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This is a project we had to do in our commercial wiring class. These are led weather proof lights. I did most of the hanging and wiring while the others in my group watched. As you can see one of them had only half working we decided the LED strip was bad.go figure. The outlets and switchboxes will be finished in the spring by the next class.

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Manufacturer:Cooper
Lamp
Lamp Type:Led
Service Life:Brand new
Fixture
Fixture Type:Weatherproof LED
Ballast Type:Driver
Location:Lime bluff park Montoursville PA
Electrical
Voltage:240v
Optical
Color Temperature:4100k
Color Rendering Index:Not too bad

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Dec 06, 2018 at 05:47 PM Author: streetlight98
Nice! I like vaportight lights. I know it's an educational thing, but those compression couplings on the EMT aren't necessary in this situation. The set screw ones would have worked. Personally I like the compression ones better as far as looks go, but the set screw ones are a heck of a lot cheaper.

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Dec 06, 2018 at 08:51 PM Author: Dan The Bulb Man
The reasoning behind the outdoor wiring is because it's a lawnmower/maintenance/ storage shed it's considered an outdoor install. Or at least we considered and wired it as such.
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Dec 06, 2018 at 09:50 PM Author: suzukir122
We literally have these kind of fixtures above our machines at my job, only they're fluorescent... for now. lol

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Dec 06, 2018 at 11:15 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
These look like Lithonia fixtures, I have two of them myself. They came with a standard 2xF32T8 strip inside with sylvania ballasts. I replaced the strips with old wide bodied strips that literally fit like a puzzle piece in the housing. They are F40T12
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Dec 07, 2018 at 10:36 AM Author: Dan The Bulb Man
They are in fact Cooper lighting products.
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Dec 07, 2018 at 10:51 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
They are very similar then. Even the white tabs
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Dec 07, 2018 at 06:14 PM Author: streetlight98
Buy the lights wired with MC? MC is not wet location listed. A bit of a double-standard.

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Dec 07, 2018 at 06:28 PM Author: Dan The Bulb Man
I don't really want these theyre a bit on the junky/ flimzy side. And also I don't have space or a use for them. Per artical 330.10A11 MC cable is allowed for use in wet locations.
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Dec 07, 2018 at 06:32 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
These standard housings should be able to be fitted with strip light to make it fluorescent. Remove the crappy unservicable LED from it and put a strip with T8 or LED T8 lamps
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Dec 07, 2018 at 09:37 PM Author: streetlight98
It you read the very article you linked, the MC has to have a waterproof coating either over or under the metal jacket. Standard MC is dry rated only. On top of that, the connectors on the lights are not wet rated and neither are 4 square boxes. The emt and the lights are the only things here suitable for a wet location. But this looks like a dry location per NEC so it's all moot.

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Dec 07, 2018 at 09:41 PM Author: paintballer22
They probably only had the compression connectors at that time.
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Dec 07, 2018 at 09:47 PM Author: streetlight98
He said above that they considered it a wet location when wiring it. So if that's the case weatherproof junction boxes, flexible cable, and connectors would be necessary. Typically if this installation was in a wet area, sjow cord or liquidtight/carflex conduit is used.

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Dec 07, 2018 at 10:01 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
Yeah and while at it, these lights should have been T8 with at least LED tubes in them. Putting in this proprietary throw away junk does not make sense. Had that EOL LED been a T8 one, it could have been replaced in 5 seconds
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Dec 08, 2018 at 09:56 AM Author: streetlight98
There's nothing wrong with the fixtures, at least from a code perspective.

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Dec 08, 2018 at 10:03 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
Code is fine, but functionality is not

But on the "bright" side... heh ... changing these defective products keeps bread on the table for you and others (assuming you still work in the field)
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Dec 08, 2018 at 10:07 AM Author: streetlight98
I'm sure you can still fit a standard strip light in one of these. So technically the luminaire as a whole is not a throwaway unit. A luminaire is a “a complete lighting unit consisting of a lamp or lamps together with the parts designed to distribute the light, to position and protect the lamps, and to connect the lamps to the power supply.” In the case of a vaportight fixture, the strip light or LED fixture inside the outer housing is a (replaceable) part to the whole luminaire. Sure it's not as easy as swapping lamps but it gets old hearing this exact argument in each_and_every post of an LED fixture. The people you should be saying this to is the manufacturers.

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Dec 08, 2018 at 10:10 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
I was hoping that would be the case here with these. But an average consumer ( not dan or anyone here but the average Joe) wont know how to relace the LED in this since it is not a bulb to change.
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Dec 08, 2018 at 12:06 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah it really is unfortunate that easily replaceable LEDs didn't take off. I can sorta see why manufacturers do it though. For one it reduces the cost of the fixture by making everything integrated. And the second being marketing reasons. The lights as "No more bulbs to replace!" That's only true because there are no bulbs inside. It's all one piece so there's no bulbs to replace but you've gotta replace the fixture. And something would seem fishy about replaceable parts on something that's "supposed to last forever".

I'm not justifying it, as I want lights with replaceable parts as well. Unfortunately the majority of people would rather replace the whole fixture instead of troubleshooting it. I know pretty much every electrician I've talked to would rather replace the whole light, rather than sit there and test out components. When I'm in "work mode" I'm the same way in some cases. Most lights I'd rather fix but a lot of outdoor lights (especially cobraheads) get filled with bugs and dirt and bees and I don't want to be tinkering around with that. I'd rather carefully unbolt the light and deal with a nice clean fixture that already works. But rather than throw out the old light, take it back to the shop and blast it with some soapy hot water and then troubleshoot it at the workbench. Then, it can be cycled back into use next time there's a bad light.

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