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Western Electric Fluorescent Fixture # 1

Western Electric Fluorescent Fixture # 1

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New old stock eBay find, both the box and label on the fixture say Pittsburgh Reflector but it has the same model # as the Western Electric version. Lamps shown here are Philips Alto cool white because they were easiest to get at for testing.

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Manufacturer:Western Electric Company
Model Reference:KS-15673, L4
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Lamp Type:Fluorescent
Shape/Finish:T12
Electrical
Wattage:20 x2
Voltage:118 VAC
Physical/Production
Factory Location:USA

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Sep 21, 2015 at 05:01 PM Author: Solanaceae
Those sockets look like the plunger sockets.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 05:06 PM Author: nicksfans
What ballast does it have?

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Sep 21, 2015 at 05:39 PM Author: streetlight98
Nice! It's just like mine! These were made for Western Electric with HPF ballasts and plunger socket. I've said all this millions of times in my pics of my fixtures but I'm not surprised you guys don't know since no one seems to pay my WE light pictures any attention.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 05:42 PM Author: Solanaceae
Mike, don't beat yourself up. I have seen yoru pictures and thought they were kool, but I didn't want to clog up the front page by saying "nice" five times.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 05:45 PM Author: streetlight98
No I get it. I don't mean to sound like I'm crying for attention, but these are really cool and rare fixtures that were custom designed by Western Electric, so I wish more people took some interest in them. Of course, these hold sentimental value to me since these were in my family's homes for years until I replaced them to add them to my collection.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 06:28 PM Author: xmaslightguy
Interesting fixture.
are the 2 lights on it adjustable so you can shin them in different directions?

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Sep 21, 2015 at 06:29 PM Author: Mustang07
No the reflectors are fixed.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 06:32 PM Author: nicksfans
@Mike: I remembered that yours had HPF trigger start ballasts but I was wondering what brand/model of ballast was in this particular unit.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 06:47 PM Author: streetlight98
The only thing I can't figure out is what those two curved brackets at either end of the fixture are for. One of my fixtures had them but I tossed the brackets since IDK what they're for. They don't appear to serve any purpose other than maybe to hold an accessory...

BTW, do you have an ebay link to this fixture or was this the only one?

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Sep 21, 2015 at 06:53 PM Author: Mustang07
Here is the original listing, he does't have any more listed right now, so this might have been the only one. I uploaded a picture of the box also.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NOS-PITTSBURG-REFLECTOR-Overhead-Fluorescent-Light-/361384902095?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=1fcPVedglx2hjYqiTtQGnJ5H4p4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

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Sep 21, 2015 at 07:13 PM Author: streetlight98
Thanks for the link. Looks like yours is newer than mine are, with gray paint instead of silver. One of mine is gray and the rest are silver. Silver ones are from the 60s and the gray one is from 1973. Yours looks newer than my 1973 one too. Mine all say "RAPID START LAMPS ONLY". Yours has a more specific stamp, saying to use 20W trigger start lamps.

Ah it says right on the box that this fixture was destined for a Western Electric Co Bell System facility. Mine all came from the Providence Bell System facility. My great-grandpa rescued them when they were replaced in the 1980s. My oldest one is from 1965. Very cool to see one new in the box. These fixtures were custom designed by Western Electric and the manufacturing of these lights was likely sent out to the lowest bidders, which must've been Pittsburgh Reflector Company and Day-Bright Lighting. I haven't seen any other manufacturers. All have the same Western Electric property stamp/catalog number.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 07:15 PM Author: Mustang07
The ballast is a GE Bonus Line.

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Sep 21, 2015 at 07:21 PM Author: streetlight98
What's the date code on the flange? (two letters)

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Sep 21, 2015 at 08:36 PM Author: funkybulb
Hey Mike and mustangO7

I have a 4 foot verision of this i can say one thing it can throw blinding load of light out esp using 830 tubes .

No LED gadgets, spins too slowly.  Gotta  love preheat and MV. let the lights keep my meter spinning.

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The three of you are fixture friends.
Now I should find one...

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@funkybulb: You should try some F40T10 Triten 50 lamps!

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Sep 21, 2015 at 10:17 PM Author: ace100w120v
Wow, cool to see that more of these exist! I bet if T8 lamps were used these would be REALLY bright!
And cool that you found it NOS, too!
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Sep 22, 2015 at 04:43 AM Author: streetlight98
Yeah I put F17T8s in one of the 2ft versions (kept the ballast in there) and they were really bright.

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Sep 22, 2015 at 06:00 AM Author: Solanaceae
I saw that, Mike. Was it preheat or rapid start ballasts in there?

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Sep 22, 2015 at 01:52 PM Author: streetlight98
In these? These are all rapid start (trigger start for the 2ft ones but it's essentially the same thing lol).

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Sep 22, 2015 at 09:46 PM Author: themaritimegirl
Imagine how bright it would be then if the ballast drove the F20T12 lamps at full power! (The ballast in these drives F20T12's at 16 watts or so.)

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Sep 22, 2015 at 10:12 PM Author: nicksfans
It would be cool to convert one of these to preheat using full power chokes (or a 2x20 preheat F-can).

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Sep 22, 2015 at 10:16 PM Author: Solanaceae
I thought that too. But I wouldn't want to put holes in the fixture. Here is a 2x20 bonus line ballast of preheat lead lag.

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Sep 22, 2015 at 10:37 PM Author: themaritimegirl
Although it would be kind of crude, you could just lay the starter sockets loose inside the fixture so you didn't have to make holes.

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Sep 22, 2015 at 10:39 PM Author: Solanaceae
Agreed with Trent. I wonder how concealed pulsestarters will do on lead lag?

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Sep 22, 2015 at 10:41 PM Author: themaritimegirl
Pulsestarters should work fine anywhere glow starters work.

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The cheap electronic starters I got on eBay a while back do NOT like the lead side of a Tulamp ballast. I fried one of the starters that way.

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Oct 09, 2015 at 10:47 PM Author: Coolcat97
My neighbor has one of these in their garage...... Their house is from 1977.

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Try asking for it and offering a cheap replacement.

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Oct 09, 2015 at 10:56 PM Author: Solanaceae
@Mike: I noticed that the 2x20 RS universal ballasts from the strips I found today (don't know which model tho) were labeled as trigger start, but the 40w flavor of the ballast would be considered rapid start.

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Oct 09, 2015 at 10:59 PM Author: themaritimegirl
Same concept. The only difference between trigger start and rapid start is the former applies 7V across the cathodes while the latter applies 3.5V. This is because the former is for running preheat lamps, which naturally were designed to have the cathodes significantly heated for starting.

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I don't think they'll give me the light since they like vintage stuff and know how good they are.

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Oct 12, 2015 at 03:43 PM Author: streetlight98
@ Keif; they're technically two different things but the voltage is really the only difference between them. My Western Electric fixtures actually say RAPID START LAMPS ONLY on the F20 ones lol.

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