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Got this at an estate sale the other day. It works fully but the ballast is very loud.

When i got it both starters were stuck, and one starter was even an fs 2... when the starter stuck, it actually melted part of the bakelite start socket...

Surprisingly, there is no tar anywhere probably because it's top mounted.

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Jul 31, 2016 at 06:32 PM Author: nicksfans
I've encountered a slightly melted starter socket before too. The starter that was in it got VERY hot when it was installed and power was applied.

I like my lamps thick, my ballasts heavy, and my fixtures tough.

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Jul 31, 2016 at 06:41 PM Author: good223
I think this one melted and got hot because the connection to the starter socket was loose. Three screws terminal was so lose i could turn it with my finger nail.
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Jul 31, 2016 at 11:10 PM Author: Solanaceae
Nice! Looks like top of fixture mount ballast with bottom entry wires.

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Aug 08, 2016 at 01:19 PM Author: DieselNut
Rare find indeed and the "cheaper" version of the same fixture I have eight of. This is the "little sister" to the Westinghouse 2x90/100 T17s I have. Here, you can see the "raceway" and backwired, top mounted ballast setup is identical to yours. Mine have the porcelain coated metal reflectors though.
http://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-81139
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Aug 08, 2016 at 01:55 PM Author: good223
The porcelain reflectors look a lot better than the wood fiber one. I bet if i repaint mine i could get it close to the porcelain look.

I noticed yours has the semi Y lamp holders on your f40 one. Mine has 2 tombstones and i presume it originally had 2 others at the other end until they were replaced.

The ballast on mine is extremely loud. Any advise on how to make it quieter?
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Aug 08, 2016 at 03:00 PM Author: DieselNut
The sockets on all mine seem to be original. They all match. To make the ballast less noisy, you can try some washers between the ballast "ears" and the fixture housing, where the screw goes through. Many of my old Miller fixtures are mounted that way. Be very careful, as the wires are going to be stiff and brittle. They will last practically forever if they are not disturbed and kept dry.

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Aug 08, 2016 at 06:42 PM Author: good223
What about refilling the ballast with tar?

How hard is it to do and is it worth it?
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Aug 08, 2016 at 08:01 PM Author: DieselNut
It would be a booger on that one. The backward ballasts are unique and very rare. I would let it be as much as possible, use it when needed, like in a display or in a storage area, always with quick starters and good full power tubes. It is not worth messing up a working vintage mid 40s ballast to try to "fix" it. I have a GE "Tulamp" 2x40 ballast that buzzes like crazy in a fixture in my shop. It is over a storage area. I use those lights a few times a week for a few minutes at a time usually. It has worked flawlessly since the 1940s to this day! Loud ballasts have a unique "character" too!

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Aug 08, 2016 at 08:05 PM Author: good223
Yeah i figured it was risky. I'll just leave it alone. I mounted it in the garage this weekend but it's not hooked up the main circuit, so it will only be used when necessary.

I'm also running EFS600 pulse starters from the uk and westy blackenders.
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Aug 08, 2016 at 08:15 PM Author: don93s
I have a couple of ballasts that are noisy...oddly, they are fairly new (NOS). In the past, I have had luck replacing the internal capacitors using a heat lamp to slowly melt away the tar after I opened it and left it on its side to let tar run out but it requires care because if the lamp is too close, the tar will start to smoke and burn. In that case, I covered the coils with a sheet of aluminum to block the heat and only exposed the cap section.

The last one I did was a vintage potted choke ballast that was very buzzy so I drilled away the crimps and loosened the 'ears' on the flanges and flipped it upside down and put the heat lamp on it until it was too hot to touch. I then carefully removed the backing plate (gloves, prying tool)...if the potting hadn't been melted inside, the removal of the backing plate would have ripped the internal leads out of the coils because part of the potting tar was stuck to the plate. After plate was removed, I noticed that there was a huge air space inside where the potting wasn't completely filled, thus, exposed part of coil and core. I then heated up a hot plate and a pan with chunks of potting from another ballast (a new one defective with fresh potting) but keep in mind that it will make a stinky odor. After it was liquid, I poured it into ballast and then put the heat lamp back on ballast to let new potting fully melt in. After reassembly, it was quieter than most normal ballasts!

If you don't want to open it, just put the heat lamp on the back side (ballast upside down) and get it extremely hot and see if the potting inside melts properly into the vibration points. It can get hot like this without power since there will be no internal coil arcing while the potting is hot and the heat shouldn't travel all the way to the core.
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Aug 08, 2016 at 08:21 PM Author: funkybulb
I would not use pulse starters on a westy tube
As those tend to instant start the tubes.

No LED gadgets, spins too slowly.  Gotta  love preheat and MV. let the lights keep my meter spinning.

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Aug 08, 2016 at 08:56 PM Author: good223
@don93s
I'll keep that in mind if i use it more often but for now I'll leave it alone.

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I think they're preheating correctly. They glow visibly for a few seconds.
Here's a video showing them starting up.
http://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3601&pos=0&pid=123609
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Aug 08, 2016 at 11:21 PM Author: don93s
For sure. There's never a guarantee that trying to "fix" it will even work, lol. Plus, just wanted to add that I did my ballast re-potting on a concrete floor with no combustible materials nearby.
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Nov 27, 2016 at 12:19 AM Author: ace100w120v
Don, it's ironic you mention that while I'm relating a story to Nick on another tab about a welding shop fire in a wood building with no fire suppression. (It came up while mentioning never getting to see how long the LED retrofit tubes there lasted since the place burned).
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