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Replaced these at a condo complex. The LED bulbs have a high failure rate. Most are Satco.

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Jul 29, 2020 at 03:47 PM Author: Jovan
Ready for recycling.
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Jul 29, 2020 at 03:49 PM Author: paintballer22
Typical. LEDs Never Last their rated lifetime. What is the inside Frost bulb on the lower right corner?
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Jul 29, 2020 at 04:47 PM Author: High Intensity
I see what looks like a US-made Sylvania LED in the top-right corner, which comes as no surprise to me as those LEDs would always fail prematurely from my experience.

Old lighting is, and will always be, the best lighting.

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Jul 29, 2020 at 09:36 PM Author: CEB1993
Whoa! Those LEDs certainly don’t last their advertised lifetime. LED manufacturers except consumers to forget when their LED lamps are installed, so premature EOL’s won’t cause any dissatisfaction.

I’ve had early failures with the USA made Sylvania LEDs. I see some Ecosmart LEDs from Home Depot here too. Those are pretty good quality, but they are prone to early EOL too. As much as I like LED for special effects and some household lighting, I’m still an incandescent/halogen purist.

Philips DuraMax and GE Miser forever!  Classic incandescents are the best incandescents! Stop the lamp bans!

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Jul 29, 2020 at 10:13 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Yep, just plain garbage!

Save the Cooper OVWs!! Don't them down by crap LED fixtures!!!

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Jul 29, 2020 at 10:19 PM Author: LART2014
There are exceptions... I bought an LED tube in 2016 March and it has been working 24 hours/day till last week. That means such tube lasted close to 36,000 hours!
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Jul 29, 2020 at 10:48 PM Author: Fluorescent05
Cheap junk. I had a "Utilitech" lamp crap out last Friday after 4 or 5 years of not much use.

Don't be fooLED, T8 IS the worst thing to do to a magnetic T12 fixture.

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Jul 30, 2020 at 01:14 AM Author: James
Its becoming even worse for LED fixtures which often have similar failure rates. But then with a lot more hassle because its a lot of work to replace and then often to re-finish the ceiling afterwards. Plus a larger quantity of waste for disposal.

In Europe it has become so excessive that despite the long claimed life of LED, the quantity of electronic waste being generated by the lighting industry has gone skyhigh since the transition to LED, and is no longer acceptable to governments. Moreover in professional installations of hundreds of fixtures, if a couple fail after a few years you cannot even buy that same fixture any more, due to the rapidly changing market and fixture styles and lumen/colour specs. So its becoming common to rip everything out and replace even the partly used but still working fixtures, generating a huge waste stream.

Because of this we currently have a new legally binding EU-wide regulation in preparation, forcing the lighting industry back towards the old days of having an empty fixture chassis to contain a removable and replaceable LED light source and driver. The intention is to extend the service life of fixtures installed in the ceiling and only replace the parts that fail, thereby reducing waste levels. It will become legally mandatory for the fixture producer to offer spares on the market for eg 10 years minimum, exactly the same as for washing machines or other similarly regulated appliances.

Fortunately this approach seems to be widely supported by the larger lighting manufacturers, who became non-profitable following the demise of their lamps businesses. Several now see an opportunity to rebuild a healthier business model based once again on sales of fixtures, then followed by several decades worth of spare parts like lamps to keep them going.
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Jul 30, 2020 at 01:28 AM Author: dor123
The Israeli people completely ignore the consequences of integral LED fixtures, and often even recommends integral LED fixture over using LED lamps on a regular lighting fixtures. All of the LED fixtures and lanterns we have in Israel, are the same ones that are sold in Aliexpress.
@James: I would expected that the EU would declare the LED as a hazardous waste if the LED cause a significant increase in electronic waste and fixture disposable in Europe, and would return to the old lamp technologies in general lighting.

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Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

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Jul 30, 2020 at 01:28 AM Author: vytautas_lamps

Its becoming even worse for LED fixtures which often have similar failure rates. But then with a lot more hassle because its a lot of work to replace and then often to re-finish the ceiling afterwards. Plus a larger quantity of waste for disposal.

In Europe it has become so excessive that despite the long claimed life of LED, the quantity of electronic waste being generated by the lighting industry has gone skyhigh since the transition to LED, and is no longer acceptable to governments. Moreover in professional installations of hundreds of fixtures, if a couple fail after a few years you cannot even buy that same fixture any more, due to the rapidly changing market and fixture styles and lumen/colour specs. So its becoming common to rip everything out and replace even the partly used but still working fixtures, generating a huge waste stream.

Because of this we currently have a new legally binding EU-wide regulation in preparation, forcing the lighting industry back towards the old days of having an empty fixture chassis to contain a removable and replaceable LED light source and driver. The intention is to extend the service life of fixtures installed in the ceiling and only replace the parts that fail, thereby reducing waste levels. It will become legally mandatory for the fixture producer to offer spares on the market for eg 10 years minimum, exactly the same as for washing machines or other similarly regulated appliances.

Fortunately this approach seems to be widely supported by the larger lighting manufacturers, who became non-profitable following the demise of their lamps businesses. Several now see an opportunity to rebuild a healthier business model based once again on sales of fixtures, then followed by several decades worth of spare parts like lamps to keep them going.

That is wonderful new James, because I've seen just many piles of LED fixtures just piling up in recycling centers.. and 99 percent of the time they fail because of bad capacitors.. I tell you, I took apart not a few and all failed because of burned out or leaked or just whatever capacitors fault.. The circuits are just weak and the capacitors fail soon. They start to flash and soon after they don't even light up at all and the LEDs themselves are most of the time still good and could produce light for another 10 years if ran correctly.. Its really interesting how that stuff is made in that way for it to basically fail at at once.. That is why I am very glad to see that in Lithuania most of the new light upgrades that happen in schools and offices are still mainly fluorescent. There are still plenty for fixtures to buy that are preheat or use good quality OSRAM quicktronic ballasts that do not kill the tubes. I don't like LEDs, considering that fluorescent lighting has always been the king and nobody can argue with that. Our shopping centers here in Lithuania are now in full transition mode to LED, basically they install these T5 retrofit model mini fixtures into the T8 fluorescent fixture sockets and in the mini retrofit fixture they install the LED t5 tube and use that to light up. I ain't mad at them, they seem pretty fine and the failure rates with those LEDs isn't that high. My local favorite building material center retrofitted the T8 fixtures with T5 LEDs about 2 year ago and I still don't see any failures except for two and both are in the plumbing isle.. They are very bright and seem to give off good color.. The quality made LED retrofits that are expensive and made by real companies and not some Chinese retailer, them I approve, they are good LEDs but the plastic liners with shady white plastic and no changeable drivers that cost 2 euros for the whole fixture, them can go screw themselves because those fixtures are just plain evil money draining monopoly. They fail after a month in some cases.. They have many LEDs and they are under driven by cheap tiny ballasts that are designed to run much lower wattage LEDs and they get very hot and fail..

New lighting technologies is a pity fest everywhere you look. From LEDs that last only for two months, to a never-ending global starvation of t8 fluorescent tubes.
We shall reinforce ourselves with good old full mercury t12s and HIDs made to surpass one's life, and give them all the middle finger ;

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Jul 30, 2020 at 03:35 AM Author: Prismatic
At least the filament led bulbs contain less waste as the heat sinked ones.
I have a Philips Warm Glow filament led bulb installed in this fixture 01-2018 ( https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-139838 ) and it is running each night. I estimate, that it reaches now 11000h runtime.

But as it is on a dimmer it runs at about 25% power so maybe it will last very long...

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Jul 30, 2020 at 04:47 AM Author: sox35

Its becoming even worse for LED fixtures which often have similar failure rates. But then with a lot more hassle because its a lot of work to replace and then often to re-finish the ceiling afterwards. Plus a larger quantity of waste for disposal.

In Europe it has become so excessive that despite the long claimed life of LED, the quantity of electronic waste being generated by the lighting industry has gone skyhigh since the transition to LED, and is no longer acceptable to governments. Moreover in professional installations of hundreds of fixtures, if a couple fail after a few years you cannot even buy that same fixture any more, due to the rapidly changing market and fixture styles and lumen/colour specs. So its becoming common to rip everything out and replace even the partly used but still working fixtures, generating a huge waste stream.

And people wonder why I detest L*D. At least with traditional lighting you could replace the lamp with a similar new one and not generate such huge amounts of waste. Too late now, though, nobody is making the lamps any more

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Jul 30, 2020 at 07:30 AM Author: sox35

@James: I would expected that the EU would declare the LED as a hazardous waste if the LED cause a significant increase in electronic waste and fixture disposable in Europe, and would return to the old lamp technologies in general lighting.

If only that were possible
The problem is, as I said above, nobody is making the lamps any more

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Jul 30, 2020 at 08:19 AM Author: Beta 5
Is the 85lm/w and less ban of all light sources still going ahead this year, I thought that was also related to the ban on non serviceable fixtures?

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What a waste

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Aug 01, 2020 at 12:04 AM Author: rlshieldjr
I'm sure that incandescent traffic signal bulbs will last much longer provide they are not burned base up
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Aug 01, 2020 at 07:24 AM Author: HPS_250
Cheap LEDs never last as long as they are rated for...

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Aug 01, 2020 at 09:17 AM Author: sox35

I'm sure that incandescent traffic signal bulbs will last much longer provide they are not burned base up

The traffic signal lamps I have state they must be burned base down to horizontal.

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Aug 01, 2020 at 10:50 AM Author: takemorepills
The Philips brand of LED bulbs do indeed seem very good, as far as LED bulbs go. My older USA-made CREE bulbs are holding up well after many years of all-night exterior illumination.

However, I 100% agree with everyone who has concern about the waste stream.

I used to work in semiconductor manufacturing facilities in the late 90's thru the early 2000's. We used all kinds of fun chemicals to make electronics. There was stuff that would explode on contact with air, or would absorb into your body and give you instant-cancer, chemicals that suffocate, oxidizers, etc. All of these chemicals are called upon to make the LED chip and the supporting devices to run the LED chip(s).
Couple that with manufacturing moving to countries that give zero eff's about EPA concerns or the whales in the oceans and I truly believe that the pollution created to manufacture these lights has escalated.

Couple that with selfish consumeristic habits when presented with cheap stuff and people go on buying sprees. Everyone here has seen over-lighted places with the lights left on 24-7 "because LED", people apparently think that because LED is "green" and "lasts forever" they can run more of them and leave them on longer.

Was just at Home Depot yesterday, and YUP, can confirm, the "integrated LED" fixtures they have on display are indeed failing. Flashing is common, dim output was well represented too. And to think, consumers will still buy these items even when they are failed on display.
I think people just can't help themselves, what's it called? "Retail therapy"?? A nice hit of endorphin when you buy something new?
Cool thing about LED is that there is so much change that these people will be forever buying cheap LED products and getting lots of endorphin hits every time they buy something "new and cool and green, yay!"
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Aug 01, 2020 at 11:12 AM Author: Choukai Kai
Typical of "Faileds", they put a heatsink sometimes without any thermal paste, or the heatsink is not well designed. But it gets worse, I've seen Osram LEDs with an IKEA board without any source of dissipation. Ousch!
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Aug 01, 2020 at 05:15 PM Author: toomanybulbs

Ready for recycling.

no ready for reuse.
i tear them apart and reassemble with 1 high power led ,a resistor,and a usb cable.
a nichia 219c,2.7 3w resistor,and some jbkwik to act as thermal glue.
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I'd recycle them with Mr Smashy

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Aug 02, 2020 at 09:57 AM Author: tcz

Its becoming even worse for LED fixtures which often have similar failure rates. But then with a lot more hassle because its a lot of work to replace and then often to re-finish the ceiling afterwards. Plus a larger quantity of waste for disposal.

In Europe it has become so excessive that despite the long claimed life of LED, the quantity of electronic waste being generated by the lighting industry has gone skyhigh since the transition to LED, and is no longer acceptable to governments. Moreover in professional installations of hundreds of fixtures, if a couple fail after a few years you cannot even buy that same fixture any more, due to the rapidly changing market and fixture styles and lumen/colour specs. So its becoming common to rip everything out and replace even the partly used but still working fixtures, generating a huge waste stream.

Because of this we currently have a new legally binding EU-wide regulation in preparation, forcing the lighting industry back towards the old days of having an empty fixture chassis to contain a removable and replaceable LED light source and driver. The intention is to extend the service life of fixtures installed in the ceiling and only replace the parts that fail, thereby reducing waste levels. It will become legally mandatory for the fixture producer to offer spares on the market for eg 10 years minimum, exactly the same as for washing machines or other similarly regulated appliances.

Fortunately this approach seems to be widely supported by the larger lighting manufacturers, who became non-profitable following the demise of their lamps businesses. Several now see an opportunity to rebuild a healthier business model based once again on sales of fixtures, then followed by several decades worth of spare parts like lamps to keep them going.


Good news, LED light source and driver need a standard, and easy to replace without a technician.
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Aug 03, 2020 at 06:37 AM Author: toomanybulbs
we all may live to see landfills mined for materials.
after we dig up ,process into crap,then trash all our natural resources.
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