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Philips TL-M RS 40W/830

Philips TL-M RS 40W/830

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So I swallowed the bitter pill and bought 3 of those for use in one of my two vintage fluorescents of which I'm currently restoring one completely. The problem is only these expensive TL-M tubes with starter strip come in triphosphor colors (like 830). I eventually managed to find regular T12 tubes with warm white color, but those are somehow always just 530, too bad for my taste (at least for the place I intend to use them, I wouldn't mind 530 in the hallway), so I didn't buy the 530's.
In case someone's interested I bought these TL-Ms relatively cheap (that is, the cheapest I could find including shipping) here at a shop called lighting24. They also do international shipping (Europe).
Yeah I guess 30,95€ in total for 3 tubes is not quite cheap but I think it was a good investment.
I think they'll look GREAT in my restored fixture but it's not finished yet.

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Manufacturer:Philips
Model Reference:TL-M RS
Lamp
Lamp Type:Linear fluorescent
Base:G13
Service Life:long I hope
Electrical
Wattage:40
Optical
Lumen Output:3100
Color Temperature:3000K
Color Rendering Index:85
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Dimensions:1.2m (4 foot)
Factory Location:Germany
Fabrication Date:September 2010

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Oct 19, 2011 at 05:04 AM Author: monkeyface
They are made by Sylvania SLI for Philips.
They're wont last as long as a Philips would do! They even do not have any cathodeguards.
Sad to see that Philips stopped their own TL production!
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Oct 19, 2011 at 08:10 AM Author: Skiller
Sigh...that's not good to hear. So in other words they are probably not worth their money...
Do you know where to get the "real" Philips made ones, monkeyface? You seem to know about TL-M tubes, I saw your pictures.
Btw, are these really made in Germany then?
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Oct 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM Author: monkeyface
It seems that the real ones arent made anymore thought. The last Philips ones were from Poland and in the nineties from France. I'm also thinking about to buy some 20w and 40w 830 just for spare for my streetlights. I reckon that yours were made in Erlangen in the SLI factory and branded as Philips.
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Oct 19, 2011 at 12:48 PM Author: Skiller
I see, thanks.
By the way does the starter strip serve any purpose when I use this lamp in a classic switch start (preheat) circuit (I mean, will it be connected to anything)? Is it safe to touch it during operation? Haven't had the chance to test the lamp yet.
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Oct 19, 2011 at 01:05 PM Author: SuperSix
This is still a good find, T12 Triphosphor lamps are difficult to get hold of now, or at least they are in the UK. 530s not that bad but I agree it's not the best.

The starter strip wont serve any purpose with a switchstart circuit but it wont cause any problems either and it's completely safe to touch.

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Oct 19, 2011 at 01:08 PM Author: monkeyface
This can be run as well on switchstart without any negativ influence to the life. The strip is connected to one ends pin internaly via a high ohmic resistor. You'll not get any shocks as the current is to low. ( by any chance have a closer look in to my album with light sources as there should be a picture of a end cap with the internal resistor)
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Oct 19, 2011 at 01:18 PM Author: SuperSix
I wonder if this lamp is an IRS one or not though?

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Oct 19, 2011 at 04:02 PM Author: Skiller
Hm, what is an IRS lamp?
Monkeyface, you have an amazing collection of fluorescent lamps, you even have the Osram Interna.
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Oct 19, 2011 at 11:58 PM Author: SuperSix
Internal Resistance Start. They're metal stripe lamps with the caps of the lamp connected to a pin on the lamp via a resistor, it gives the same effect as earthing the caps and they're suitable for use with starterless circuits where no earthed metalwork is available.

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Oct 20, 2011 at 08:58 AM Author: Skiller
Ah, ok. Well that is a good question. But I guess I'd have to break one to see if there's a resistor.
@monkeyface Just asking, do you consider selling me one or two of your Internas? I'd die for an Interna.
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Oct 20, 2011 at 11:49 AM Author: TL8W
0J is Sept 2010 (the system misses out on "I") so Oct 2010 would be 0K.

We do not have to agree on anything to be kind to one another. The ability to be civil is available to everyone on earth, for free.

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Oct 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM Author: monkeyface
@ Skiller: Of course I could send you some 40W INTERNAS. I got plenty of them. Just let me know your adress and I'll send some to you

BTW: Just take a ohmmeter and try to find out where the resistor is by connecting one end on the shell and the other on one of the pins
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Oct 31, 2011 at 03:03 PM Author: Skiller
So today I have finally tested the three TL-M lamps and unfortunately I have to say I'm very disappointed with these particular TL-M's. First, they have a strong pinkish tinge, not the nice 830 warmwhite color that you see with pretty much any T8 in 830. But, even worse, all of them have some fancy flickering an/or weird shadow stuff inside them going on.
One has rather strong brightness fluctuations along 1/4 of the total length (starting at the cathode), another one is dimmer in the middle than at the cathodes and flickers here and there, and the last one has weird shadows inside of it "waving" around like a spiral plus flickering. All of my observations were made after at least 1 hour of operation. I'd say they are crap.

I also noticed that the phosphor looks kind of dirty, as if the lamp was full of dust and someone touched it with his fingers - but from the inside, they are clean on the outside of course.
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Oct 31, 2011 at 03:09 PM Author: SuperSix
That's a shame about the colour! The weird flickering and waving is normal though! It's a common occurrence with brand new argon filled tubes, some they normally stop after a few hours!

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Oct 31, 2011 at 03:11 PM Author: Skiller
Hm, OK thanks, I will let them run a bit more and see if it's getting better. I guess the color won't change though...(which was the only reason I bought those)
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Oct 28, 2014 at 11:48 AM Author: Liam
These SLI have very poor life, im yet to come across one that's gone passed 6000h

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Oct 28, 2014 at 01:30 PM Author: monkeyface
The modern TLM are tougher than I thought. Mine ones are in my streetlight lantern for two and a half years in nightly use and one just shows barely any blackening.
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