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LED light conversion at Target, vs remaining fluorescent. Comment away!

LED light conversion at Target, vs remaining fluorescent. Comment away!

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The troffer in the center still has fluorescent lamps. I noticed the LEDs have a greater blue content than the fluorescents, despite that they are both 3500K. Comment away!

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Jul 23, 2015 at 05:08 AM Author: rjluna2
Are those bulb unicasting instead of omnicasting?

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Jul 23, 2015 at 09:59 AM Author: DetroitTwoStroke
Looking at the wall near the fixtures, the fluorescents are significantly brighter than the LEDs.

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Jul 23, 2015 at 04:06 PM Author: streetlight98
Yes, the difference is very noticeable. The place I work spot-relamps with LED tubes instead of F32T8s. They'll wait for the whole fixture to go out and put LED tubes in. Or if there's only one bad lamp, they replace both with LED tubes. The LED troffers and wraps stick out against the fluorescents since they're not as yellow. I actually prefer the color of the LEDs they're using compared to the fluorescents (4100K or 5000K depending on the area) but the LEDs they're using tend to cast jagged undefined shadows since there's hundreds of individual light sources instead of one homogeneous source.

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Jul 23, 2015 at 04:40 PM Author: Ash
The average of "lots of blue at single narrow band" and "lots of orange in single wide band" is same as the average of "lil' violet" + "blue" + "green" + "yellow" + "orange" (with multiple smaller peaks & bands in each color)

And that exactly is why the CCT of LED & Fluorescent may be the same, while the blue content is by far not....
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Jul 23, 2015 at 08:07 PM Author: Patrick
My target also has LED. Your picture is better. Mine is a bit washed out and you can't see the lamps clearly. At the store by me they have a mixture of the new troffers with LED, the new troffers with fluorescent, and the old fluorescent troffers. Any idea what kind of LED solution Target is using? They don't look like retrofit tubes, maybe some kind of LED strip covered by a diffuser.

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Jul 24, 2015 at 07:10 PM Author: Alights
Interesting photo,shows led isn't really suitable..I'd bet they save 5-10W at most at the expense of less light too I see new led troffers at home depot now and they look like they have led tubes inside,doesn't look as good as a true led fixture But not terrible like some retofits
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Jul 26, 2015 at 04:26 PM Author: Patrick
I didn't really mind these. Not shopping at Target often, it took me a minute before I realized they weren't fluorescent. The store seemed bright enough to me, and glare wasn't bad like it can be with retrofit tubes. However, I don't see much benefit either, particularly if the fluorescents they're converting are new.

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Jul 26, 2015 at 05:10 PM Author: streetlight98
It helps that these fixtures are louvered but the parabolic troffers cut more glare than these things IMO. 18-cell parabolic 2X4 three lamp troffers are my favorite troffers. I also like the ones with lots of tiny cubes but those aren't parabolic.

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Jul 27, 2015 at 11:12 PM Author: rapidstart
The car park in the local shopping mall has been retro-fitted with LED tubes replacing 58w & 36w T8 fluorescent tubes. It wasn't a case of only replacing the EOL fluoros, they went through and did the lot. The only fittings they did not touch were the emergency ones. I assume a whole lot of working T8 fluoros ended in the dumpster. To me, the car park does not seem as bright as it used to be when lit by the fluorescents. Maybe it is to do with the LED tube light output being focused mainly downward or they are just not as bright as the fluoros, or a combination of this

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Jul 28, 2015 at 02:31 AM Author: Ash
It is to do with the LED actually giving out less light, as much as half of the fluorescent is not uncommon....
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Jul 28, 2015 at 02:47 AM Author: streetlight98
Yeah that's what gets me. If it wanted to reduce energy by lowering brightness, I'd just use a lower wattage of the existing lamp type or in the case of fluorescents, loose a lamp in three lamp fixtures or reduce ballast factor and use energy-saving lamps in two-lamp fixtures.

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Jul 29, 2015 at 08:00 PM Author: ricksbulbs
1800 lumens for the LED junk VS 2300 or more for the fluorescents. These 4 foot LED lamps put out no more light than my 2 foot 20 watt T-12 preheat fixtures! Today, it is LED or NOTHING. Frankly, NOTHING is better, because LED is rubbish. they also distort vision badly---the brand new Wal Mart near me, in the location of the Mall I was an electrician for in 2001 to 2003, now demoed, has LED fixtures--some weird 8 foot abominations with a single row of upward facing LED's with a reflector above for indirect type lighting, my guess Philips or CREE rubbish, and these are about 1/4 to 1/3 as bright as the 2 lamp T-8 fluorescents in the other Wal-Mart in Clifton park. They are somewhere around 3500K too. The new store looks DISMAL day or night, and has skylights like the CP store has. When the LED's dim when the sun comes out, the LED's dim so fast they disorient you, and the areas not under skylights, between them end up so dimly and dismally lighted that the store looks like a cave with strong sunlight overhead! The LED's have a real issue with producing a wavelength that acts like a BLB fluorescent does when it fluoresces your corneas when you look at it. This blurs and makes distance viewing of items and signs on the shelves impossible until you get close to the said shelf! Items on the shelves are also cloaked in darkness from the LED's famous sharp cut off! And this is from supposed "indirect" units! Even with white semi-gloss or flat reflectors over them, you can see all the spots from the individual LED's. I'll venture a guess these use almost as much power as the 2 lamp T-8 units in the Clifton park store! The difference in amount and quality of light and seeing ability is 100% night and day between the LED and Fluorescent systems! LED's are RUBBISH!!! And now GE has officially desecrated the venerable Bright Stik brand name with a dismal, as dim as a 15 watt incandescent, but rated to be "60 watt equivalent" LED abomination in a "T" shaped plastic "bulb" with the Bright Stik brand on it because GE has no more REAL engineers and just slaps the Bright Stik trademark on Chinese rubbish they probably found on Alibaba! I am IRATE! I have all the laboratory prototypes of the REAL Bright Stik, on my collection, all one-offs, and the only ones in existence, given to me by a retired GE engineer, who worked on developing this fluorescent unit! I also have one of the very first Bright Stiks ever to be on local store shelves! I have the original box, a little rough around the edges but still intact, and the Bright Stik, still working, and on lamp # 6 or 7 I guess! (Yes, they CAN be relamped!) I am offended that GE has the BALLS to out the Bright Stik name on LED rubbish. I even told the greeter, who was trying to get me to buy some of these pieces of crap, to shove it up his A@#---because GOOD things don't HURT! I have officially put GE on my SH#T list, and wish LG members would not post pics of LED junk they bought--keep the rubbish to yourselves. Showing how bad LED istallations are, like Dave D here is OK by me, but showing the "latest, greatest" piece of LED trash you just bought is getting OLD--FAST. I am getting an "itch" to just coast by the LED bulb displays at Home Cheapo and Blowe's and extend my hand and take out about 2 or 3 thousand dollars' worth of this detritus, and say "OH, MY! Sorry! I was riding by, and---well my backrest somehow got too close and knocked all those WONDERFUL Government-Mandated LED bulbs to the floor,and--OH MY!---they all BROKE!!" "I am SO SORRY!" then before I start laughing hysterically, say "Well, I have to go, things to do!" and quickly leave. I am to that point--these LED bulbs are pushing ALL types of bulbs aside. Incandescent, fluorescent, HID--they are all doomed if we don;t stop this madness. The liberals in Washington, the greedy corporations like GE, Phileeps, Cree, etc, and the filthy stinking slobs called lobbyists these companies hire to push this bogus agenda all are to blame for these "devices" which puts these in the same class as cell phones, iPads, and TV's, and should NOT be sold in the light bulb aisles! They are Home Electronics" not "bulbs". OH--and that brand new Wal-mart? Well the parking lot lights are brand new probe start quartz arc tube, "cram lamp" 1000 watt metal halides! The manager told me they refuse to use LED in the lots anymore, they are too unreliable, and put NO light on the ground and create hazards! The interior LED rubbish was forced by NYSERDA--look it up, who is in cahoots with National Grid, who partially finds NYSERDA, who told the builders they HAD to install these subsidized LED bulbs, or the wiring will not pass final inspection of anything other than LED is installed, and therefore National "Greed" would then refuse to connect power until the "offending" (fluorescent!) fixtures installed against NYSERDA regulations were removed, destroyed, and LED's installed, and NO LED retrofit lamps either! Real bast3rds, eh? he almost didn't allow the power to be connected because of the use of MH lights in the parking lot, but decided to "allow" it because they used LED in the store. Some fluorescents were still out in---in the entry vestibules, and over the HBA section because the LED's obviously cannot light that area worth crap! This is what it is coming to---next, the power companies will yank the power drop to your house (cut it at the feed end) until you "comply" with the "new rules" (from the New World Order!) and retrofit EVERY light in your abode with LED trash. and you watch, they WILL go after out hoarded stashes of incandescents, older fluorescents, HID, etc, and confiscate our bulb collections as well. LED will be the ONLY light source allowed. I am fed up to the top of my head, and am about to rebel big time. what the heck has happened to being free to use whatever lights you want? Now stores carry 99% LED and tough SH#T if you cannot find a bulb you need---if it ain't LED it AIN'T AVAILABLE. LED's are RUBBISH. End of story. Cheers. Rick D.
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Jul 29, 2015 at 08:54 PM Author: FGS
Rick Delair: "I am getting an "itch" to just coast by the LED bulb displays at Home Cheapo and Blowe's and extend my hand and take out about 2 or 3 thousand dollars' worth of this detritus, and say "OH, MY! Sorry! I was riding by, and---well my backrest somehow got too close and knocked all those WONDERFUL Government-Mandated LED bulbs to the floor,and--OH MY!---they all BROKE!!" "I am SO SORRY!" then before I start laughing hysterically, say "Well, I have to go, things to do!" and quickly leave."

Threatening to vandalize someone's property are we? Need a reminder? Security cameras will see your arm outstretched shoving them out of their shelves. Besides they're mostly plastic and metal so a majority (99% or so) will survive your criminal vandalism. Any glass ones will break, but their packaging will increase their chances of surviving. So mebbe $250 or less loss for the store. And $1000+ fines and jail time for you Rick Delair.

Many stores around my area still carry other light sources along with LEDs. So what's and where's the 99% LEDs lamp aisle store you speak of?

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


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Jul 29, 2015 at 09:34 PM Author: Silverliner
My personal preference remains with fluorescent to this day. I've seen too many LED conversions that cut down on light levels and I find that annoying! Some purpose built LED fixtures are as bright as fluorescent, however.

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Jul 29, 2015 at 11:21 PM Author: Ash
I seen what happens whan kids try to smash a LED tube. The tube is bent in half and they stare at it and scratching their heads
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Sep 06, 2015 at 07:37 PM Author: Lumex120
Well, at least they hate them too...

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