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Sylvania Relumina - 85W CMI Retrofit for 125W Mercury

Sylvania Relumina - 85W CMI Retrofit for 125W Mercury

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Next month, April 2015, mercury vapour lamps will be phased out in Europe due to their extremely low luminous efficacy and rapid rate of lumen depreciation through life. Unfortunately, many of the high pressure sodium retrofits are also phased out because they too are not efficient enough to meet the new European regulations. The intention of this regulation was to force consumers of mercury lamps to dispose of their old luminaires and install new lighting equipment capable of operating HID lamps that have better efficacy and lifetime performance, or completely new LED systems. This would require an extremely large capital investment, and invariably also a shift to electronic ballasts, whose reliability is not always on a par with that of the conventional control gear used in mercury lamp installations.

To provide consumers with a solution to keep their old mercury luminaires operating, but upgrade them to the higher performance of modern HID lamps in compliance with the new regulations, Sylvania engineered the 'Relumina' series of HID lamps based on impedance-modified ceramic metal halide technology. It is a progression of that company's earlier developments in impedance-modified HPS lamps that were marketed some decades ago.

At the heart of the lamp is a ceramic metal halide arc tube, which delivers the necessary high efficacy and brings with it a dramatic increase in luminous flux, lumen maintenance over life, and colour rendering properties. The lamp cost is of course higher than a mercury lamp, and to offset this and pay for itself via energy savings it was decided to set the lamp power at a lower level than the mercury lamps they replace. Owing to the electrical similarity of metal halide and mercury arcs, it is not possible to achieve energy savings by reducing lamp voltage by the same trick as with HPS retrofits for mercury lamps - this would lead to an increase in lamp current, which may damage the windings of fragile and old ballasts that are commonly found running old mercury lamps. Instead, a small inductive device is housed within the lamp base to reduce power consumption. The dimensions are set so that the whole lamp is no larger than the old mercury lamps they replace.

The net result is a new lamp which fits directly into existing mercury luminaires, achieves substantial energy savings that rapidly recover the cost of the Relumina lamp, and in parallel delivers a significant increase in both luminous flux as well as colour rendering properties.

Hopefully this will give a new lease of life to many of the old and reliable mercury-vapour lanterns still in service and keep them on our streets for many years to come!

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Manufacturer:Havells-Sylvania
Model Reference:Relumina
Lamp
Lamp Type:Ceramic MH
Base:E27
Shape/Finish:ED-54
Service Life:18,000 hours
Fixture
Ballast Type:Mercury 125W
Electrical
Wattage:85W
Voltage:90V
Current:1.2A
Optical
Lumen Output:7,500lm
Lumen Efficacy:85 lm/W
Color Temperature:3000K
Color Rendering Index:84
Physical/Production
Factory Location:Tienen, Belgium
Fabrication Date:2014
Application/Use:Streetlightin

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Mar 31, 2015 at 04:26 PM Author: sailormoon_01_uk
Interesting as it looks like a slimmer version of the old SHX-S 85w High Pressure Sodium Lamps from the 1970's/early 1980s see HERE.

I agree something will need to replace existing Mercury Lamps in exisiting installations as most cases there must be millions of Mercury Lighting installations throughout the UK and Europe, and also with the Ban on Retrofit High Pressure Sodium Lamps too, it's going to cost a fortune to replace relatively good fittings with new Electronic Systems, also I heard Magnetic Ballasts are being Banned too, to be honest I think its going to be a sad day for the Lighting industry especially in Europe with all these Lamp Bans, also with every thing being made in China, it going to cause a lot of political fallout too. between End users, Electricians and Politician's especially as the UK is no fan of the European Union.
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Mar 31, 2015 at 05:11 PM Author: Cal
This is so cool, I love things like this. Retrofit culture when done right has to be one of the least wasteful methods of moving with the time. Very detailed description as well.

Unfortunately I have a feeling these won't actually catch on but I could be mistaken.
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Mar 31, 2015 at 06:35 PM Author: rjluna2
That is shame that this existing infrastructure that last so long is being thrown out of the window due to the policy

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Mar 31, 2015 at 06:49 PM Author: don93s
Awesome idea since electronic reliability still hasn't matched that of electromagnetic. Though to be fair, lumen depreciation wasn't a huge issue with quality mercury lamps unless run well beyond rated lives which was common. However, after Philips acquired Westinghouse Lighting, the quality went not only downhill, but straight off a cliff! I've replaced 2 year old 250w Philips mercury lamps that were dimmer than a 23w CFL. Oddly, when production moved to China, the quality seemed to improve, lol.
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Mar 31, 2015 at 08:11 PM Author: dor123
I think that the EU doing this, to push consumers to LED lighting and not to electronic HID lighting, as there are almost no new developments in HID lamps today. A fact that Nakamura, Hiroshi Amano and Isamu Akasaki were awarded the 2015 nobel prize in physics, despite they aren't the inventors of the blue LED (Exactly the case with Thomas Edison as the "inventor" of the incandescent lamp, while he isn't), and that there were much more important achievements in the electric lighting field than the blue LED (Hence I think that their nobel, is more of an action of Public Relationship).
The banning of retrofits for MV lamps, means a lot of pollution caused by scrapping and replacing good old lanterns, that lasted more than any LED lanterns in history, with short life lanterns that won't last as long, as the old lanterns.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Apr 01, 2015 at 12:01 AM Author: merc
Great idea! But I'm afraid that councils will rather choose for new LED lanterns (let's the citizens know we do something and this is a clearly visible change) instead of buying rather expensive lamps to almost EOL lanterns where most people won't see any difference.

@dor123: It's not only EU "demon". There are international treaties and bans are also present in the USA, for example.
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Apr 01, 2015 at 12:29 AM Author: Medved
Well, even when the bare lamp efficacy is about the same or even higher than 50W HPS or MH, with the purpose made quality lantern the 50W will cover the same or even a bit larger area for the given minimum illumination level, just because the diffused light can not be so well controlled. That means still about half efficacy compare to the clear lamp MH/HPS system (and the LED's use to consume even half of that, given the installation is well designed and installed).

And the main problem with the MV ban this won't solve either: It is the MV reliability. The MV has quite low efficacy and degrades pretty fast (the life is practically limited by the lumen depression), you may design an MV system, build it, commission and forget about it for the next 4 years or so (and that depend only on the maximum allowed lumen depression taken into account in the design), yet you could be sure the failure rate will be way below the usual 2% limit.
And even when you exceed the designed relaming period, the only outcome is just gradually lower illumination level, but still no hard failures like cycling or dark fixtures.


With any other lighting system I know you may just forget that, you will have to do way more frequent inspection and spot repairs/relamping.

And as the maintenance is way more than 50% of the usual lighting cost (with HPS; with high reliability installations like tunnels or so even way more), I'm not surprised there is still so many MV installations even with the advertised superiority of the other systems.

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Apr 01, 2015 at 01:26 AM Author: dor123
Here in Israel, mercury installations are rare today, and common mainly in Kibbutzim and small settlments.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Apr 01, 2015 at 01:49 AM Author: eclipsislamps
People will probably stick led cobs in or CFLs like they are starting to do now.

Keeping electrodes hot and gases ionzied.

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Apr 01, 2015 at 02:44 AM Author: Medved
At home maybe (there you are going around daily and replacing the lamp is matter of few minutes), but for a larger, hard to reach installation (street lighting is like that,...) that is not possible. The maintenance would be just too expensive - these are the reliability wise worst formats, so you will have to pay the bucket truck practically daily...

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Apr 01, 2015 at 06:13 AM Author: Roi_hartmann
Ive heard that local wholesale business had problem with these as many of these were returned as DOA by customers. Interesting lamp though, I would get one myself but local dealer was asking around 80EUR per lamp.

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Apr 01, 2015 at 07:43 AM Author: dor123
At James Hooker's website , there is a stating that this lamp have an argon-neon penning gas, instead of the pure argon or the Ar+Kr85, and that this lamp have an internal glow starter.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Apr 01, 2015 at 02:26 PM Author: James
Hi Roi, bad news travels fast, concerning the first shipments to Finland that were unfortunately damaged in transit! It seems the news of the packaging redesign to solve the problem did not go equally fast though. I hope now that it will be sorted out. The price your wholesaler is charging is enormous! I guess they are taking advantage of the fact that maybe you only wanted to buy one and hike the price up. For large users like streetlighting authorities the price is so much lower that the electricity savings pay for the lamp within six months. Not even LED gives such a fast return on your investment Even though LED lanterns are of course still more efficient again, in part thanks to their greatly superior optical systems, they also cost several hundreds of euros more and take considerably longer to recup their investment cost.
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Apr 01, 2015 at 02:55 PM Author: Cal
I do cringe when people put "greatly superior optical systems" and "LED" in one sentence. I can see you know your stuff James from what you post on here, but have you ever stood under an LED lantern? I have stood under many, and all of them have a rubbish light distribution even compared to basic cloudy bowl HID lanterns. low intensity discharge - SOX and fluorescent - blows both HID and LED out of the water again when it comes to light spread.
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Apr 02, 2015 at 03:38 PM Author: James
Trencheel - I have stood under and measured the luminous intensity distribution of many LED lanterns. For the vast majority I agree with you absolutely - but the better designed ones are superb. A common feature of all is that they put out less spill light and the result of this is that a much greater percentage of their luminous flux is directed onto the road surface, with a very sharp cutoff, and less light falls on the surrounding area. That is the main reason why LED lanterns are more efficient than HID - by taking away the energy used to light the surrounding area, their efficacy improves. Trouble is that many people like the spill light from HID lanterns, which illuminate the ground far beyond the boundary of the road. Unfortunately local authorities though do not like paying for energy to light up the land beyond what is their responsibility.

So from the technical perspective I stand by my comment that LED lanterns have superior optical control. From the road-uses standpoint though, I agree with you that not everyone will like this sharper cutoff!

NB this superior optical control that is possible with LED lanterns would also enable them to match the wide beam spread that HID lanterns typically deliver. But then, since the LED system efficacy is basically about the same as a good HID system, they would no longer deliver any energy saving. And then there would be no incentive for customers to buy them! Hence the LED lantern companies capitalise on the superior optical control they can deliver, to reduce the total luminous flux they need to produce, and turn that into an energy saving.
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Apr 02, 2015 at 03:41 PM Author: Cal
Their "higher efficacy" and "superior optics" don't work in practise though on existing lamp post installations. Every LED retrofit I have seen clearly needed the lamp posts to be spaced closer together. This adds cost to the initial investment and then means you have more lanterns so the power and cost saving is less well realised. Then there's the glare, and the fact that compared to magnetic gear, the electronic drivers don't last as long as they don't fare well in outside conditions (extremes of temperature and humidity).
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Apr 02, 2015 at 11:07 PM Author: Medved
The LED's are designed for the same 1:4 height/spacing ratio as the HID sources were. But from the real life I have observed, the 1:5..1:6 spacing works still quite well (along the road the cut off isn't that sharp, it becomes harder due to the beam angle for that distance and in that direction not much needed). ANd for larger spacing than 1:6 even the HID's are very far below providing the minimum illumination level, not speaking about the light uniformity (there with HID you would need spacing of less than 1:2 to match the LED's at 1:4).
I know some people are complaining the road lights does not illuminates their yards, but sorry, that is not why the lights are there, if they want light there, they should install their own.
And on the contrary, I know about many people (more than those above), who would like to sleep at dark and be waken up by the natural daylight, with the light spill of old HID's they have no solution at all.

However what I've seen in most cases was wrong specification of the LED fixtures. If someone select for a 6m pole just a 1200lm model, I'm sorry, but that i**ot should not be allowed to do that job.
And other problem is, the precise optics needs proper alignment of the fixture (quite common mistake is to level the fixtures on sloped roads by a spirit level or with the pole and not parallel to the road slope)

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Apr 02, 2015 at 11:32 PM Author: BG101
It's a shame these are the wrong colour, a true replacement should also be around 4200°K. Otherwise you might as well replace the gear and use standard (and much cheaper) CMH lamps.

I agree about the alignment with the road. When I re-lamped the floodlight at the back of the pub, I angled it correctly so that the beam is aimed at the centre of the main yard floor. This minimizes light spill and still illuminates the other yards well (further back). I see so many incorrectly aimed floodlights it makes me mad! It's not surprising that street lighting installers (some of the new crop probably aren't "engineers") also fall foul of this, albeit (usually) to a lesser extent.


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Apr 03, 2015 at 12:00 AM Author: dor123
@BG101: This is also a common phenomenon in Israel, to incorrectly aim floodlights.
LED road lanterns in Israel, are 4200K. These are the LED floodlights that are usually pale 6500K and sometimes low quality warm white.
Also, it is impossible to make an asymmetrical LED floodlights.

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Apr 03, 2015 at 12:19 AM Author: BG101
Our LED road lanterns appear to be a daylight colour to me but are probably rated as 4200°K. The LED floodlights I've seen so far have all been the horrid warm-white versions .. I don't like warm-white outdoor lighting.


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Apr 03, 2015 at 12:31 AM Author: dor123
Actually I've seen warm white LED lanterns at the promenade from Hecht Park, to Hof-Hacarmel hotel. Also there are Osram Powerball HCI-ET 70W/830 and HCI-TT 250W/830 inside Schreder Furyo lanterns at Herzl street, at Hadar city center of Haifa.
I agree that daylight look horrible with LEDs. Most warm white LED floodlights we have, have also ugly colour, sometimes reaching to mustard yellow. The daylight LED floodlights, also have a pale bluish white colour.

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Apr 03, 2015 at 02:52 AM Author: BG101
The light produced by our road lanterns is actually quite pleasant; it is reminiscent of the old mercury vapour lighting with the way it lights the vegetation, albeit in some cases glary and often not bright enough.


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Apr 07, 2015 at 05:38 AM Author: dor123
According to what I've seen in Osram website: MV, retrofit HPS and regular HPS are banned (Despite most of them have EEI=A [Retrofit HPS and regular HPS lamps]). Quartz MH lamp (Including probe-start MH lamps) aren't banned.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
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Jul 16, 2015 at 11:39 PM Author: ricksbulbs
I find the European mercury lamps to be of rather poor quality overall. Our USA made lamps used to be awesome---I have seen Westinghouse Lifeguard mercury lamps installed in the 1960's making as much as 70% of their initial lumens in 2014! The way to do this is huge cool running electrodes that don't blacken the arc tube. But since lamp makers got more concerned with how many lamps they can sell, and making then for shorter life, this all flew out the window. LED's suck, period the end. I don't care how "efficient" they are supposed to be, etc, they are not "real" light sources. The are "gadgets" like cell phones and TV's. They also have major lumen maintenance and color shift issues, and most if not all use phosphors, making them actually NOT LED's at all, but 'solid state fluorescent lamps'. The optics sick eggs, and even IF the optics are good, the lumen output is dismal, WAY lower than the HID sources they replace. The electronic drivers are junk---just use a friggin' step down transformer and full wave rectifier--jeez Louise! Switch-Mode power supplies like LED drivers are damned inefficient too! You can spout the "merits" of these lights till you pass out from oxygen deprivation, and I will still say at the end "OK, but LED's STILL SUCK!" the only reasons we are being forced to "efficient" lighting is first, the lamp makers REALLY want us using too-expensive lamps to increase profit margins while gouging us to the poor house--for now thee LED 'bulbs' have much longer lives than incandescents, but in 5-10-20 years they will last 750 hours. That is to insure you have to keep buying new ones at big prices. Happened with all other light sources, LED is next. Second, The governments want to control us any way they can, and telling us when kind of bulbs we "should" use is part of that. You just watch--the governments told us to "hoard" regular incandescents, and you can BET they will be coming up what a "new rule" that forces us to dispose of the hoards THEY told us to build, because of some new efficiency requirement that ALL sockets MUST now use LED's. If you decide to go against it, the authorities will use spectroscopes to "look" at your lights, and if incandescent spectrum is seen, they will confiscate the bulbs hoard and fine you for EVERY bulb you had! Collectors won't be immune either! and Third, the power utilities are lazy, profiteering scum that won't upgrade the power grids to supply more power for the energy guzzling electronics people are now addicted to---huge screen TV's, Cell phone chargers, iPads, and all the junk we don't need but MUST have, as well as air conditioning in EVERY house, so they go after trite things like lighting to avoid upgrading the capacity of the older systems, and lobby for the bans on bulbs. Wake up, people of LG! It is a scam and we are being taken for the ride of out lives by it! I was even told soon Christmas lighting, even LED will be banned wholesale because it is an unnecessary waste of energy---but huge screen TV's aren't? Or cell phone chargers? GIVE ME A FRIGGIN' BREAK! Cheers all! Rick "C-6" Delair!
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Aug 14, 2017 at 09:03 AM Author: sox35
They replaced all the old mercury street lights where I used to live a few years ago with LED's and they look absolutely AWFUL, with the stainless steel fittings just plonked on top of the old concrete posts like afterthoughts. When they're lit, they are absolutely dazzling to drivers, I am just glad I don't live there any more. Where I am now we have a mixture of HPS and MH lamps, which are much better, although I do miss the days of LPS street lighting...

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Sep 17, 2018 at 04:50 PM Author: sox35
Update to my last post, the HPS and MH lamps have nearly all gone, replaced by LED lanterns with no optical control whatsoever.

Here is a picture from one of the city centre webcams, showing Union Street, the main shopping street in Aberdeen. Surely there shouldn't be this much light escaping upwards..? At street level, it's just about bearable, but still very harsh on the eyes.

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Sep 18, 2018 at 02:07 AM Author: dor123
@MissRiaElaine: Read my comment in your picture. The exposure time is too long. This shouldn't looks like this with the unaided eyes or with shorter exposure time, even if the road lighting is LED.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Sep 18, 2018 at 07:07 AM Author: sox35
The rest of the image looks ok. Check the HPS lamp to the right.

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