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Feb 24, 2018 at 09:15 PM Author: streetlight98
Wow that's gotta be the worst retrofit I've ever seen. They still got the slimline sockets on the fixture above the retrofit! I also hate the alternating 1 lamp 2 lamp thing. I call those "KMart lights" lol.

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Feb 24, 2018 at 09:18 PM Author: lightinglover8902
These used to be F96 T12 HO, well a long time ago.

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Feb 24, 2018 at 09:29 PM Author: HomeBrewLamps
I don't understand how replacing F96T12 tubes with 3x F32T8 tubes does anything to save energy.

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Feb 24, 2018 at 11:10 PM Author: suzukir122
@Lightinglover8902, I doubt these were F96T12 HO, since most Walmarts used F96T12 Slimline Instant Start fixtures,
not High Output Rapid Start. It would've been AWESOME if they were High Output Rapid Start though.
I agree with you that this is a garbage retrofit. Big time.
If there are similar ballast failures through out this store, I expect them to replace these fixtures with LE... sigh... LED.

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Feb 24, 2018 at 11:12 PM Author: xmaslightguy
@HomeBrewLamps:
It does 'save' energy by the simple fact that they're using probably thousands less watts (when you consider just how many fixtures are in those stores)
Side effect is the store will also be dimmer.


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I'm guessing this is a programmed-start ballast that has partially failed.

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Feb 24, 2018 at 11:43 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Well one tube is not glowing anymore. It was though.

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Feb 25, 2018 at 09:48 AM Author: streetlight98
Homebrew: Not sure what you don't understand, as it's pretty basic math. 75*2=150 watts per fixture for 8ft slimline. 32*3=96 watts per 8ft F32T8 fixture. That's 54 watts saved per fixture. Granted, with oldschool full power ballasts and low CRI light lumen lamps like the building originally had, you'd be sacrificing lumens to save that energy. You would be better off using F96/ES lamps as a retrofit. Less light for less money. Four F32T8s actually use more energy than two F96/ES lamps but I think you'd actually get more light out of the T8s since the energy saving lamps are junk.

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Feb 25, 2018 at 10:23 AM Author: toomanybulbs
those are dimmable and vary with light level through the skylights.
they are saving a bunch on sunny days by not running them any more than needed to reach the lux setpoint.
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Feb 25, 2018 at 10:33 AM Author: suzukir122
Walmart did change over to dimmable fluorescent before the LED's, but I think the fixtures like the
one in this picture, are non-dimmable, unlike the fixtures near the skylights in areas that
have no ceiling tiles. The fixture in this picture is experiencing some sort of ballast failure

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Feb 25, 2018 at 11:23 AM Author: lightinglover8902
They are planning to take these down, in order to put LED. Just asked from a enployee.

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Feb 25, 2018 at 11:31 AM Author: suzukir122
Yep! Just as I expected lol... so enjoy the fluorescent while it lasts... bye-bye reliability.

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Feb 25, 2018 at 11:41 AM Author: lightinglover8902
But not only that what said about these fixtures are going to be replaced by LED, the fixtures in the food area are going to be replaced too by LED.

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It's possible they'll install the 8ft cree LED's for the food section. I saw a pink one last time I was at Walmart, as well as a blinking one not too far from the pink one. Keep in mind, that's 8 feet of light blinking... so it was definitely noticeable.

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Feb 25, 2018 at 11:51 AM Author: lightinglover8902
Well those LED down lights too, well in the produce section, with those LED strips.

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Homebrew: Not sure what you don't understand, as it's pretty basic math. 75*2=150 watts per fixture for 8ft slimline. 32*3=96 watts per 8ft F32T8 fixture. That's 54 watts saved per fixture. Granted, with oldschool full power ballasts and low CRI light lumen lamps like the building originally had, you'd be sacrificing lumens to save that energy. You would be better off using F96/ES lamps as a retrofit. Less light for less money. Four F32T8s actually use more energy than two F96/ES lamps but I think you'd actually get more light out of the T8s since the energy saving lamps are junk.

Oh, I completely forgot that there was two F96 lamps and not one. My logic was that they replaced a 96W lamp with 3x32W lamps which equal to 96W.

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Walmart used D35 sylvania slimlines before they converted to F32T8. 60 w for F96 and 32 w for F48. not low lumen lamps. 5500 lumen 70 cri for the F96T12. I have some of these lamps I got from them after their downgrade.

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Mar 19, 2018 at 09:09 PM Author: lightinglover8902
UPDATE: This fixture is still trying to start, also the two F32 T8 tubes are glowing still, except the one that still out.

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Probably used one ballast that used to running 3x F32T8.
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haha... I was thinking the next update would be that all the fixtures were converted to LED. lol

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Mar 20, 2018 at 06:43 AM Author: lightinglover8902
Soon they will. Sunday I went in, and they still have these retrofits.

I'll keep updating about this fixture.

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Are they throbbing meaning the ends are moving back and forth to the center of the tube

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I cant wait till led goes by the way side. These things are only fit for indicator lamps.

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Are they throbbing meaning the ends are moving back and forth to the center of the tube


No, its the ends are glowing, @F96T12 DD VHO. Like in preheat style. But like this continuously can wear the cathodes of the tube very quickly to EOL.

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UPDATE: Another one of these retrofits failed and they are doing the same thing, but at the pet section, of the Walmart.

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Apr 01, 2018 at 09:59 PM Author: BlueHalide
These retrofits use Fulham Workhorse ballasts, If I remember correctly the workhorse 5. Thats why you sometimes see odd EOL lamp behavior in Walmarts with these 3-lamp retrofits. The original fixtures that these "T8 trays" are fitted in, are in fact F96T12 slimline 75w with magnetic ballasts as mentioned above. The T12 ballast compartment cover is removed, and the wiring is simply disconnected from the T12 and connected to the T8.
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Apr 02, 2018 at 07:19 AM Author: lightinglover8902
Hmm, then that would lead me to a conclusion. If they are truly using Fulham ballasts, then they probably suck. I think Advance ballasts are better.

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I've heard a great deal about Fulham Workhorse ballasts being lamp killer type of ballasts (nice EOL shows)... I thought
those ballasts were strong and reliable but I'm guessing that might not be the case.

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Apr 02, 2018 at 03:10 PM Author: streetlight98
Fulham generally is top notch stuff. Their ballasts are designed rather uniquely too from what I understand. How old are these retrofits? If they're pushing ten years like most T8 retrofits, a few failures is not cause for declaring the ballasts "junk". Given the fact that they're electronic and run very long hours (if not 24/7), they've probably lasted their designed lifetime.

I've never seen such a retrofit at a WalMart. The ones here uses the staggered single lamp retrofits (two F32t8s per 8ft length with the ends overlapping)

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Apr 02, 2018 at 03:12 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Well they are electronic. Yet, I don't think the Fulham ballasts aren't being made anymore, due to the fact of this EOL show.

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Your comment makes no sense... " I don't think the Fulham ballasts aren't being made anymore, due to the fact of this EOL show." Putting aside the double negative, what does this EOL show have to do with them still being made or not?

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Apr 02, 2018 at 03:21 PM Author: lightinglover8902
I don't know, Advance ballasts are better. Plus they perform better run times then any other ballasts. Although, I haven't seen failures of Advance ballasts.

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The older Advance T8 ballasts were pretty good but the newer extra-thin ones are mediocre at best. Sylvania T8 ballasts are probably the best out there right now. I've hardly ever seen a failure of one of their 120-277v T8 ballasts. They're really nice. Their older 120V only T8 ballasts were junky but they're universal voltage ones are the best I've seen.

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Apr 02, 2018 at 03:30 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Yeah, I like those Sylvania ones. The Lowe's near me has the Sylvania ballasts.

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Probably not for long. I think they stopped selling the Sylvania/OSRAM ballasts when they stopped selling their lamps. Unless you meant they had them in use. Whenever I buy electronic T8 ballasts I always look for Sylvania ones. And when I buy new T8 lamps I buy GE. I think the two make a good combo. The latest GE fluorescents seem to be having more mercury-starved like behavior though. I noticed the T12 GEs struggle to start on magnetic RS for whatever reason. I thought it was just my ballasts but other brands don't have the same issues and others have noticed it too. I was GE-crazy my whole life but they're killing my respect for them little by little each day.

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I haven't seen one in use, but I did seen the Sylvania ones on the shelf, with those GE ProLine ballasts. I'm not even sure if those GE ProLine ballasts are any good.

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IDK about the GE ballasts since I haven;t dealt with them. They've gotta be better than Triad and accuPro though lol.

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Maybe I'll try one of those GE Proline ballasts, to see if they are good, ok.

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I have had good luck with both GE and Fulham ballasts both which are about three years old being used almost every day for 10-12 hours at a time

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Glad to hear the GE ballasts are decent (at least the ones you have). They have several variations that I haven't taken the time to figure out the differences between. The UltraMax and Proline ones come to mind...

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Hmm, maybe I'll try out those GE ballasts, to make T12 fixtures out of sheetmetal, especially the magnetic preheat, and rapid start ones.

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These retrofits use Fulham Workhorse ballasts, If I remember correctly the workhorse 5.
Workhorse 5 is instant-start.
This looks more like an EOL programmed start (the ballast - not lamps)

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The Walmart by me has multiple EOL ballasts doing various forms of dim flickery stuff .. don't know what ballasts they have, but must be programmed (or rapid) start since they're dimmable.


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I don't think the Fulham ballasts aren't being made anymore, due to the fact of this EOL show
Fulham is still around and making ballasts.


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Fulham Workhorse ballasts being lamp killer type of ballasts (nice EOL shows)...
I've got a WorkHorse 7, and it'll fry an EOL lamp in a matter of seconds

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Also in the Walmart that I went to Saturday, March 30th, a couple of these retrofits are out, and the one that is doing the same thing at the pet section.

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They put LEDs outside all the WalMarts here but haven't noticed any inside lights get retrofitted to LED. I've seen additions to the WalMarts here use LEDs though.

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Apr 02, 2018 at 08:03 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Well their flood lights are still being used in the parking lot at the Walmart in my area, above the GE Evolve LED parking lot lights. Plus they got relamped recently, with new 1kW metal halide cram lamps in it.

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The Walmart in my town half the light areally in the store.


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Apr 02, 2018 at 09:52 PM Author: BlueHalide
@xmaslightsguy, yes this does look like a programmed start ballast failure, but I am 100% certain these exact retrofits used the Fulham Workhorse ballasts, I saw these retrofits being installed in person, they had hundreds of them stacked up on pallets, all prewired with the same Fulham ballasts.

Maybe Walmart used different manufacturers for these retrofits in different parts of the country, and therefore potentially different ballast brands. Also, the local electrical contractors who walmart contracts out to service the lighting at the stores most certainly uses GE or Sylvania 3-lamp F32T8 ballasts, and not Fulham. I dont know of a single contractor who uses the Fulham line of products.
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Apr 02, 2018 at 10:25 PM Author: xmaslightguy
@BlueHalide:
I know Fulham does have programmed start versions of the Workhorse .. (no idea on if they make dimmable or not, but seeing this store has a ceiling, I'm assuming its not one of the stores with skylights & auto-dimming lights? so IS would be fine)

I haven't seen this particular retrofit kit used in any of the stores here .. one store had 2xF96 originally, but it was retrofitted with the more common 2-lamp ofset F32T8 setup. And that got upgraded to LED tubes a couple years ago.
The store closest to me was F32 from the start (and was also originally dimmable based on sunlight). That one is still fluorescent.

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Thinking about it, I have had a instant-start ballast (AAA brand) fail in a way where it stayed dim & occasionally flashed full-brightness...but brightness was even along the whole lamps. But it'd kill lamps in fairly short order. (which might be the key as to why the light in this pic has ran so long - its a partial discharge)

So yeah I guess this could be a failed instant-start (haven't had any Fulham ballasts fail myself..but also don't currently have any in use (have 4 I plan to install sometime though))

Its actually pretty interesting that you actually saw Fulham ballasts being installed..like you say that's not something you usually see.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 02:25 PM Author: lightinglover8902
UPDATE: One of these retrofit fixtures is about to fall! I didn't take a picture, because I might get caught.

I'll keep updating intill they put LED.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 02:34 PM Author: suzukir122
What's it doing?

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Apr 16, 2018 at 02:37 PM Author: lightinglover8902

What's it doing?


Its not this one, but one is hanging on one side with one wire hanging out.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 03:01 PM Author: streetlight98
Get caught? Who cares if you take a picture inside the store? People do it literally all the time.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 04:24 PM Author: RyanF40T12

Probably not for long. I think they stopped selling the Sylvania/OSRAM ballasts when they stopped selling their lamps. Unless you meant they had them in use. Whenever I buy electronic T8 ballasts I always look for Sylvania ones.


They will be labeled as Osram now. They stopped putting the Sylvania name on them last year. We just got 8 12 packs of em for my church buildings.

So far the Osram/Sylvania ballasts have been the most reliable vs the GE and Phillips/Advance. But we do get a bad one every now and then or one that only makes it a year or two. Not very common though.

The more you hate the LED movement, the stronger it becomes.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 04:36 PM Author: suzukir122
Regarding electronic ballasts, the only one that I have in my collection (technically) is a Philips/Advance centium "rapid start"
electronic ballast, meant for F34/40 watt T12's. This ballast came with my apartment complex... and so far it's been holding up
fairly well. Thing is, I've heard some bad things about centium advance ballasts... so I'll be keeping an eye out for any malfunctioning...
until I replace the ballast with a rare magnetic ballast I've found on Ebay. That should happen sometime soon.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 08:02 PM Author: lightinglover8902
I'll try to get a picture of the hanging fixture, when I can, and if its still hanging.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 08:15 PM Author: suzukir122
Wait... I'm just now realizing you're saying it's a hanging fixture. There is a strong possibility that
you're looking at the beginning of what could be an LED conversion.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 08:22 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Possible. Like I said, I try to see it its still hanging by its side. Its not this one, its another one but same but operating.

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Apr 16, 2018 at 08:26 PM Author: suzukir122
@Lightinglover8902, I read what you're saying and... not gonna lie... I'm a little bit confused in terms of what you're trying to say

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Apr 16, 2018 at 08:27 PM Author: lightinglover8902
You'll see it when I take a picture at it, ok.

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May 27, 2018 at 03:31 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Heres the damaged retrofit fixture that I was talking about.

https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2&pid=146880

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Nov 12, 2018 at 08:00 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Just an update: The tubes are EOL. And the fixture is now dead.

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Nov 12, 2018 at 08:30 PM Author: veryhighonoutput
They should do a single row of f96pg17 that be awesome! I cant deal with f32t8 anymore.

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Nov 13, 2018 at 08:31 AM Author: Powergroove
The lighting industry sucks any more. There is nothing new being manufactured now that I would waste my money on. The fact is they eliminate the best performing T12 to make T8 appear to be a better choice. Now they are eliminating the best performing T8 to make LEDismal appear to be a better choice.

Keep government out of the lighting industry.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 02:57 PM Author: lightinglover8902
UPDATE: Some of these fixtures now have these retrofit LED tubes. Now, half of these fixtures have regular fluorescent tubes.

https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=12246&pos=0&pid=157302

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Jul 07, 2019 at 06:28 AM Author: lightinglover8902
Another update: All of these fixtures now have Philips Instant-fit LED Tubes.

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Jul 08, 2019 at 09:00 AM Author: suzukir122
Welp... it was only a matter of time. No more reliability. That sucks dude

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Jul 08, 2019 at 12:13 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Well, that's just shows you that people when they switch to LED, they don't EVEN know that they fail... Its just garbage!

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Jul 08, 2019 at 12:18 PM Author: suzukir122
I was at the hospital earlier today after work. (ER) They laid me down into the patient chair and I stared up and found nothing
but LED "Troffers." The kind of LED's you have to literally replace the whole fixture, in order to successfully fix. These fixtures
were all throughout the hospital. Even the surgical lighting looked to be LED.

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