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American Electric 250W HPS Model 113 Cobra Fixtures

American Electric 250W HPS Model 113 Cobra Fixtures

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Cover over the ballast compartment on AEL 115

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Manufacturer:American Electric
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Sep 11, 2019 at 07:09 AM Author: GE101R
Reducing ballast sound or di-electric? I doubt the latter.
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Sep 11, 2019 at 08:02 AM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux
Hmmmm...never sen this in a cobrahead before. I've only seen this in flood fixtures.

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Sep 11, 2019 at 08:08 AM Author: GE101R

Hmmmm...never sen this in a cobrahead before. I've only seen this in flood fixtures.

Seen photos once on Ebay with this installed in a fixture. It did not elaborate what it was for and the AEL site has nothing as well.
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Sep 11, 2019 at 11:03 AM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux

Seen photos once on Ebay with this installed in a fixture. It did not elaborate what it was for and the AEL site has nothing as well.

The thought just occured to me...maybe this is intended to be wasp barrier. Could it work as such?

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Sep 11, 2019 at 11:15 AM Author: GE101R

The thought just occured to me...maybe this is intended to be wasp barrier. Could it work as such?

It's open on the reflector end on both sides. I looked through the AEL site and have not found anything referencing anything like it. I can't think of anything but maybe a dielectric barrier for workers relamping to keep them away from the open energized parts or maybe a sound muffler for residential areas to muffle the ballast hum.
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Sep 11, 2019 at 12:02 PM Author: HPSM250R2

It's open on the reflector end on both sides. I looked through the AEL site and have not found anything referencing anything like it. I can't think of anything but maybe a dielectric barrier for workers relamping to keep them away from the open energized parts or maybe a sound muffler for residential areas to muffle the ballast hum.


I think it has to do with the fixture being UL listed.
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Sep 11, 2019 at 03:44 PM Author: wide-lite 1000
what holds it in place?

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Sep 11, 2019 at 04:46 PM Author: GE101R

what holds it in place?

Tight precise fit.
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Sep 11, 2019 at 04:47 PM Author: GE101R

I think it has to do with the fixture being UL listed.

Interesting.
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Sep 11, 2019 at 05:37 PM Author: streetlight98
It is required in order for the light to get a UL listing. The reason you dont see this often is because almost no cobraheads are UL listed, but it is an option when ordering. UL also requires a glass refractor too, not plastic.

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Sep 11, 2019 at 06:29 PM Author: GE101R

It is required in order for the light to get a UL listing. The reason you dont see this often is because almost no cobraheads are UL listed, but it is an option when ordering. UL also requires a glass refractor too, not plastic.



Do you have the UL spec requirement? I can't find them. If no, thanks for the information....
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Sep 11, 2019 at 07:18 PM Author: streetlight98
On the GE spec sheet you will find an option for UL listing, which says "must select glass optics" (paraphrasing here). As for the paper covering, it and a UL sticker always accompany each other. Dont have a check list from UL itself per se but the paper is there to isolate the servicer from electrical parts during relamping.

Cant clearly see it, but looks like UL appeara toward the end of this lights catalog number, meaning it's a UL listed model.

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Sep 11, 2019 at 08:18 PM Author: xmaslightguy
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It is required in order for the light to get a UL listing.
In otherwords more useless crap to increase the cost of the fixture.
I'm no fan of the private for-profit thing known as UL (especially when/if codes require 'UL approved' devices)

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Sep 11, 2019 at 08:40 PM Author: GE101R

On the GE spec sheet you will find an option for UL listing, which says "must select glass optics" (paraphrasing here). As for the paper covering, it and a UL sticker always accompany each other. Dont have a check list from UL itself per se but the paper is there to isolate the servicer from electrical parts during relamping.

Cant clearly see it, but looks like UL appeara toward the end of this lights catalog number, meaning it's a UL listed model.

So basically it is just to keep a person from accidentally touching the energized non insulated components. Sort of a dielectric shield. That's wild in a street light. I know some utilities have stringent requirements for fixtures as you can find some of them in bid sheet specs on the internet.
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Sep 12, 2019 at 04:40 AM Author: streetlight98
Yeah pretty over the top in my opinion. The NEC requires all electrical devices (switches,receptacles, lights) to be listed. Can be UL, ETL, CSA, or any other listing but one of them is required. So if a street light was installed on a brand new building the inspector could require it to be UL listed. I've only had an inspector ever question the listing on something Ive installed. Was a retrofit for a Federal Pacific breaker.

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Sep 12, 2019 at 11:23 AM Author: GE101R

Yeah pretty over the top in my opinion. The NEC requires all electrical devices (switches,receptacles, lights) to be listed. Can be UL, ETL, CSA, or any other listing but one of them is required. So if a street light was installed on a brand new building the inspector could require it to be UL listed. I've only had an inspector ever question the listing on something Ive installed. Was a retrofit for a Federal Pacific breaker.

FP breakers were junk, especially the thins.
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Sep 12, 2019 at 05:03 PM Author: streetlight98
They're horrible. The double pole breakers often get jammed and dont trip. The single poles often dont trip at the rated current either. And the stablock design often leads to loose breakers and arcing. FPE, Sylvania, zinsco, and Challenger are all awful brands. My favorite panels are Square D QO, Eaton CH, and GE.

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Sep 12, 2019 at 05:17 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux

They're horrible. The double pole breakers often get jammed and dont trip. The single poles often dont trip at the rated current either. And the stablock design often leads to loose breakers and arcing. FPE, Sylvania, zinsco, and Challenger are all awful brands. My favorite panels are Square D QO, Eaton CH, and GE.

Zinsco, Sylvania and Challenger are all the same company...just different names under different ownership.

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Sep 12, 2019 at 05:33 PM Author: GE101R

They're horrible. The double pole breakers often get jammed and dont trip. The single poles often dont trip at the rated current either. And the stablock design often leads to loose breakers and arcing. FPE, Sylvania, zinsco, and Challenger are all awful brands. My favorite panels are Square D QO, Eaton CH, and GE.


The older 70's Zinsco with the colored trip handles were good. They had a adequate contact to the busbars.
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Sep 12, 2019 at 05:36 PM Author: GE101R

Yeah pretty over the top in my opinion. The NEC requires all electrical devices (switches,receptacles, lights) to be listed. Can be UL, ETL, CSA, or any other listing but one of them is required. So if a street light was installed on a brand new building the inspector could require it to be UL listed. I've only had an inspector ever question the listing on something Ive installed. Was a retrofit for a Federal Pacific breaker.



None of my newer (2009-2016 cobra heads have this covering nor do they have a CSA or UL label installed.
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Sep 12, 2019 at 06:13 PM Author: HPSM250R2

None of my newer (2009-2016 cobra heads have this covering nor do they have a CSA or UL label installed.


Not every fixture has the cover over the electrical or the UL or CSA label. It's a special order request.
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Sep 12, 2019 at 06:15 PM Author: streetlight98
I don't have a single street light out of the more than 50 I own that is UL or CSA listed, with the exception of my AEL Autobahn LED fixtures. Those simply have a snap-on cover over the terminal block that conceals the live lugs. I removed the covers as they only serve as a hiding spot for spiders.

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Sep 12, 2019 at 06:17 PM Author: HPSM250R2

I don't have a single street light out of the more than 50 I own that is UL or CSA listed, with the exception of my AEL Autobahn LED fixtures. Those simply have a snap-on cover over the terminal block that conceals the live lugs. I removed the covers as they only serve as a hiding spot for spiders.


I have three. I have two of the Boston AEL 125's and one of the Cooper OVW's.
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Sep 12, 2019 at 08:18 PM Author: GE101R

Not every fixture has the cover over the electrical or the UL or CSA label. It's a special order request.

Yea, that is what I thought it to be. Don't think the soundproofing angle was very accurate since the barrier is not thick or padded. Went to the current AEL site and they had nothing in their ordering information to add anything UL or CSA to the fixture.
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Sep 12, 2019 at 08:26 PM Author: HPSM250R2

Yea, that is what I thought it to be. Don't think the soundproofing angle was very accurate since the barrier is not thick or padded. Went to the current AEL site and they had nothing in their ordering information to add anything UL or CSA to the fixture.


Yeah I don't think it is on the spec sheets. Just like silver paint isn't either. They're special requests.
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