1800 lumens for the LED junk VS 2300 or more for the fluorescents. These 4 foot LED lamps put out no more light than my 2 foot 20 watt T-12 preheat fixtures! Today, it is LED or NOTHING. Frankly, NOTHING is better, because LED is rubbish. they also distort vision badly---the brand new Wal Mart near me, in the location of the Mall I was an electrician for in 2001 to 2003, now demoed, has LED fixtures--some weird 8 foot abominations with a single row of upward facing LED's with a reflector above for indirect type lighting, my guess Philips or CREE rubbish, and these are about 1/4 to 1/3 as bright as the 2 lamp T-8 fluorescents in the other Wal-Mart in Clifton park. They are somewhere around 3500K too. The new store looks DISMAL day or night, and has skylights like the CP store has. When the LED's dim when the sun comes out, the LED's dim so fast they disorient you, and the areas not under skylights, between them end up so dimly and dismally lighted that the store looks like a cave with strong sunlight overhead! The LED's have a real issue with producing a wavelength that acts like a BLB fluorescent does when it fluoresces your corneas when you look at it. This blurs and makes distance viewing of items and signs on the shelves impossible until you get close to the said shelf! Items on the shelves are also cloaked in darkness from the LED's famous sharp cut off! And this is from supposed "indirect" units! Even with white semi-gloss or flat reflectors over them, you can see all the spots from the individual LED's. I'll venture a guess these use almost as much power as the 2 lamp T-8 units in the Clifton park store! The difference in amount and quality of light and seeing ability is 100% night and day between the LED and Fluorescent systems! LED's are RUBBISH!!! And now GE has officially desecrated the venerable Bright Stik brand name with a dismal, as dim as a 15 watt incandescent, but rated to be "60 watt equivalent" LED abomination in a "T" shaped plastic "bulb" with the Bright Stik brand on it because GE has no more REAL engineers and just slaps the Bright Stik trademark on Chinese rubbish they probably found on Alibaba! I am IRATE! I have all the laboratory prototypes of the REAL Bright Stik, on my collection, all one-offs, and the only ones in existence, given to me by a retired GE engineer, who worked on developing this fluorescent unit! I also have one of the very first Bright Stiks ever to be on local store shelves! I have the original box, a little rough around the edges but still intact, and the Bright Stik, still working, and on lamp # 6 or 7 I guess! (Yes, they CAN be relamped!) I am offended that GE has the BALLS to out the Bright Stik name on LED rubbish. I even told the greeter, who was trying to get me to buy some of these pieces of crap, to shove it up his A@#---because GOOD things don't HURT! I have officially put GE on my SH#T list, and wish LG members would not post pics of LED junk they bought--keep the rubbish to yourselves. Showing how bad LED istallations are, like Dave D here is OK by me, but showing the "latest, greatest" piece of LED trash you just bought is getting OLD--FAST. I am getting an "itch" to just coast by the LED bulb displays at Home Cheapo and Blowe's and extend my hand and take out about 2 or 3 thousand dollars' worth of this detritus, and say "OH, MY! Sorry! I was riding by, and---well my backrest somehow got too close and knocked all those WONDERFUL Government-Mandated LED bulbs to the floor,and--OH MY!---they all BROKE!!" "I am SO SORRY!" then before I start laughing hysterically, say "Well, I have to go, things to do!" and quickly leave. I am to that point--these LED bulbs are pushing ALL types of bulbs aside. Incandescent, fluorescent, HID--they are all doomed if we don;t stop this madness. The liberals in Washington, the greedy corporations like GE, Phileeps, Cree, etc, and the filthy stinking slobs called lobbyists these companies hire to push this bogus agenda all are to blame for these "devices" which puts these in the same class as cell phones, iPads, and TV's, and should NOT be sold in the light bulb aisles! They are Home Electronics" not "bulbs". OH--and that brand new Wal-mart? Well the parking lot lights are brand new probe start quartz arc tube, "cram lamp" 1000 watt metal halides! The manager told me they refuse to use LED in the lots anymore, they are too unreliable, and put NO light on the ground and create hazards! The interior LED rubbish was forced by NYSERDA--look it up, who is in cahoots with National Grid, who partially finds NYSERDA, who told the builders they HAD to install these subsidized LED bulbs, or the wiring will not pass final inspection of anything other than LED is installed, and therefore National "Greed" would then refuse to connect power until the "offending" (fluorescent!) fixtures installed against NYSERDA regulations were removed, destroyed, and LED's installed, and NO LED retrofit lamps either! Real bast3rds, eh? he almost didn't allow the power to be connected because of the use of MH lights in the parking lot, but decided to "allow" it because they used LED in the store. Some fluorescents were still out in---in the entry vestibules, and over the HBA section because the LED's obviously cannot light that area worth crap! This is what it is coming to---next, the power companies will yank the power drop to your house (cut it at the feed end) until you "comply" with the "new rules" (from the New World Order!) and retrofit EVERY light in your abode with LED trash. and you watch, they WILL go after out hoarded stashes of incandescents, older fluorescents, HID, etc, and confiscate our bulb collections as well. LED will be the ONLY light source allowed. I am fed up to the top of my head, and am about to rebel big time. what the heck has happened to being free to use whatever lights you want? Now stores carry 99% LED and tough SH#T if you cannot find a bulb you need---if it ain't LED it AIN'T AVAILABLE. LED's are RUBBISH. End of story. Cheers. Rick D.