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It has already gone too far!!!!!!

It has already gone too far!!!!!!

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Three and half years after they replaced their 400W probe-start MH highbays with induction lighting , Stop Market Yagur, downgraded their lighting to LED...

Never seen such a short life of a lighting installation.

As expected, the lighting levels remained the same, but the LEDs are much glary:

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May 11, 2017 at 11:09 AM Author: douro20
We have the same thing in both of the local Menard's stores. At these power levels they couldn't last for more than five years. I wish they would had gone with their original plans to use induction lighting.
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May 11, 2017 at 11:20 AM Author: dor123
Their former induction lighting, could well last very long, even if the lamp were chinese, since except the driver, there is no part in the lamp that can fail quickly.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM Author: Beta 5
FOOLS
sadly they have been brainwashed by LED

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May 11, 2017 at 11:47 AM Author: Lumex120
Gross.

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May 11, 2017 at 12:12 PM Author: Powergroove
Gnarly.

Keep government out of the lighting industry.

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May 11, 2017 at 12:15 PM Author: Lumex120
Revolting.

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May 11, 2017 at 12:17 PM Author: wattMaster
Sickening.

SLS! <click

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May 11, 2017 at 01:09 PM Author: suzukir122
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May 11, 2017 at 01:15 PM Author: Beta 5
Disgusting.

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May 11, 2017 at 02:13 PM Author: streetlight98
What a waste! After only three years? Did any of the inductions actually fail within the 3 years they were used?

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May 11, 2017 at 02:16 PM Author: FGS
Ew! eBay toys... What a shame!

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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May 11, 2017 at 02:56 PM Author: suzukir122
In all seriousness though, I too am curious whether those light induction fixtures had some failures or something.
Welp, we'll see how long these fixtures last....

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May 11, 2017 at 05:32 PM Author: High Intensity
I'm happy that the costco near me that i go to still has all of there MH light fixtures.

Old lighting is, and will always be, the best lighting.

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May 11, 2017 at 05:41 PM Author: suzukir122
All Costcos near me use what look to be LED. Same with Menards unfortunately.

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May 14, 2017 at 07:04 PM Author: BlueHalide
The Menards location where I live mustve been a "test" location for the 200w Induction as the store used 50% Induction and 50% Venture 320w Uniform Pulse start hi-bays. The Induction didnt age well, they used the "Everlast" brand. The Induction already produced much less light than the 320w MH when newly installed, then over the last 5 years they dimmed out to a sickly cool green color with large black burn marks on the phosphor around the coil areas. Last I was in there they only had a few left operating in the garden center and one is so dull that a 100w mercury lamp would be brighter. Ive posted about this somewhere else on here awhile ago, Induction was basically a marketing scam, even more so than LED, these induction companies made ridiculous claims like "twice the efficiency of MH and HPS" when in reality they produced 60lm/w max. The induction parking lot floods that are totally enclosed fare even worse, there is a lot I know of that uses shoeboxes that contain two rectangular 80w induction lamps and the light output and color is so dismal you'd honestly be better off with DX mercury.
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May 14, 2017 at 07:09 PM Author: BlueHalide
In regards to the pic above, I recently visited the Menards location in Rhinelander, WI that uses these SMD LED's entirely, the output really is comparable to the previous pulse start MH, but I too wonder about the life of these considering the power loading vs. surface area
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May 14, 2017 at 11:42 PM Author: dor123
BlueHalide: I thought that the induction proved their long lifespan (Except the HF generator), as there is no filament to burn out, so the rate of emitter consuming is very slow compared to electroded fluorescent lamps. fast lumen degradation, means of poor quality phosphors.
But I agree that in terms of efficiency, they aren't more efficient than HID lamps, but they still better than LED.

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May 15, 2017 at 02:11 PM Author: Ash
I suppose when a lamp is intended to last 10 years, they would be able to make better gear even when it is Electronic. In efficacy Induction is roughly comparable to T8 and a bit below T5HE
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May 15, 2017 at 02:19 PM Author: Beta 5

BlueHalide: I thought that the induction proved their long lifespan (Except the HF generator), as there is no filament to burn out, so the rate of emitter consuming is very slow compared to electroded fluorescent lamps. fast lumen degradation, means of poor quality phosphors.
But I agree that in terms of efficiency, they aren't more efficient than HID lamps, but they still better than LED.


So they've fitted LEDs that are LESS efficient to the inductions they replaced?

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May 15, 2017 at 02:20 PM Author: Lumex120
At least this isn't as bad as what happened in a new upscale grocery store here. 6-month-old T5 highbays already replaced with LEDs and now it is much colder feeling and dimmer. Plus, the glare is awful.

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May 15, 2017 at 02:37 PM Author: Beta 5

At least this isn't as bad as what happened in a new upscale grocery store here. 6-month-old T5 highbays already replaced with LEDs and now it is much colder feeling and dimmer. Plus, the glare is awful.


Like I say, LED brainwash.
They are conned into thinking that "because its LED" it MUST be better than any other light source, end of, no considering lm/w or any of the actual figures.
I have seen some 6 year (fitted in 2009-10) old T5 highbays and MH highbays replaced already by LED all that happened was the store was more glary.

Also seen a store, that replaced all its T8/T12 battens for LED, said store now feels like a fridge, probably with little energy saving, and reduced reliability, not to mention the black outlines on the ceiling form all the hard service the battens did

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May 15, 2017 at 03:01 PM Author: FGS
More like they were lax in researching LEDs carefully and went "let's try LEDs! John go look on eBay for the cheapest ones you can find." given the harsh blue cold feelings you guys described here. Sounded like eBay type LEDs were installed over properly designed ones by major brands.

I haven't seen many places with eBay LEDs except for one place. Cold harsh blue tinged LED fixtures in a Corvette's shop. Good grief man! The glare and eye strain from being in that shop! The LEDs were like 10000k or more. What in Rory Mercury's name were they thinking when they decided to bid on those things? High color temps LEDs in a Chevrolet Corvette's shop? As if everyone are driving blue Vettes. (There was a blue one in the shop but mostly they're red cars.) Never again I'm gonna set foot in that shop!

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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May 15, 2017 at 03:02 PM Author: Ash
The arrays of bare LED chips (like most of those highbays are) easily get 120 Lm/W. Older Induction systems do not, though i have not checked lately. If we apply penalty for glare the LEDs numbers would bite the dust but that is not how the LED equivalence game works
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May 15, 2017 at 03:35 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah I've noticed there are very few LED fixtures with adequate diffusers to scatter the light and cut glare, because it would reduce efficiency. Perhaps as the technology advances more suitable diffused/glare-controlled fixtures will come out. Seems like they keep getting more and more efficient. I wonder where the limit on LED efficiency is? It's too bad they're forcing the technology on us while it's still in its infancy, since a lot of the LEDs out there are still substandard. However, I suppose the forceful push for LEDs is what has made its evolution so quick, as manufacturers are quickly seeing flaws in designs and changing them and have been able to pay off design changes more quickly whereas in the past, sales of a new technology were slower so it took longer for manufacturers to spot fatal flaws or to pay off equipment in order to reinvest in newly-designed equipment.

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May 15, 2017 at 11:58 PM Author: Ash
The big development is in the insides of how to make the semiconductor. From the outside it is a chip/array of chips and is going to stay that way - there is no reason why they would not make better optics anytime except - not possible with the LED form factor or no interest
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May 21, 2017 at 05:36 AM Author: Flurofan96
This IS LED BRAINWASH BIG TIME!!! See what they did, they replaced perfectly working induction highways that were 3.5 years old No money saving, more waste in the skip and expect a mass failure with these cheap LED highbays From the closeup of the LED module its very likely that they have a "bicycle grade ice bluish colour" associated with 5mm LEDS but this time SMD

If I was the electrician and had to come over here to replace EOLED fixtures, I would have great fun by letting them smash onto the ground (when its safe to do so) I'll probably close an aisle one by one and create clear space to drop the EOLED fixture

I will give LEDisease a taste of my shoe

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May 23, 2017 at 10:28 AM Author: BlueHalide
The location that uses 100% LED highbays is not the same location I spoke of that used the combination of MH and Induction. And while I prefer discharge over LED, those 200w Induction high bays were absolute garbage, they are the fluorescent equivalent of the Ebay LEDs. These Induction fixtures aren't inexpensive either. What good is a 90K hour life when the lamp dims to uselessness after 5-6 years. The adjacent 320w MH highbays really gave a good indication of just how dim the Induction were. Needless to say most of these poorly performing induction fixtures were removed and replaced by more 320w PSMH.
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May 23, 2017 at 10:46 AM Author: Lumex120
When did you install the 320w highbays?

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