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Disappointing GE LEDs

Disappointing GE LEDs

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It seems just like the US-made Sylvania LEDs, these US-made GE LEDs are turning out to be really disappointing, both LEDs died within two months of installation.

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Manufacturer:General Electric
Model Reference:LED8NA19M/SW9GWQ
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Lamp Type:Light Emitting Diode
Filament/Radiator Type:Semiconductor
Base:E26
Shape/Finish:A19
Service Life:Less than 200h
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Wattage:8.5W
Voltage:120v
Current:110mA
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Factory Location:Bucyrus, OH

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Oct 17, 2020 at 01:44 PM Author: takemorepills
"Made in USA" is a misnomer.
The USA does NOT have any "filament LED" manufacturing facilities at all.
These are "Assembled in USA" using Chinese filament LEDs and I guarantee that "GE" had no engineering input on the LEDs, they are just from some Chinese vendor.

We have dozens of the "Ecosmart" brand filament LED at work, they all died this exact same way in a short time. I would bet that the Ecosmarts, GEs and Sylvanias all use the same source for the filament LED.
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Oct 17, 2020 at 01:59 PM Author: AngryHorse
Yeah, the Chinese have all this tech, however, you have to get the right Chinese manufacturers for a decent made LED lamp, like these guys, http://www.stll.com/about.html, we have DIALL branded lamps here made by these guys, and I’ve never had a bad one yet!

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Oct 17, 2020 at 02:02 PM Author: joseph_125
Hmm I guessing imported filaments and made into lamps using the old incandescent machinery in the USA. I've noticed some products are a bit more specific and say something like "Made in USA with global components" basically imported parts, final assembly done in the US.

I think the Feit ones use the same supplier too, I've had one die in a similar way in a traffic signal.
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Oct 17, 2020 at 02:18 PM Author: takemorepills

Hmm I guessing imported filaments and made into lamps using the old incandescent machinery in the USA. I've noticed some products are a bit more specific and say something like "Made in USA with global components" basically imported parts, final assembly done in the US.

I think the Feit ones use the same supplier too, I've had one die in a similar way in a traffic signal.


Yup, we were using the Ecosmarts in our vintage traffic signal displays at work. Didn't even get 2 months out of them before they began dying en masse.
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Oct 17, 2020 at 02:18 PM Author: High Intensity
The issue with the Sylvania LEDs was the annealed part of the glass would fail and cause air to leak into the bulb and overheat the filaments.

The Feit LEDs are likely made by multiple manufactures, as i've seen huge quality differences in those lamps depending on where they came from.

It really seems like GE no longer take pride in their lamps, i mean, look how the glass near the base of the right lamp is misshaped, it really looks like they don't care.

Old lighting is, and will always be, the best lighting.

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Oct 18, 2020 at 02:22 AM Author: joseph_125
Hmm the Feits I used fared better. One died after around 8 months but the rest were still going fine. Granted I run my signals on average for 1-2 hours per day so probablly a lot less use compared to the ones at your workplace. I've noticed different variations in filament length and arrangement in the 800 lumen Feit filament lamps. I guess different OEMs.

I've switched back to using 60w clear rough service incandescent lamps though. I can still get the proper 69WTS bulbs from a local supplier but I find them too expensive and run too hot compared to 60w lamps to use.
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Oct 18, 2020 at 02:55 AM Author: James
The problem with the USA-made filament lamps is that the HQ’s of these companies require their local factories to produce at same cost or less as sourcing from Chinese vendors. That is possible due to reduction in transport costs and import duties, but the pressure on cost is always there and forces the factories to cut corners to save half a cent here and there. This increases the risk of quality transgressions, especially for the first production batches before everything is stabilised. That applies to almost any manufactured goods, never buy a product less than about a year old if you want the best quality!

GE did seem to have substantial input in designing the filament and lamp according to their own specs. There isn’t really such a thing as a standard LED filament, they are nearly always custom-built to suit the individual requirements of the lampmaker. The dimensions, chip type, size and spacing, substrate material, phosphor blend and type of end contacts have to be refined to suit each outer envelope.

Regarding use in traffic signals, the small enclosed volume with reflector causes them to heat up more than usual. Some types are also more sensitive to horizontal burning, these lamps are mainly designed for vertical use. You may get better results with a lower power version.
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Oct 18, 2020 at 04:03 AM Author: dor123
Why that LED filament lamps would be more sensitive to horizontal burning?

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Oct 18, 2020 at 04:29 AM Author: Silverliner
One of the USA GE LED filaments used outdoors failed after 2 months in dusk to dawn service. The other two are still going strong. Time will tell.

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Oct 18, 2020 at 04:41 AM Author: Silverliner
Oh, I also have some Feit, USA Sylvania and Philips filament LEDs in use nightly. One Sylvania went and one of the Philips Warm Glows has a partial failure, only the 2200K filaments light. One Sylvania USA filament LED is still going strong after 3 years of use.

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Oct 18, 2020 at 05:04 AM Author: James
The cooling of the filaments themselves is actually better when operated horizontally due to the greater heat loss to the gas (just like with incandescent filaments), however the A-shape bulbs dissipate the heat to the surroundings better when used vertically. That provides additional volume of gas for cooling, and greater surface for the hot gas to flow along the glass surface, when the bulb neck is used.
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Oct 18, 2020 at 05:17 AM Author: dor123
I've an Osram/Ledvance LED Base Classic A 60 7W 2700K color LED filament lamp, on my table/computer/desk lamp at my room at my hostel. It burning with the base-down, so it should last longer than base-up, as like CFLs, the driver components running cooler as less heat reaching them.

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Oct 18, 2020 at 06:28 PM Author: CEB1993
That's a shame! I'm glad I didn't get any of these. I've had awful luck with the USA made Sylvania glass LEDs. They've dropped like flies throughout my house and my grandparents' houses. They either completely burn out or begin flickering. Sounds like these USA made GE LEDs had a lot of the same issues. Probably assembled in the USA of cheap Chinese components...

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