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Early American Electric Model 13-000 Unpainted

Early American Electric Model 13-000 Unpainted

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Here is another recent addition to my collection. I can't decide if I like these better painted or unpainted. I am leaning more towards unpainted. This one will likely never be used outdoors permanently either. I will not be restoring either of these 13-000's. I like to usually leave my vintage fixtures as-is.

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Manufacturer:American Electric
Model Reference:13-000
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Lamp Type:Mercury Vapor
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Fixture Type:Cobra Head
Photocell Type:Twist Lock
Location:My Collection
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Wattage:175

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:03 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Cool, you're posting pictures now! Awesome lights!

There's one of these near me and it has a nicely dimmed out lamp. I think I should try to save it.

Good quality things are awesome. Cheaply made things are not.

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:09 PM Author: HPSM250R2

Cool, you're posting pictures now! Awesome lights!

There's one of these near me and it has a nicely dimmed out lamp. I think I should try to save it.


Thanks! Yeah I'll be uploading more. I'd try to save it if you can. These are really hard to find.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:17 PM Author: Wireman
Don't change a thing!! Leave this beauty exactly as it is!! This is a hell of an addition to your collection! There's a few of these near where I live that have been in service since 1967, however, the MV lamps were replaced with interchangeable HPS lamps. Better than an LED!

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:25 PM Author:
very nice! need to get one of those myself, got what is left of a 17-000, need the 13 and 15...
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:26 PM Author: HPSM250R2

Don't change a thing!! Leave this beauty exactly as it is!! This is a hell of an addition to your collection! There's a few of these near where I live that have been in service since 1967, however, the MV lamps were replaced with interchangeable HPS lamps. Better than an LED!


Oh I know it lol. Restoring this would just ruin it in my opinion. I don't like restoring any of my lights. I'd love to fire it up but I really don't want to risk it with how old it is. I had a PCB capacitor in a Westinghouse OV-25 Silverliner bulge and leak all its oil out a few years ago. At the time I didn't know and stupidly used the hose to spray the fixture out in the driveway and I stood in front of it. So I was standing in the water containing PCB oil. Learned my lesson not to do that again. I don't know if I'll be firing up many old fixtures I get after that. If I need to see it lit up that badly I can remote ballast it.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:27 PM Author: HPSM250R2

very nice! need to get one of those myself, got what is left of a 17-000, need the 13 and 15...


Ooooooo. A 17-000. You should post pics.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:33 PM Author: Wireman

Oh I know it lol. Restoring this would just ruin it in my opinion. I don't like restoring any of my lights. I'd love to fire it up but I really don't want to risk it with how old it is. I had a PCB capacitor in a Westinghouse OV-25 Silverliner bulge and leak all its oil out a few years ago. At the time I didn't know and stupidly used the hose to spray the fixture out in the driveway and I stood in front of it. So I was standing in the water containing PCB oil. Learned my lesson not to do that again. I don't know if I'll be firing up many old fixtures I get after that. If I need to see it lit up that badly I can remote ballast it.


After that story, you don't really need to see it lit up that bad

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:35 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40

Ooooooo. A 17-000. You should post pics.

I remember seeing an entire lot full of these things that are still here to this day. The lot got LEDisease unfortunately though over half still remain. I do not know what light source they use though.

Good quality things are awesome. Cheaply made things are not.

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:38 PM Author: HPSM250R2

After that story, you don't really need to see it lit up that bad


At the time I didn't know of PCB's and that old capacitors contained it. I was scared when I was told what PCB's are. Wish I knew before I did that.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:39 PM Author: HPSM250R2

I remember seeing an entire lot full of these things that are still here to this day. The lot got LEDisease unfortunately though over half still remain. I do not know what light source they use though.


Worth saving either way.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:46 PM Author: Wireman

At the time I didn't know of PCB's and that old capacitors contained it. I was scared when I was told what PCB's are. Wish I knew before I did that.


When I was a kid, my next door neighbor got covered in PCB laden oil from the transformer on the pole in his backyard when he was mowing his lawn. Fortunately he was alright!

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:46 PM Author: Wireman

Worth saving either way.


ABSOLUTELY

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:49 PM Author: HPSM250R2

When I was a kid, my next door neighbor got covered in PCB laden oil from the transformer on the pole in his backyard when he was mowing his lawn. Fortunately he was alright!


I'm very cautious now. I might encounter more PCB oil though since I am going to be a lineman.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:52 PM Author: Wireman

I'm very cautious now. I might encounter more PCB oil though since I am going to be a lineman.


I certainly wish you all the best luck in that endeavor

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:53 PM Author: HPSM250R2

I certainly wish you all the best luck in that endeavor


Thank you
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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:55 PM Author: wide-lite 1000
Simple solution : just replace any PCB caps with new non-PCB ones if it worries you, the other option is to get a multi-meter with the capacitance setting and check them before trying to fire the light for the first time . Once you do fire it up , keep an eye on things , (I like to check temps of the ballast and caps with one of those infra-red point and shoot thermometers ) If something's wrong it will show quickly ! My OV-50's bad cap went from room temp to over 120°F in only a minute or 2 !!!!. Honestly , getting rid of the PCB caps is probably a good thing anyways ! As a bad cap can ruin a good ballast or lamp in a hurry !

And BTW , Nice light !!!!

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Jun 01, 2020 at 10:59 PM Author: Wireman

Simple solution : just replace any PCB caps with new non-PCB ones if it worries you, the other option is to get a multi-meter with the capacitance setting and check them before trying to fire the light for the first time . Once you do fire it up , keep an eye on things , (I like to check temps of the ballast and caps with one of those infra-red point and shoot thermometers ) If something's wrong it will show quickly ! My OV-50's bad cap went from room temp to over 120°F in only a minute or 2 !!!!. Honestly , getting rid of the PCB caps is probably a good thing anyways ! As a bad cap can ruin a good ballast or lamp in a hurry !

And BTW , Nice light !!!!


Hell it works for me!

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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:01 PM Author: HPSM250R2

Simple solution : just replace any PCB caps with new non-PCB ones if it worries you, the other option is to get a multi-meter with the capacitance setting and check them before trying to fire the light for the first time . Once you do fire it up , keep an eye on things , (I like to check temps of the ballast and caps with one of those infra-red point and shoot thermometers ) If something's wrong it will show quickly ! My OV-50's bad cap went from room temp to over 120°F in only a minute or 2 !!!!. Honestly , getting rid of the PCB caps is probably a good thing anyways ! As a bad cap can ruin a good ballast or lamp in a hurry !

And BTW , Nice light !!!!


I didn't think of testing them. That sounds like a good idea. What about old fixtures that I might plan on permanently installing and running dusk to dawn every night? They could be ok when I test them and possibly fail soon after whether it be days, weeks, months later. I'd probably prefer to replace them but I heard it's difficult because you have to find exactly the correct one.

Fixtures I don't plan on using I'd leave alone with their original components.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:08 PM Author: wide-lite 1000
So far I've managed to find every cap I've needed on the internet. It's sometimes a royal pain in the butt (My OV-50 cap took me forever to find ) I usually just search the value of the old cap. For example 16uF 330v. You may have to sit and weed through tons of incorrect , junk listings but eventually they come up .

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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:10 PM Author: HPSM250R2

So far I've managed to find every cap I've needed on the internet. It's sometimes a royal pain in the butt (My OV-50 cap took me forever to find ) I usually just search the value of the old cap. For example 16uF 330v. You may have to sit and weed through tons of incorrect , junk listings but eventually they come up .


So the information I need should be printed on every capacitor then just search for that info?
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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:18 PM Author: wide-lite 1000
Some caps have the values printed in ink and some have them actually stamped into the metal . https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5207&pos=2&pid=177401

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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:18 PM Author: Wireman

So far I've managed to find every cap I've needed on the internet. It's sometimes a royal pain in the butt (My OV-50 cap took me forever to find ) I usually just search the value of the old cap. For example 16uF 330v. You may have to sit and weed through tons of incorrect , junk listings but eventually they come up .


Is it still possible to find ballasts for these older Cobras?

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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:20 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40

Worth saving either way.

They're on a county owned lot and are far from me so they will be tough to save. The light I mentioned earlier was in a private lot so it should be a lot easier to save it.

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Is it still possible to find ballasts for these older Cobras?

It's actually hard to find ballasts for these older cobras. Only ones I find are GE and even then those are usually HPS ballasts from like the 1990s.

Good quality things are awesome. Cheaply made things are not.

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Some caps have the values printed in ink and some have them actually stamped into the metal . https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5207&pos=2&pid=177401


Ah see that's the other thing that I don't like. The replacement capacitor might not be the same size requiring some modifications for it to fit. Might be better to just leave the originals in and disconnect everything to run the fixture from a remote ballast.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:24 PM Author: HPSM250R2

They're on a county owned lot and are far from me so they will be tough to save. The light I mentioned earlier was in a private lot so it should be a lot easier to save it.


I'd keep a eye on it might be able to get it. That would be a great collection addition.
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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:33 PM Author: wide-lite 1000

Ah see that's the other thing that I don't like. The replacement capacitor might not be the same size requiring some modifications for it to fit. Might be better to just leave the originals in and disconnect everything to run the fixture from a remote ballast.

Some are , some aren't . The cap I bought for the OV-50 is absolutely identical in size and shape but the one I got for the Norelco SOX streetlight is much smaller for some reason . I probably could have kept looking and found the correct size.

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Jun 01, 2020 at 11:34 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40

I'd keep a eye on it might be able to get it. That would be a great collection addition.

If anything, if I can't get it, I'd offer them a new lamp to watch it keep on going. That light is one of the last mercury cobraheads in the city.

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I remember seeing an entire lot full of these things that are still here to this day. The lot got LEDisease unfortunately though over half still remain. I do not know what light source they use though.


I plan on posting my fixture collection once I get thing organized in the garage and set up my ground level arm to take pics and test ‘em...😁
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Simple solution : just replace any PCB caps with new non-PCB ones if it worries you, the other option is to get a multi-meter with the capacitance setting and check them before trying to fire the light for the first time . Once you do fire it up , keep an eye on things , (I like to check temps of the ballast and caps with one of those infra-red point and shoot thermometers ) If something's wrong it will show quickly ! My OV-50's bad cap went from room temp to over 120°F in only a minute or 2 !!!!. Honestly , getting rid of the PCB caps is probably a good thing anyways ! As a bad cap can ruin a good ballast or lamp in a hurry !

And BTW , Nice light !!!!



Great idea!
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Jun 02, 2020 at 07:22 AM Author: CreeRSW207
Awesome fixture!

Long live Mercury Vapor and Incandescent street lighting!

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Jun 02, 2020 at 07:57 AM Author: HPSM250R2

Awesome fixture!


Thanks! Yeah these are beautiful. Kind of look like Silverliners.
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Jun 02, 2020 at 08:16 AM Author: LucasColley
How do you guys save these fixtures? I want another one in my collection.
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Jun 02, 2020 at 03:25 PM Author: Cole D.
There are three 17-000 here still used, I wish they could be saved.

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Jun 02, 2020 at 03:31 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux
Nice find Ryan! Did you find these locally?

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Jun 02, 2020 at 04:01 PM Author: HPSM250R2

Nice find Ryan! Did you find these locally?


No I purchased both of these. I wish there were some locally lol.
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Jun 03, 2020 at 07:28 PM Author: streetlight98
Nice! Is this actually bare or was it painted silver? My series 25 from 1966 was silver, but the paint washed away. You can check bu removing the PC socket. The paint will be fresh underneath if it was painted. For some reason the gray paint always lasts longer.

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Nice! Is this actually bare or was it painted silver? My series 25 from 1966 was silver, but the paint washed away. You can check bu removing the PC socket. The paint will be fresh underneath if it was painted. For some reason the gray paint always lasts longer.


I am pretty sure it's bare. I really don't want to remove any screws unless absolutely necessary though.
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Jun 03, 2020 at 07:36 PM Author: streetlight98
I do believe they were made bare so very well could be. I thought mine was bare until I took it apart to clean. Literally the only paint on the housing was under the PC socket.

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Jun 03, 2020 at 07:45 PM Author: HPSM250R2

I do believe they were made bare so very well could be. I thought mine was bare until I took it apart to clean. Literally the only paint on the housing was under the PC socket.


Eh I don't care to find out enough to risk breaking a screw. These are rare fixtures so I'll leave it alone lol
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Jun 03, 2020 at 09:28 PM Author: joseph_125
Nice light! The only 1960s AE lights I've seen in the wild here are the 1kW sized one with the fin. I forgot what the model number for that was though.
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Jun 03, 2020 at 09:29 PM Author: HPSM250R2

Nice light! The only 1960s AE lights I've seen in the wild here are the 1kW sized one with the fin. I forgot what the model number for that was though.


17-000?
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I think that was it, thanks.
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