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Abandoned Elba

Abandoned Elba

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On an old industrial site. These luminaires can still be found alive also in Germany, like this one.

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Aug 16, 2019 at 02:55 AM Author: Ash
Very few of them made it to Israel in the 70s, i dont know how - I dont think Israel was buying anything from the Eastern bloc

One is in my collection - PVB7Atip from 70s Originally 2x250 MBF, was converted to 1x150 SON in 1988. I picked it in 2015
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Aug 16, 2019 at 04:08 AM Author: kai
Such conversions, replaced now, existed also in the streetlighting system of Dresden.
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Aug 16, 2019 at 06:03 AM Author: monkeyface
@kai, did such streetlights exist in the DDR with two lamps which one is a HPS and one MV?
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Aug 16, 2019 at 02:24 PM Author: kai
In the GDR not anyway I think, all these conversions had been made only after 1990. And any mixture can certainly be ruled out: All such conversions from MV to HPS were complete. At least I have never seen a case where the assumed mixture didn't at the second look turn out to be a faulty HPS lamp...
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Aug 22, 2019 at 04:11 AM Author: Hyperlynx
Exports between "Capitalist" and "Socialist" *** blocks were extreme rare in 60's and 70's but some of them existed. For example if have seen one SIEMENS ALH-50 in Estonia (ex-USSR), I have also seen LBL Mandoline one time in Sweden.

You also find some old DDR, Polish, etc... fixtures in Africa.

They were more frequent in 80's (some PHILIPS HGS and SRS in DDR and Poland, TUNGSRAM-SCHREDER founded in Hungary in 1983, etc...).

I have seen one ELBA PVB-7 in Belgium and in West Germany also but they should have been imported by LBL (LEIPZIGER LEUCHTEN) in 90's.

*** Yugoslavia and Albania non included, were the situation was different.

http://phozagora.free.fr

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Dec 31, 2019 at 06:13 AM Author: kai
Philips luminaires imported into the GDR? Now I would be really curious where they have been installed and why. Such a purchase would be remarkable, to say the least, because debts in hard currency were the primary economic problem and replacing imports payable in real money a top priority. It would not have been easy to justify imports of mainstream lighting equipment, with domestic products really meeting the demands.

The other way round LBL products have been offered for purchase outside the Comecon, a related brochure used to be online but seems to be hidden behind a login now. These trades were not done by LBL or their parent combine themselves but by a separate company.

PVB-7 in Belgium and FRG are not a too big surprise: Experiences here are that this was a quality product, unlike many other things made in Romania (diesel locomotives, as an example, are known as a disaster both here and in Poland).

Sightings in Africa are yet another story, with the key word being foreign aid. Another possibility are simple commercial orders. Here a crane facility had been built by a Czech company, and so it was already back then no surprise to me that it was lit by Elektrosvit Ambassador luminaires (and it should be a save guess to add: until the first relamping with Tesla lamps).
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Dec 31, 2019 at 10:41 AM Author: Hyperlynx
I have pictured these PHILIPS HDS 201 in Magdeburg : http://phozagora.free.fr/lumpic/lumweuro/DE_Magdeburg34.jpg

I have also seen some PHILIPS HGS 201 between Berlin and the Polish border.

In Poland, you find some PHILIPS HGS, especially in Poznan :
http://phozagora.free.fr/lumpic/lumweure/PL_Poznan09.jpg
http://phozagora.free.fr/lumpic/lumweure/PL_Poznan15.jpg
http://phozagora.free.fr/lumpic/lumweure/PL_Poznan17.jpg

These PHILIPS HDS and HGS appeared in 1974 and have been discontinued around 1985.

I think that among all these PHILIPS Marbella (SGS 203, SGS 204 range...) you find in DDR and Poland, some of them have been installed before 1989.

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Dec 31, 2019 at 10:46 AM Author: Hyperlynx
In DDR, I have seen old LBL and Bergner & Weiser lanterns as well. I have also seen some MESKO, EKA, ELBA and SVETLINA products.

However I have never seen ELGO nor ELEKTROSVIT lanterns there. I don't know if some of them exist in Germany.

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