is superimposed ignitors. If you have them its great, if you dont, European ignitors will most likely work ok with US ballasts unless the Voc is way higher than 230V
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Nov 09, 2019 at 05:26 PM Author: sol
I have a European ignitor here in Canada and it works quite nicely with a remote ballast for 70w metal halide. I purchased it on eBay. The ballast is a standard M98 magnetic HX-HPF with the ignitor removed. I forget the brand, though. Maybe Paramar ?
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Nov 09, 2019 at 05:35 PM Author: Fluorescent05

You need ignitors that generate the HV locally, not depending on the ballast. That is superimposed ignitors. If you have them its great, if you dont, European ignitors will most likely work ok with US ballasts unless the Voc is way higher than 230V

Our ignitors use another wire ( usually called the "X3" wire) to supply the ignitor with power. Our ignitors have 3 wires, lamp (X1), neutral (X2), and a tap from the ballast (X3).

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Nov 09, 2019 at 06:40 PM Author: sol
The typical ignitors here are semi parallel and require a third lead from a special tap in the ballast. They don’t work well with remote ballast setups. Search eBay for a superimposed ignitor and you’ll find some. The lamp ‘hot’ goes to one terminal , the ballast lamp ‘hot’ goes to another and both the ballast and lamp ‘neutral ‘ go to the third one. Keep the ignitor to lamp distance short and make the ballast to ignitor distance as long as you want with suitable wire gauge and it should work.
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