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SM-6 ignitor: Igniting HPS with Fluorescent Starter

SM-6 ignitor: Igniting HPS with Fluorescent Starter

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Video URL: https://vid.me/gtq4 (Vidme, since Youtube has gone mad lately)

Osram StE-501 starters are no longer made, and I need my 1980s street lamps to work, so I decided to take the information gathered from this forum about these interesting ignitors that require starters and actually see if a HPS lamp can be lit using a standard Philips S 10 Starter. The video shows all test cases, good or bad?

Tested in my newly acquired Thorn 7455 B from 1992 by bypassing the other ignitor, using an older SM-6 that were used with the original 7455 and Trafimax 8433 lanterns.

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Manufacturer:BAG TURGI
Model Reference:SM-6
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Lamp Type:HPS
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Wattage:150W

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Dec 22, 2016 at 10:32 AM Author: merc
Interesting set, Mr_Trafimax.

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Dec 22, 2016 at 12:41 PM Author: dor123
In most of the restrikes in the video, the lamp isn't at full brightness when you restrike it, based on the absence of the thermal afterglow of the arctube material (Only the last restrike with the S10 was done at full brightness).
With the electronic starter: Electronic starters for fluorescent lamp, have a timer that shuts the starters down if the lamp begin to rectify and triggers them or if the lamp fails to start. The timer usually expires after a sec or so.
You can start any 50-70W HPS lamp with a regular glow starter, provided you connect a 60W incandescent lamp in series with the starter.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Dec 22, 2016 at 03:25 PM Author: Mr_Trafimax
The last restrike with the S10, the lamp had been on for several minutes, the earlier ones the power was cut before the lamp had reached full brightness (less than 1-2 minutes). The HPS lamp needs at least 3 minutes for full brightness. That is probably why.

Either way, very well spotted dor123!
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Dec 22, 2016 at 03:38 PM Author: monkeyface
Nice to see a classic Swiss made ignitor made it to the Scandinavia!

Keep in mind that these ignitor type of the SM series do not work properly with HPS lamps like SON Plus and NAV SUPER...! Even with the proper StE 501 starter!
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Dec 22, 2016 at 05:37 PM Author: Mr_Trafimax
And it is breaten up a lot too, and still working great!

There has not been a single problem with the Master SON PIA Plus and this ignitor for over 5 years that I have know it. Is there any proof of problems, like an official document saying they shouldn't be used together?
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Apr 13, 2019 at 06:56 PM Author: Natriummannen
I have this type of ignitor in my Koffer250, 7461 and 7455 and they have s10 starters in all of them and there is no problem
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Apr 14, 2019 at 01:59 PM Author: Mr_Trafimax
Actually it is a BIG problem. My S10 starter started smoking and melted after just a few starts. I do not recommend using the wrong starter for this ignitor!
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Apr 14, 2019 at 02:07 PM Author: Natriummannen
Strange, i have the S10 starter in my Koffer250 for 4 years without any problem. The lantern goes on every night, so approx 1460 starts with S10 without any problem
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Apr 14, 2019 at 02:25 PM Author: Alex

Actually it is a BIG problem. My S10 starter started smoking and melted after just a few starts. I do not recommend using the wrong starter for this ignitor!

did you take the capacitor out?

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Apr 15, 2019 at 09:19 AM Author: Mr_Trafimax

did you take the capacitor out?

Yes I took the capacitor out of the S10... I have I feeling I shouldn't have done that???

The SM-6 ignitor was the one smoking though, not the starter.
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Apr 15, 2019 at 09:55 AM Author: Natriummannen
The ignitor explosion, doesn't have anything with the starter to do, sometimes these ignitors gives up
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Aug 25, 2019 at 11:50 AM Author: Edmund Ironside
The video is gone. Could you upload it to Youtube or Vimeo?

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Aug 25, 2019 at 05:15 PM Author: Mr_Trafimax
I don't have the video anymore. But I got another Trafimax that has the same starter, and I am going to do an extensive clean of it, meaning I will have time to film the ignitor in action. I'll get a video up in a few weeks. Look in my gallery every now and then for any updates.
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Sep 01, 2019 at 11:04 AM Author: Make
What is Osram St 500- starter? Some Finnish electrician found it with SM-6- ignitor: https://calm.iki.fi/tolpat/kuva/10839 Seem some older version of StE 501.
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Sep 01, 2019 at 11:23 AM Author: Ash
I think some of them actually have a GDT inside and not a standard starter glowbottle

GDT = Gas Discharge Tube - a Neon glow lamp designed to be able to withstand high current surges, mostly used as a surge suppressor to protect electronics
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Sep 02, 2019 at 09:55 AM Author: Mr_Trafimax
Yea, I have a bad feeling about using anything other than a StE 501 in these ignitors! Thanks Ash!
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Sep 02, 2019 at 11:06 AM Author: Danny
I actually know a place that sells these starters from old Stock but they are not exactly cheap though
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Sep 02, 2019 at 11:48 AM Author: Make
Maybe there is this difference. How old is St 500? Its date code is " v... ".
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