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Ya-Ming HPI400/ED/UPS

Ya-Ming HPI400/ED/UPS

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This interesting Metal Halide lamp displays Ya-Ming's contemporary logo. Not being able to read simplified Chinese characters, I would have not recognized it as Ya-Ming had it not been for the "1923" in bold type, the year the company was founded by the Ya family in ShagHai and which always has featured prominently as part of most of the Ya-Ming logos I have previously seen. The main logo itself has been reduced to a mere "s" like squigle from the previous "Chung" character inside a circle.

(If you ever see the words "Made in China" on a product, and is is also marked in their characters next to it, then you will see the two characters, "Ghung-Guo" or "Centre-Country" ....meaning their own country. "China" is a exonym we use. The "Chung" character is easily recognizable...looks like the profile of a CDM arc tube, bur short and squat with a line across the top and bottom. This was Ya-Ming's previous logo.)

What is interesting here is that although this lamp is Chinese...now we all know that's not uncommon, (and that's the understatement of the year) however seeing a LOCAL MARKET version which has "escaped" their country is rather uncommon!~

This lamp had been HEAVILY INFLUENCED by a manufacturer that is far better known to all of us but I.m not saying who that is. I will leave it a few weeks for comments to build up and see if anybody else can s=tell who it is.

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Manufacturer:Brand, Ya-Ming, Manufacturer, Jia Ding, Company, Ya-Ming Jia Ding Ltd.
Model Reference:HPI400/ED/UPS
Lamp
Lamp Type:Scandium Chemistry Metal Halide
Filament/Radiator Type:Plasma
Base:E40/45A With White Unglazed Ceramic
Shape/Finish:ED-120 x 285mm White Yttrium Orthovabadate/Orthophosphate Phosphor
Service Life:Estimated 10,000h
Electrical
Wattage:400
Optical
Color Temperature:Suspect 4000
Color Rendering Index:Suspect 80
Physical/Production
Dimensions:120mm dia., 285mm tall
Factory Location:Jia Ding, ShangHai, 31* 21' 15.3" N, 121* 16' 31.2" E
Fabrication Date:March (or Third Quarter?) 2010
Application/Use:Highbay

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Dec 02, 2019 at 05:04 AM Author: dor123
The arctube looks very similar to that of Venture quartz MH lamps.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Dec 03, 2019 at 01:25 AM Author: James
Very interesting lamp Andrew! But the commercial history behind it is even more interesting and almost unbelievable.

This lamp is from the second Yaming company. The original Yaming company was bought by Philips to form P&Y Lighting in Malu, which resulted in a new factory being built and many staff moving a short distance to that new location. The Chinese government profited very greatly from the sale of that company. And since the Chinese are good at copying things that work well, they decided to do it again

The original Yaming factory was abandoned by Philips once its new plant was opened, but it was resurrected by the state and many key staff were enticed back from Philips to very quickly rebuild the new company (called Yaming Since 1923, since they could not use the origibal Ya-brand logo which had been sold to Philips). Nevertheless practically no customers knew the difference between the then-operating “Yaming” and “Yaming Since 1923”. This created a very formidable new competitor against the Philips-owned P&Y. And within a few years the government sold that again to Venture’s parent ADLT to create Y&L Lighting. That still operates on the original Yaming site and explains the design of this more recent Venture-influenced lamp.

It is almost beyond belief that the Chinese government then dit it a third time. Venture did not acquire the full rights to the Yaming Since 1923 brand, so the third Yaming lamp company was rebuilt using that name, and of course picking out the best bits of the Philips and Venture IP. Their new factory was established in Jiangsu. A few years later that company had risen to great strength and it was partly sold to Havells of India (then owners of Sylvania) to form Jiangsu Sylvania Lighting.

Finally now it seems that the state has calmed down a bit and probably there won’t be a fourth iteration of the Yaming company. This is because most recently, in part based on the cash they earned from selling Yaming three times, Yaming’s parent company Feilo Acoustics became richer and purchased Sylvania outright from Havells, to form the current global business FeiloSylvania of which the Yaming factory is one of its subsidiaries.
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Dec 03, 2019 at 02:38 AM Author: Andy
That is an almost unbelievable history of the companies James!

I did think that the shadow of the arc tube looked very much like a Venture product.

I'm always interested in exchanging lamps - message me to see what we can do! :)

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Dec 03, 2019 at 04:05 AM Author: dor123
There are several SON-E/I 70W lamps from the Yaming factory owned by FeiloSylvania, that has been installed inside several AEG Koffer 70 lantern here in Kiryat Ata: https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161256

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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Dec 03, 2019 at 06:59 AM Author: Globe Collector
Yes guys, you all spotted it of course....the Venture Influence.


Thanks for the history James, I wondered why there were so many lamp plants in that MaLu, Jia Ding area. The restarting by the Chinese Government does not surprise me at all, afterall any company silly enough to even consider doing anything in China can consider its IP lost almost instantly.

I have noticed that big players like Philips only ever let concerns like P and Y make relatively dated legacy stuff and kept all the "good stuff" back at places like Turnhout.....but these days it is all a moot point.

For me, here in Tasmania, I procured a lot of HID from the State-Run electricity authority, but now that's been partially privatized and all lamp work is done by contractors, getting any samples is near impossible. I did get to see what they changed and there were loads of Chinese Sylvania, but just unable to procure any...its not that they won't let you have any, they just won't answer the door to you or reply to any e-mails, they just treat you with blind indifference so you just don't know what to do next...all very cleverly psychologically engineered, of that I am certain.

That is the "name of the game" now here in Australia...disempowerment by a million tiny psychological cuts.

This is the primary reason I have no Chinese Sylvania stuff in the collection to study. Frustrating thing is, their yard is just 300m from my home!

In 2022 the last remaining HPS will go, and that will be the end of collecting from primary sources here, I'm sure they will still trickle in from auctions and tip shops for a while longer.

Manufactured articles should be made to be used, not made to be sold!

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Dec 03, 2019 at 11:08 AM Author: Daniel f
very nice story !!! very pretty bulb
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Dec 03, 2019 at 04:42 PM Author: Globe Collector
Yes, Daniel...Venture had some interesting and very stylish arc tube designs.

Sí, Daniel ... Venture tenia alguns dissenys d'arc interessants i molt elegants.

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Nov 01, 2020 at 10:03 PM Author: Globe Collector
UPDATE:

I'm sure everybody knows the Hua-Wei telco scandal involving their C.E.O., "Princess" Mung...being held in Canada under house arrest and the two Canadian Michaels being held without charge in China as a "tit for tat" response....typical childish response of the Chinese reigme...well this Ya-Ming/Philips/Venture story are just two of many Western companies lured to China by the cheap/slave labour...with which we western countries can't compete...and even less so when O, H and S decrees are added on top.

Just bear this in mind...two things about China for the unwary...

1. The Chinese Central Communist Party ALWAYS holds a MAJORITY shareholding in any "private" company in China...Ya-Ming or Hua-Wei or any other. (So in dealing with ANY Chinese company, you are actually dealing with the Chinese Central Communist Party.)

2. All property in China is on an 80 year lease from the Chinese Central Communist Party, so you can't even own your own house or business premises....hence the "Ghost Cities" in China.

This You Tuber has it pretty spot-on. I lived in Viet Nam for about a year, and 95% of his experiences in his 15 years in China match most of my experiences in Viet Nam exactly.

Manufactured articles should be made to be used, not made to be sold!

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