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Newish GE M250R2s

Newish GE M250R2s

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Toronto is one of the only cities in the GTA that still installs new HPS fixtures. I believe most of the GTA by now has long since stopped installing new HPS lights and most are either mostly or even fully LED. Anyway these were installed around summer 2018 during roadway reconstruction. Interesting to see GE luminaires used since the City of Toronto usually uses American Electric luminaires. Lights are 250w HPS.

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Manufacturer:General Electric
Model Reference:M-250R2
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Lamp Type:High pressure sodium
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Fixture Type:Cobrahead/Roadway
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Wattage:250w
Voltage:120v
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Fabrication Date:2017

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May 10, 2019 at 05:53 PM Author: Lumex120
That's neat. Hopefully they stay for a while. The only new HPS installations I see in my area are rental lights. Xcel Energy (my utility) offers 100w HPS 201SA's (but recently they seemed to have switched to AEL series 11's) with Skyguard reflectors, 250w HPS bracket fixtures with skyguard reflectors, or 250w HPS with a regular bucket refractor. They also offer 250w HPS floodlights. The newest installation I know of right now is at an apartment complex where 2 new 250w HPS Cooper Vanguard III's were installed in January of this year.

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May 10, 2019 at 06:46 PM Author: streetlight98
so shiny. National Grid still uses drop lens M-250R2s (with acrylic lenses) for 50, 70, and 100W HPS and AEL 115s for 250W HPS. Haven't seen any 400W HPS lights lately but before 2017 they were using OVXs (but at that time they were using OVZs for 250W, not 115s). Perhaps they're using 125s now? Or they might still have leftover OVX stock, as all the cities with more than one or two 400W HPS lights have changed to LEDs now. They use AEL flood lights now though, for 250 and 400W. They use 4000K round Autobahns for LEDs, but only per request of the city/town.

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May 10, 2019 at 09:48 PM Author: joseph_125
Yeah, Toronto has had some LED test installs with 3000K LEDs but I haven't heard any plans for a systemwide changeout. Usually they use AEL 115s for 70w-150w installs and the 125 for 250w-400w installs. I've also seen them use PSMH 125s but I don't think I've seen a PSMH 115. The gumballs and teardrops used mainly in the downtown core are 70-150w PSMH depending the road. The older gumballs were almost a exact replica as the incandescent ones that were in use up to the mid 90s.

I live in one of the Toronto suburbs and they're mostly LED since late 2013- mid 2015. The first phase used 4000K LED, the later phases used 5000K LED. Oddly enough most signalized intersections remain HPS to this day (reminds me of the old school caution yellow lighting actually) and I've noticed a couple of HPS fixtures that were used to spot replace failed LED units. Parts of the north east of my city are still HPS and a overpass that opened last year was surprisingly HPS.
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May 11, 2019 at 03:29 PM Author: streetlight98
Hmm I wonder if the LEDs were grant funded, so failed ones are replaced with HPS because the city doesn't have any more grant money? The cost of LED street lights is going down. They probably don't cost that much more than HPS at this point.

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May 11, 2019 at 05:31 PM Author: joseph_125
Maybe, it seems like LEDs really took off here after 2014. Even a lot of smaller towns that were MV got LEDs now. It seems kinda counter intuitive to spot replace with HPS but I guess since most intersections are HPS they still keep a small supply of replacement lamps and fixtures.
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May 11, 2019 at 09:36 PM Author: Cole D.
Nice. We went out of town today and we went through an area that got new GE M-400 FCO fixtures in 2018! I also saw an area in the town south of me put in some new turn lanes and the new poles got 115 FCOs. Duke Energy still installs AEL 115s as well for spot replacement on side streets but if a light wasn't there before, they use ATB0 80.

Highway spot replacements were mostly AEL 125 or GE M-400 drop lens up until recently but now they're using the Phillips Roadfocus LED.

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May 11, 2019 at 09:38 PM Author: Cole D.

That's neat. Hopefully they stay for a while. The only new HPS installations I see in my area are rental lights. Xcel Energy (my utility) offers 100w HPS 201SA's (but recently they seemed to have switched to AEL series 11's) with Skyguard reflectors, 250w HPS bracket fixtures with skyguard reflectors, or 250w HPS with a regular bucket refractor. They also offer 250w HPS floodlights. The newest installation I know of right now is at an apartment complex where 2 new 250w HPS Cooper Vanguard III's were installed in January of this year.


That's cool. I've never seen skyguard NEMAs here. And I wish they'd install ballast in arms here again, they're my favorites, but only a couple are still in use.

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May 12, 2019 at 12:56 AM Author: joseph_125
Same here, I've never seen a NEMA with a skyguard reflector. True NEMAs were rarely used here though as the utility supplied private lights tend to be power bracket style fixtures and the owner supplied lights tend to be yardblaster specials. Not that mnay powerbracket style fixtures left in the city too. I know of a old church here with two 400w MV GE Powrbrackets but they don't work at night.
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May 12, 2019 at 07:08 AM Author: Cole D.
Around here Duke never used bracket style, but the co-op in my area did. I think their first rentals were GE Powr/Brackets with the UFO refractor, never saw but about 5 of them, and only 2 are left I know of, not working. The AEL 165s in HPS were more common but only a few are still used since they replace with LED now. And some that are disconnected.

I really like that church install with those Powr/Brackets! I seen a church here has one in the parking lot, no idea if it's in use though.

NEMAs are still super common around town. I'm thinking the city must own the lights downtown because they tend to be a lot older than those in other areas, and they have the most MV ones.

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May 12, 2019 at 09:11 AM Author: streetlight98
The only Skyguard NEMAs I've seen were newer GE HPS NEMAs from the late 2000s in New Hampshire in the NH Electric Co-Op. They were using them for private lease lights until they switched to only installing LED lights in like 2014-ish. Now they use Evolve street lights in place of cobraheads and NEMAs. When they were using the Skyguard lights they were using FCO M-250A2s for 70, 100, and 150W HPS and M-400A FCOs for 250 and 400W HPS. Before the mid-2000s they used drop lens M-250A2s for 70, 100, 150, and 250W HPS and regular 201SA NEMAs for private lease lights. The only MVs were private lease NEMAs and Powr/Brackets which were almost all early 60s GE 101s for NEMAs and GE Powr/Brackets with Astrodome PCs. All 175W MV.

In RI, other than the Pasocag municipal utility NEMAs and Powr/Brackets weren't used by the electric companies. It was always cobraheads and flood lights for private leases.

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May 12, 2019 at 02:21 PM Author: joseph_125
In the city, lease lights are quite rare since most properties just install their own lights but I've seen some cobras and floodlights. The cobras are usually still in use an are HPS. The floodlights I haven't seen a working one and they tend to be MV in remote ballasted open fixtures. Kind of like a larger PAR 38 halogen flood.
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Jun 26, 2019 at 07:28 PM Author: Model25FanForever
Nice! Ive been meaning to get a photo of these! Did you know the the AE 115's and OVZ's that were installed are MH? Oh and in streetview at one spot you can see them actually putting one of these up lol.
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Jun 26, 2019 at 08:48 PM Author: Lumex120

Nice! Ive been meaning to get a photo of these! Did you know the the AE 115's and OVZ's that were installed are MH? Oh and in streetview at one spot you can see them actually putting one of these up lol.

Wait... they installed NEW metal halide streetlights? In a time when LED is being pushed more than ever? I'm gonna need a streetview link dude.

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Jun 26, 2019 at 09:08 PM Author: joseph_125
Interesting, I didn't know the AE 115s and OVZs were MH.

I found a Streetview of the HPS M-250R2s being installed. Turns out they were newer than I thought. The ones on the north side of the road (left in top pic, right in bottom pic) were installed in September 2018.

I'm not surprised if Toronto is still installing MH cobraheads. I know they have been spot replacing Cooper URB gumballs that have blown ballasts with King Teardrops.
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Jun 26, 2019 at 09:27 PM Author: Lumex120
Where are the metal halide 115's located exactly? I looked around for a little while on maps but I couldn't find any.

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Jun 27, 2019 at 04:39 AM Author: streetlight98
Really cool seeing the pole being installed!

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Jun 27, 2019 at 06:40 PM Author: Model25FanForever
There are 115's currently at Harbour and York, and at Bay and Harbour. Google Maps isnt as updated as you can see the poles were going to have arms and fixtures installed in streetview but in the winter they finished it up. The OVZ's are MH as well, Seen them light up at night.

Ive come across a photo of it at night too, I tried finding it but im having a hard time finding it again. Il post it when I find it
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Jun 30, 2019 at 01:17 AM Author: joseph_125
Ahh thanks for the intersections. I might make it out there to get some pics and to see them in person.

Yeah it's pretty cool they got a shot of the pole being installed with the arm and light attached too. Even more so since it's a new HPS install in 2018.
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Jul 01, 2019 at 06:10 PM Author: Model25FanForever
No problem!

Yeah Ive seen a fair amount of streetviews where crews are on-site installing/removing hardware in Ontario/ GTA.
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