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Philips 32w circline made in China. Out of round. What a joke.

Philips 32w circline made in China. Out of round. What a joke.

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Jan 09, 2019 at 07:11 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Junk!

-Date decoder of most US lamps 1960-present.

-Collects all types of lights.

I'll save any vintage lamp... dead or alive! Smiley

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Jan 09, 2019 at 07:18 PM Author: don93s
What a mess!!
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Jan 09, 2019 at 07:23 PM Author: sol
Someone should buy them a quality compass. They obviously need it. Not the dollar store math set junk, a proper Staedtler or similar !

I bet this lamp fits poorly in some fixtures (dependant on fixture design).
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Jan 09, 2019 at 08:23 PM Author: xmaslightguy
LOL that its not even round

Only the one, or are the others like that too

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Jan 09, 2019 at 09:11 PM Author: Patrick
That's disappointing. I put a Philips circline (from Thailand) in my kitchen fixture. This was after I returned a couple Sylvania lamps due to poor quality.

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Jan 09, 2019 at 10:17 PM Author: paintballer22
Just like the ones I got for the lights at the paintball field. They can be seen here
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This is still a CFL- and LED-free zone!


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Jan 10, 2019 at 10:19 AM Author: Headgardener
Total failure or inexistance of quality control. The workers in the factory seem to have smoked something funny before adjusting the machines. Should it be a true Philips product the Philips people shoud be ashamed about bringing such lemons on the market.
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Jan 10, 2019 at 10:51 AM Author: monkeyface
This week I ordered 60 new 40w watters. I hope they have a proper round shape as otherwise they won’t fit in the fixtures.
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Jan 10, 2019 at 11:07 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
Are they all like this?

I can only imagine what kind of fire hazards are waiting inside their chinese LED products
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Jan 10, 2019 at 12:18 PM Author: monkeyface

Are they all like this?

I did not get them yet. But soon. The ones I ordered (Philips TLE 40W/840) might be from Thailand, same as the the previous ones. But who knows, quite possible that we get chinese ones as well now.

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Jan 10, 2019 at 12:36 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
Im guessing as time goes on, more and more of their products will be made in China. Looks like its time to stock up on anything made elsewhere that still has known reliability
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Jan 10, 2019 at 02:06 PM Author: Silverliner
Philips apparently closed the Thai fluorescent plant. Our Philips circlines used to be made there. Now they're made in China.

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Jan 10, 2019 at 03:28 PM Author: merc
Hand made lamp?

Not a misoLEDist...

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Jan 10, 2019 at 04:06 PM Author: monkeyface
Oh no! Didn’t know that they closed.
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Jan 10, 2019 at 04:08 PM Author: monkeyface
So is there any other factory in the whole entire world which makes circlines beside the chinese Philips?
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Jan 10, 2019 at 04:29 PM Author: DimBulb
Very sad indeed!
These would never work in my vintage fixtures that have stationary plugs!

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Jan 10, 2019 at 04:38 PM Author: paintballer22
@Dimbulb: I had a hard time getting them to fit and work correctly in my vintage circline fixtures (they all have stationary plugs) at the paintball field. The topaz ones were much better.
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Jan 10, 2019 at 05:09 PM Author: Bamaslamma1003
Introducing a new fluorescent lamps type, the “ovalline.” Epic Chinese fail.

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Jan 10, 2019 at 05:30 PM Author: sol
Or maybe Circishline...
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Jan 10, 2019 at 10:07 PM Author: Lumex120

Are they all like this?

I can only imagine what kind of fire hazards are waiting inside their chinese LED products

They are probably making the LED stuff better, they are just intentionally ruining the quality of this stuff to get people to buy more LED.

Any machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.

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Jan 10, 2019 at 10:45 PM Author: arcblue
What a hideous looking lamp! Ovaline, LOL! (Actually there is such a thing as an oval fluorescent).

I've wondered too if it is intentional to try to force people to abandon "old" technologies and switch to LED. I think though it's more likely a decline in quality in general, in the name of decreasing expense and increasing profit. Like the ever decreasing size of candy bars and thinning of plastic bags and aluminum foil. Just when you think they can't make something cheaper, they find a way.

I think nowadays there are really only two reasonable options for lighting: with a small installation like a residence or small business, stock up on new old stock or used-but-in-good-shape quality older ballasts, lamps and other parts from eBay, flea markets, ReStores, etc and keep the old fixtures going as long as possible. Or - remove all ballasts and retrofit fixtures to LED, or replace fixtures with ones having integrated LEDS. If you can't beat them....join them...

It just doesn't seem worth buying any new fluorescent, HID or incandescent lamps or the crappy ballasts on the market now. I bought my last retail HID lamps last year....no more for me. The lamp quality is just horrendous now and they don't look good in fixtures, don't fit right, have ugly etches, and short life. Some probably stress ballasts too.

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Jan 11, 2019 at 05:29 AM Author: monkeyface
At least I hope they reach their life of 2 years constant running like those do made in Thailand. I have 67 lights which are installed in a underpass in our city and none of them failed but they got a little bit dimmer as they age.
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Mar 15, 2019 at 11:33 AM Author: vytautas_lamps
I just realized that it is not worth it going and buying new lamps these days. All that t8 garbage everywhere I look in my country. I really want to find some corned shop who still sells t12 tubes til this day in my country, because I don't want tp use my vintage NOS tubes. I could buy t8s but I just can't stand them! They look ugly in vintage fixtures. It's just not right. But hen again, with today's quality, if I were to find modern t12s in my country, they would be a shi*ty as modern t8s and burn out after 6 months of use..

New lighting technologies is a pity fest everywhere you look. From LEDs that last only for two months, to a never-ending global starvation of t8 fluorescent tubes.
We shall reinforce ourselves with good old full mercury t12s and HIDs made to surpass one's life, and give them all the middle finger ;

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Mar 15, 2019 at 11:52 AM Author: suzukir122
I've had a circline lamp from Sylvania with this lop-sided look to it before as well, but also, with one end slightly fatter than
the other. One end looked T9, and the other end almost looked T8

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Vytautas what T8's you have there ?

Philips (Poland) and Osram (Germany, China and Russia) are ok and last long (maybe not as long as lamps of old, but enough to not cast a "lamps dont last" impression). There are even some Chinese lamps (of Chinese brand names, or relabeled by small local brands) that last a couple years+ in full day (10+ hours) work

Other than they don't look "right" in some luminaires, are there starterless luminaires in Lithuania that really have functional problem with T8 ?



Circlines are a particularly tricky thing to fine tune (as i see it, after i understood the technology from James' descriptions), so i would not assume right away that factories having hard time to get the circline shape right must have other probelms with them or with other lamps in general. I.e. despite the lamp shape, i dont think it necessarily implies on lamp life in this case
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Mar 15, 2019 at 03:02 PM Author: Silverliner
Are US made circlines perfect? No. They still got their flaws.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 03:54 PM Author: jercar954
I've seen plenty of out of round US made circlines but the bottom line is they far outlast any Asian made circline or even linear for that matter.

Preheat and T-12 fluorescents forever! Down with LED's and instant start T-8 fluorescents.

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Mar 16, 2019 at 12:00 PM Author: vytautas_lamps

Vytautas what T8's you have there ?

Philips (Poland) and Osram (Germany, China and Russia) are ok and last long (maybe not as long as lamps of old, but enough to not cast a "lamps dont last" impression). There are even some Chinese lamps (of Chinese brand names, or relabeled by small local brands) that last a couple years+ in full day (10+ hours) work

Other than they don't look "right" in some luminaires, are there starterless luminaires in Lithuania that really have functional problem with T8 ?



Circlines are a particularly tricky thing to fine tune (as i see it, after i understood the technology from James' descriptions), so i would not assume right away that factories having hard time to get the circline shape right must have other probelms with them or with other lamps in general. I.e. despite the lamp shape, i dont think it necessarily implies on lamp life in this case

I also did notice that modern T8 osram, philips and other 'real' manufacturers produced tubes are of 'good' quality, but not as good in my opinion. I mean, I take my school as an example: in 2012 they renewed their old soviet fixtures with new modern Chinese made flimsy cheap preheat start t8 fixtures. They installed German made Osram lumilux tubes in them. At first they seemed fine, they looked nice and were bright. But the tubes themselves, that were made in Germany, supposedly "very good quality" tubes started failing at a year mark. They lasted one school year and at the and some tubes started flashing EOL. How is that not supposed to cast "modern tubes don't last" shadow on modern tubes? I know that frequent on and off and long times of being lit in winter times in schools probably contributed to these tubes failing quicker, but that is still nowhere close to Soviet and vintage 1990s Tungsram, Pila and Tesla tubes lasting at very least 7 years on preheat with school abusive use. Why can't they make tubes of the same quality today? Who knows. But it shouldn't be that hard to make a long lasting tube, I mean you just make a thicker filament with more coils for more emitter and that's it. But I think economy is the culprit here. If they make tubes that were needed to be replaced only once in a decade the earnings would be minimal, and none wants that these days.

As regarding Chinese tubes lasting a moderate time, well, I sorta agree with you on that, but at the same time I don't. You see, the longevity of the tube rotates around what fixture it was installed in. If the fixture is old, that means it has a powerful ballast, that is designed for older tubes with thicker filaments. So they preheat the ends with more current and run the tube at the higher voltage. If the fixture is new, and has modern preheat ballast, then it's fine, because it is designed for t8 tubes and t12 tubes on it is under powered most of the time. Wether the chinese t8 tube was installed in new or old fixture judges what life it will have - long or short. I have installed some Chinese "Spectrum" T8 tubes in modern preheat fixtures in my home, and they have started their second year working fine. They are moderately bright and have moderate CRI. However, two years is nothing to brag about, because the ends are now pretty blackened, and they flicker more than usual, so they are at their last breath until EOL. On modern preheat ballast they preheat fine, endfs glow just a bit so emitter is not sputtered off during preheat. That means longer life, that is moderate. Two years is a pretty moderate lifetime on a tube that is made in China and costs a bargain of 2 dollars for 4ft tube. However, on older/vintage fixtures that is a whole other thing. You see, Chinese tubes have thin filaments. That means on powerful ballasts that were designed for t12 tubes, they preheat very brightly and loose emitter very fast hense rendering the tube EOL in just a few months. I have seen in my school Chinese tubes installed in soviet fixtures, that were designed for thick double coil filament t12 tubes and they have very powerful massive ballasts inside. The t8 tubes during preheat glows so bright that ends start rectifying. I have seen how the T8 tube is preheating longer periods on a slow worn out starter and the ends starts releasing purple flashes of light and I even saw once the end starting to rectify and it shut down. The filament broke on too powerful vintage ballast. Chinese tubes don't last more tahn a couple of months on old powerful ballasts. So it is really difficult to judge truly how long does Chinese tubes last.

Regarding vintage fixtures in Lithuania, all we have of vintage is only Soviet made. Soviets never made any other type of fluorescent ballast other than preheat type. Yes, they made a somewhat rapid-start resembling starterless ballast for streetlights that used fluorescent tubes, but they were made only for 40 and 80 watt tubes, and they were only installed in streetlight fixtures, they were never installed in normal fixtures, because they were huge and required many materials to make. All soviet vintage fixtures were made with preheat ballasts and used starters, and that is why I don't like installing T8s in soviet fixtures. They look awful, simply because the space between the reflective white painted body of the fixture and lamp holder diameter was so to make the t12 tube s fit perfectly with minimal residual space. And installing t8 tubes in those fixtures just looks so out of caracter and so wrong that it makes me angry. Also, soviet vintage ballast were not designed for t8 tubes. They were designed for t12 tubes, and that is why there is another problem with t8s in vintage soviet fixtures - they struggle to start. The magnetic preheat ballasts were made with parameters for t12 tubes, for quick start, minimal humming and minimal flickering, and when t8 is installed the ballast are humming more violently creating more sound. I have many soviet vintage ballasts that work silently and with minimal flickering with t12 tubes, and they buzz like crazy and struggle to start with t8 tubes, because they are not designed for t8 tubes. The t8 tubes are overdrived on these ballasts, they preheat violently and the tubes fail faster than usual.

So the moral of the story is - I don't like t8s.

New lighting technologies is a pity fest everywhere you look. From LEDs that last only for two months, to a never-ending global starvation of t8 fluorescent tubes.
We shall reinforce ourselves with good old full mercury t12s and HIDs made to surpass one's life, and give them all the middle finger ;

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Mar 16, 2019 at 04:16 PM Author: Ash
Few of my experiences with T8 tubes :

My Jr. high school was built and opened in 1993. The tubes installed were a mix of Osram (Germany) and Philips (Holland), most 36W/640. They lasted up to the mid/late 00's with only minimal spot replacements here and there

A shop operated by a friend of mine, had been renovated in 2001 (ther shop belonged to somebody else back then, but it stands to this day with the hardware installed there). The original Osram 36W/765 (Germany) tubes were failing one by one over the early to mid 2010s. I'd say that half of the tubes were original in 2012ish. About 3 months ago i replaced the last original tube

Around 2015, i relamped in the same shop the 2 luminaires above the reception (4 tubes) to Osram Lumilux (tree etch Germany) 36W/865. This was to get a little extra light and improve the color rendering. One tube got Mercury starved within a couple months (i removed it and it was forgotten for years, now there is a 765 in its place). The other 3 work ok to this day, it's been 4 years of 5 day/week, 10 hour/day operation. (Same applies to the 2001 tubes)

Modular luminaires i found in recent year from LED conversions, with 4x18W T8, the ones from 2006 and later have mostly their original Osram (Germany) L18W/765 tubes, and later China tubes (that last less but also are newer)



At the Jr. high school the ballasts are Ein Hashofet Mini N40 ballasts (tall E/I core, fixed gap), rated for 36/40W 430mA PF0.5. For what i know, they are identical to the first Mini N40 ballasts from the early 80's, that were rated 40W (only), 430mA PF0.5

At the shop the ballasts are Ein Hashofet Eco 36.60.60 (VS Eco E/i core, variable gap), rated 36/40W 430mA PF0.5

In the modular luminaires ballasts were Eco 36.60.60 or Helvar equivalent


I think the big deal with Soviet ballasts is, that at least some of them were meant for capacitive power factor operation - which is known to be harder on the tubes (in modern ballasts as well)

If any such ballasts were wired without the capacitor (which could have been the way how all fittings out there were made, except the first engineering samples), then they could have been running (or preheating) the tubes completely out of spec... So maybe Soviet tubes survived it and modern tubes dont

Were there any Switchstart ballastas with 4 wire connection (starting compensation) ? If so, it opens more possibilities

Finally, i have used some Osram "st111 BASIC" starters from Smolensk. They glow bright, ping loudly, and flash the tube a whole lot during starting. I assume they are identical to the Soviet starters ? - If anything, i would expect that better quality starters like Philips, Osram (the German versions), Prusman (early 80's stuff in Aluminum body) would improve lamp life significantly, both for T8 and T12. So if modern lamps (with modern starters) last less than the old lamps with bad starters, this really says something...



In Israel we had for 40W/65W also PerfektStart (start with a mechanical thermal relay) and Rapid Start (one core with 2 coils + capacitor, the type mostly known as SRS)

PerfektStart starts T8's fine (unless there is some problem with the ballast)

RS is not supposed to start T8's, but i noticed that often it will start Osram China T8's (maybe they have lower pressure or less pure gas fill, that tends to have lower breakdown voltage ?) - In some places to the point that nobody even realises that there is a compatibility problem, they write off the few that fail to start as "bad lamp" and replace it with a new lamp that happens to be marginally easier to start, and works



Ever tried to install T8 with protective sleeves ?
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Mar 16, 2019 at 10:50 PM Author: suzukir122
@Ash, all this time, I've thought you lived here in the U.S. lol
As for me, I don't really have a problem with T8's... not really. And I'm on the hunt for Halophospate Cool White T8's... I've never
seen them in use before... except from a YouTube video I saw long ago from a member on here. I don't remember who that was though.
I'm also interested in T10's, and will be purchasing them at some point in time here very soon. Ultimately though, T12's are where it's at
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