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F20T12 Trigger Start Striplight

F20T12 Trigger Start Striplight

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This is in my grandmother's closet.

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Manufacturer:Unknown
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Lamp Type:F20T12
Filament/Radiator Type:Preheat
Base:Medium Bi-Pin
Shape/Finish:T12
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Fixture Type:Fluorescent
Ballast Type:Magnetic
Socket Type:G13
Location:On the ceiling
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Wattage:2x20
Voltage:120
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Factory Location:USA

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Jul 05, 2018 at 05:08 PM Author: streetlight98
I assume this is a pretty old house? This would never fly in a newer house. I love 2-lamp strips smaller than 4ft. Nothing against the ubiquitous 4ft and 8ft strips but it's always a treat to see them in smaller sizes since smaller strips tend to be single lamp. Just on the same token I like seeing single lamp 6 and 8ft strips, since you typically only ever see the two lamp ones.

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Jul 05, 2018 at 05:56 PM Author: Fluorescent05
Yes, the house is from 1970, but I'm surprised it survived the work they did 8 years ago, being just relocated and not replaced! It isn't visible as most light is blocked by a shelf (in the bottom of the picture) right below it. Makes for an indirect light. Also, the hatch on the ceiling is the door to the attic as it is in that room.

Don't be fooLED, T8 IS the worst thing to do to a magnetic T12 fixture.

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Jul 05, 2018 at 07:16 PM Author: streetlight98
They relocated it? That's surprising because I think its location is a code violation. If it's not, it's probably a violation that tube guards are not used. In any new house I've wired with closet lights we install a box above the door, on the wall. Currently we install flush mount LED disk lights on those boxes. Up until this year we installed 13W CFL "compacts" exactly like this:



Before that we used single lamp F20T12 trigger start strip lights with tube guards. That was before I started though. I only know because I asked one of the guys that's been there about 15 years. He said we started using the compacts around the early-mid 2000s about the time they came out. My house was built in 2003 and has single lamp F20 TS strips with tube guards. My house wasn't wired by the company I work for but seems like it was just common practice to do that back then.

Sometimes in nicer houses with a walk-in master closet, we will install a box on the ceiling instead, and install the same compact fixture (or LED disk light now) or the homeowner will buy a decorative light for the closet that we install.

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Jul 05, 2018 at 07:37 PM Author: Fluorescent05
They don't use that shelf for anything where the light is. There are hangers in the closet below that shelf. and it is a walk in closet. Do you know who sells 2 foot T12 tube guards?

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Jul 05, 2018 at 07:51 PM Author: streetlight98
You buy 4ft guards and cut them in half. You can buy the ends separetely online and buy one 4ft guard with 4 ends to get two 2ft guards. Afaik they only make them in 4ft and 8ft. I honestly wouldnt worry about tube guards. Only if the house was for sale.

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Jul 05, 2018 at 08:15 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
My uncle has 1 lamp versions in his Elevator! Pretty dim though.

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Jul 05, 2018 at 09:01 PM Author: Fluorescent05
@streetlight98, the house is not for sale, my grandparents would never sell it.

@fluorescent lover 40, your uncle has an elevator in his house? Are they on LPF ballasts?

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Jul 05, 2018 at 09:17 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Yep. It's 5 stories so yeah. I believe so. I still need to check on them.

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Jul 06, 2018 at 04:39 AM Author: Fluorescent05
My LPF single lamp 14-15-20 ballast, the Sola ETSF-20-TP has a ballast factor of 0.91 and is available on Amazon.com if your uncle needs brighter light. My lamp powered by it is brighter than on my modern Chinese made preheat choke. By the way, how are they set up in the elevator? Behind a diffuser on the ceiling? Set up as indirect lighting behind a ledge?

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Jul 06, 2018 at 11:01 AM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Yep lighting behind a ledge. 1 of them has a loose ballast cover. Like wall washer lights.

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Jul 06, 2018 at 03:51 PM Author: nicksfans
That's really bizarre placement.

Also, those GU24 enclosed CFL lampholder things SUCK. I'd much rather see a cheap incandescent flushmount used.

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Jul 06, 2018 at 06:00 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah I hate those GU24 CFLs too. They start off dim and pink every time. The LED ones were pretty sweet though. They were 3500K too, so a nice halogen color.

Exposed lamps are not allowed period from what I understand, but even enclosed incandescent/halogen cannot be used in a closet unless it's more than 24" deep. The light must be more than 1ft from the "storage space" inside the closet or placed at a distance equal to the width of the storage space. The "storage space" is considered to be 1ft out from the back wall or the depth of the top shelf, whatever is greater. If the shelf is 12" or less, the light must be 12" away from the front edge of the shelf (2ft from the back wall). But if the shelf is 18" deep or 2ft deep, the light must be at least 18" or 2ft, respectively, from the front edge of the shelf (aka storage space). So if you have an 18" deep top shelf, the light would be 3ft from the back wall and for a 2ft shelf, 4ft or more from the back wall. If there's just a clothes rod and no shelf, 12" is used as a storage space.

The idea is so when you pull something off the shelf, the light won't get in the way of whatever you're taking off the shelf. If you installed a typical "boob light" in a closet and it was too close to the shelf, a homeowner might remove the glass to get more room to take stuff off the shelf and there's a potential fire hazard or broken-glass hazard when they whack the now-exposed bulb. Electricians have to idiot-proof the whole house. I say let natural selection take care of things.

For recessed cans, you can use them within 6" of the "storage space" by national code but some local codes may restrict it. At work the inspectors usually allow it with the LED bulbs we use (we don't use the trim/LED combos; we still use BR30 LEDs with separate trims) but back in the days of incandescents we would have to use shower trims since many inspectors considered the incandescent bulb to still be "exposed". With the LEDs they don't seem to care though. Probably just a fear of heat or glass. We rarely use cans in closets anyway, mostly a contractor decision since we charge more for cans. Most contractors opt for the cheaper "junction box and GU24 compact" route since it allows the homeowner to put up whatever light they want at a later date.

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Jul 06, 2018 at 06:36 PM Author: joseph_125
I wonder when did the code change, I've been in a house built in the late 90s and all the closets were lit with bare incandescent over the door.

I have a few smaller two lamp strips, a F15 one and a couple F20 ones. They're pretty neat. I find single lamp 4' strips with the wider 2 lamp channel to be pretty neat too.
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Jul 06, 2018 at 07:37 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah I LOVE widebody strips. I also love the older single lamp F40 strips with the "2 lamp body". Most were preheat but I've seen a mill building with rapid start ones in continuous rows. The channel covers were white and the channels themselves were charcoal gray like most shoplights of the era.

Hmm unsure when the code changed but my house is from 2003 and has them. At the time my house was built RI was still using the 2000 NEC (RI adopts the new edition of the NEC late for some reason; currently RI is still using the 2014 NEC and hasn't yet adopted the 2017 NEC literally half-way through its cycle!) so it's been required at least since then. Could be different in Canada though.

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Jul 06, 2018 at 08:07 PM Author: joseph_125
There's a Canadian Tire in Toronto that had their 3 lamp 8ft strips in the auto service waiting room retrofitted to 1 lamp per cross section 4' tandem T8 and they're now basically a single lamp strip with a 10" wide body. I think that's the widest body single lamp strip I've seen lol.

Yeah I know Canada has the CEC and the provinces base their own electrical code off the CEC.
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Jul 06, 2018 at 09:11 PM Author: streetlight98
Hmm sounds cool but it must be way dimmer in there now!

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