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100? Watt GE M250-R2 (Not Working)

100? Watt GE M250-R2 (Not Working)

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This is mounted on one of the bathrooms at Kalamazoo Speedway in Kalamazoo Michigan. I'd ASSUME it's 100w HPS (gold NEMA sticker with 1/2 missing,only "0" showing)
it's only mounted 10-12 feet off the ground !

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Manufacturer:General Electric
Model Reference:M-250R2
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Lamp Type:100? w HPS
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Location:Kalamazoo Speedway, Kalamazoo Michigan

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Aug 08, 2019 at 10:13 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux
Wow, 100W is overkill for that height.

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Aug 09, 2019 at 08:00 AM Author: GE101R

Wow, 100W is overkill for that height.

Short people section of the speedway.
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Aug 09, 2019 at 08:17 AM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux

Short people section of the speedway.

Who needs to see the individual insects crawling in the grass?

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Aug 09, 2019 at 10:50 AM Author: wide-lite 1000
Probably why it doesn't work, they probably disconnected it because it was blinding at that height. As for "short" people, I'm 5'11" and can touch my head against the low portion of the bathroom ceiling !

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Aug 09, 2019 at 07:05 PM Author: streetlight98
100W HPS isn't really that bright at 10-12ft. Reminds me a lot of my installations in the back yard LOL. Gold NEMA sticker on this means it's 1985-1987 vintage.

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Aug 09, 2019 at 11:59 PM Author: wide-lite 1000

100W HPS isn't really that bright at 10-12ft. Reminds me a lot of my installations in the back yard LOL. Gold NEMA sticker on this means it's 1985-1987 vintage.

Truthfully, the tapered arm and small building DO remind me of your lights on your shed ! The main difference between this and your installations is your are probably done WAY better and yours were put at that height so you could mess with them easier (IIRC). Their's is at that height cause someone didn't make the building tall enough, plus the light/arm were more than likely a freebie from some where .

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Aug 10, 2019 at 02:28 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah my lights are installed "temporarily". When I move out and get my own place my street lights are coming with me. At my own house I'm hoping I can set a few wood poles set up. I'm thinking Class 5 30ft southern pine. The utility company here uses pentachlorophenol treated southern pine poles that have a nice reddish color to them when new.

This same style tapered arm was used here in the 1980s. I don't care for this brand (whatever it is...) because of the exposed weld joints. Seems like the arm wasn't one piece. In the 60s and 70s the power company here used these tapered arms, which I believe are HAPCO, though Hapco tapered arms have "hidden" thru-bolt keyholes inside the tube rather than above. Notice how the arms are clean looking with no seams or weld joints. They're someone drawn from one piece of aluminum. I really like that design.

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Aug 10, 2019 at 04:47 PM Author: GE101R

Yeah my lights are installed "temporarily". When I move out and get my own place my street lights are coming with me. At my own house I'm hoping I can set a few wood poles set up. I'm thinking Class 5 30ft southern pine. The utility company here uses pentachlorophenol treated southern pine poles that have a nice reddish color to them when new.

This same style tapered arm was used here in the 1980s. I don't care for this brand (whatever it is...) because of the exposed weld joints. Seems like the arm wasn't one piece. In the 60s and 70s the power company here used these tapered arms, which I believe are HAPCO, though Hapco tapered arms have "hidden" thru-bolt keyholes inside the tube rather than above. Notice how the arms are clean looking with no seams or weld joints. They're someone drawn from one piece of aluminum. I really like that design.

Penta poles? Wow! Have not seen them in decades. We have those environmental friendly green "arsenic poles (lol) that last half as long as the creosote of days gone. There is one city that still uses creosote in their municipality. I get nostalgic when I drive through that city and see the black poles and the yellow/amber cross arms with the galvanized hardware on them. .
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Aug 10, 2019 at 05:29 PM Author: streetlight98
I believe so. The poles are marked "SPP". They used to use creosote poles here. Not sure when they switched. They've been using the poles they use now since at least the early 80s. Many of the creosote poles here go WAY back to the 1940s and even earlier. Many poles here still have the remote ballasts next to the arm from when it held a Form 109 or OV-20. The power grid up here in the northeast is very antiquated. Those old poles, black transformers (though those are getting rare now because of the PCB issue; they were supposedly all removed in the 1980s but obviously not because I still see some), old brown insulators, "ladder rungs" (dunno the proper term for them but I'm talking about the pegs that are in older poles for climbing), and of course plenty of old mounting arms. It's nice to be able to see some of this old stuff here, as it had disappeared long ago in most places.

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Aug 10, 2019 at 05:35 PM Author: GE101R

I believe so. The poles are marked "SPP". They used to use creosote poles here. Not sure when they switched. They've been using the poles they use now since at least the early 80s. Many of the creosote poles here go WAY back to the 1940s and even earlier. Many poles here still have the remote ballasts next to the arm from when it held a Form 109 or OV-20. The power grid up here in the northeast is very antiquated. Those old poles, black transformers (though those are getting rare now because of the PCB issue; they were supposedly all removed in the 1980s but obviously not because I still see some), old brown insulators, "ladder rungs" (dunno the proper term for them but I'm talking about the pegs that are in older poles for climbing), and of course plenty of old mounting arms. It's nice to be able to see some of this old stuff here, as it had disappeared long ago in most places.

Yea, the EPA supposedly banned creosote long ago. The creosote poles last longer and I find that they outlast the new green arsenic poles, 2-1. The greenies need to realize two pine trees cut down for the green poles lifespan of one creosote pole.
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Aug 10, 2019 at 05:42 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux

Yea, the EPA supposedly banned creosote long ago. The creosote poles last longer and I find that they outlast the new green arsenic poles, 201. The greenies need to realize two pine trees cut down for the green poles lifespan of one creosote pole.

Trying to talk to the greenies with logic doesn't work. They only
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Aug 10, 2019 at 05:50 PM Author: streetlight98
The other major utility in the New England area, Eversource, uses the green colored poles. They have a lot of territory in Connecticut (they took over CT Light & Power) and Massachusetts (Western Mass Electric and NSTAR territories and potentially others I don't know of). They also own Public Service of New Hampshire. They don't have any territory in Rhode Island though. All National Grid territory with their nice reddish penta poles. I believe creosote is still available today, but it's not the same form used in the past. It's less toxic (and I'd assume less effective as a preservative). I've seen a couple newer poles used here a few years back with a very dark brown/black color. They must've ordered them in a pinch when they had to wait for more penta treated poles?

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Aug 10, 2019 at 05:55 PM Author: GE101R

The other major utility in the New England area, Eversource, uses the green colored poles. They have a lot of territory in Connecticut (they took over CT Light & Power) and Massachusetts (Western Mass Electric and NSTAR territories and potentially others I don't know of). They also own Public Service of New Hampshire. They don't have any territory in Rhode Island though. All National Grid territory with their nice reddish penta poles. I believe creosote is still available today, but it's not the same form used in the past. It's less toxic (and I'd assume less effective as a preservative). I've seen a couple newer poles used here a few years back with a very dark brown/black color. They must've ordered them in a pinch when they had to wait for more penta treated poles?

I have read where the arsenic green lumber has been found to be a cause of some deaths of children when they crawled on the deck. That's why you see the "yellow wood" lumber now. I have gotten a few of the arsenic splinters in my hand and it started swelling within a few hours. They are difficult to pick out.
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Aug 10, 2019 at 07:09 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah that old school pressure treated lumber can be nasty stuff. I mean, arsenic is rat poison so it's no surprise it harms humans too. It's just a shame that these toxic products are otherwise so great. Take asbestos for example. That stuff was the miracle product of its time. Excellent insulating properties and flame retardant. But it causes lung cancer. And PCB oil was excellent as well.

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Aug 10, 2019 at 07:21 PM Author: GE101R

Yeah that old school pressure treated lumber can be nasty stuff. I mean, arsenic is rat poison so it's no surprise it harms humans too. It's just a shame that these toxic products are otherwise so great. Take asbestos for example. That stuff was the miracle product of its time. Excellent insulating properties and flame retardant. But it causes lung cancer. And PCB oil was excellent as well.

Drilling that old WWII asbestos siding and installing new electric service was everyday for me as well as when I worked for a large electric utility and we re-conditioned pole transformers, The Moloney Electric transformer of the 50's had "Moloney Electric with Inhibitol" which is a PCB additive to prolong oil and insulation life.
Been in many of large substation units that we pulled into Central Shops, de-coiled, installed new bushings, and cleaned out the sludge from the bottom of the tank. In the 50-60's some utilities would use the old discarded oil to spray their pole line right of ways and roads crews would use it mixed with old motor oil they got from the local gas stations when they actually did oil changes and sprayed the gravel roads to reduce the dust.
I have had PCB inhibited oil all over me and in cuts received while working on the transformers. Still here.
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Aug 10, 2019 at 07:39 PM Author: streetlight98
Wow they used to spray the ROWs with the used oil? The EPA would have guns blazing nowadays lol. Did that help prevent brush from filling in as well?

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Aug 10, 2019 at 07:46 PM Author: WestinghouseCeramalux

I have had PCB inhibited oil all over me and in cuts received while working on the transformers. Still here.

You never forget the smell...

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Wow they used to spray the ROWs with the used oil? The EPA would have guns blazing nowadays lol. Did that help prevent brush from filling in as well?

We tested the transformer oil after doing a centrifuge press to filter out the impurities. If it did not pass the one inch gap in the 10KV test bowl, it went on the right of ways. Stopped ALL growth for about 4-5 years.
The oil from the service stations was used on gravel roads and actually large road companies bought it as well to mix with their asphalt.
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Aug 10, 2019 at 07:50 PM Author: GE101R

You never forget the smell...

Got my first Westinghouse 3 KVA CSP REA type transformer at 15 years old. Opened it up and smelled that unique thin clear insulating oil. I was hooked on watching the CSP secondary breaker tripping when I moved the external handle.
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