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A broken LED exit sign, near the stock ramp of Carmel hospital

A broken LED exit sign, near the stock ramp of Carmel hospital

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I don't know why it was broken.

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May 14, 2015 at 04:56 AM Author: rjluna2
Is it near the door where all the equipment comes and goes?

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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May 14, 2015 at 05:49 AM Author: dor123
Yes.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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May 14, 2015 at 06:56 AM Author: rjluna2
Perhaps some of the equipment as tall as the sign may have hit several times

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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May 14, 2015 at 08:13 AM Author: Ash
Interesting T8/T12 lantern next to it. I am trying to guess who made that and when

The socket is a plunger type made of polycarbonate. Thats the last revision of the Electro Natach EN65 so it is from the mid to late 80s

But the rest of the signs are conflicting....

The trapeze shape of the lantern is something that existed in the more far past (before about 1980) in some Gaash lanterns. They still made few of that type in later years but those used ultimately the newer slim G13 sockets

Back in the 70s when Gaash used wing nuts to hold the covers, they were located in Gaash lanterns at the very ends right next to the sockets, and were usually made of plastic. The placement father away from the ends as seen here is a Shaltiel and Afula thing

Shaltiel used plastic tabs rather than nuts in the early 80s. By the time they moved back to wing nuts, they also moved to slim G13 sockets instead of the thick plunger ones. Thats when the "older" MS-light A2 we know today came into existence

Afula were the one manufacturer i know that held to the thick G13 plunger sockets till the sockets went out of production, but i never seen a trapeze shaped lantern from Afula.... On the other hand Afula were tiny obscure company and a lot of stuff they made was not well known

I know little about what other manufacturers existed and what they made back then

So i guess it is either a very old (70s) Shaltiel in which the socket was replaced at some point in the 80s, or some rare model from Afula, or some other company i dont know about



I will appreciate more pictures of it or of other identical lanterns installed there

And what gear they use ?
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May 14, 2015 at 08:21 AM Author: dor123
The fixture have Shaingout Electronic-Start ballast.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
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I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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May 14, 2015 at 09:11 AM Author: Ash
That would mean that the original was either Perfect Start (R1 or ST40 A) or Rapid Start (SR40)....

Gaash used both of them quite extensively in many types of lanterns

Shaltiel were mostly blink happy, but could well use Perfect Starts too

Afula used Perfect Start B in the 90s in some lanterns, but i dont know what they did in the 80s
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May 14, 2015 at 10:14 AM Author: Flurofan96
Hmm looks like a good robust T5 fluorescent EXIT sign needs to be installed

This reminds me of LEDS claimed indestructible but you can see the result

I will give LEDisease a taste of my shoe

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May 14, 2015 at 10:34 AM Author: FGS
The leds themselves are indestructible. It's the fixture they live in that isn't. Maybe that sign worked for awhile despite multiple hits to it then one final whack broke a wire or cracked a trace on the circuit board.

A T5 sign would die on the first whack most likely. While a led one would shrug it off.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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May 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM Author: dor123
This exit sign don't works because of this.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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May 14, 2015 at 10:43 AM Author: Flurofan96
Yes I agree that LEDS themselves are indestructible but the circuit board and fixture can get damaged

I will give LEDisease a taste of my shoe

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May 14, 2015 at 10:47 AM Author: TudorWhiz
Yeah Doron, I can't recall any LED exit signs around here not working actually and the exit signs that I have seen inside with LEDs usually are very simple very simple circuits some don't even have boards!!!!

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May 14, 2015 at 09:33 PM Author: dor123
@Tudorwhiz: Please don't mention my private name, and erase it from your comment. Read what is written in my singature.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

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May 15, 2015 at 05:09 AM Author: rjluna2
Everybody knows TudorWhiz, he is Jace

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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May 15, 2015 at 05:35 AM Author: dor123
But I don't want that my name will be posted in the web, to save my privacy.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

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I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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May 15, 2015 at 09:08 AM Author: TudorWhiz
Doron, your privacy is safe....I have relatives who lives in Israel and I have learned that Doron is a very common name in Israel, I mean I don't even know your last name or whatever just its pretty obvious your name is Doron due to you being a male, you living in Israel and your screen name really gives it out

I think you need to calm down as I've seen many posts with your name in......relax man

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May 15, 2015 at 11:08 AM Author: dor123
TudorWhiz: Still please don't mention my name.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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May 15, 2015 at 03:02 PM Author: Alights
I replaced an led fixture the other day in a stok room that got smacked by a ladder, it still worked but was hanging by the wires and the battery pack fell out, put up a new one job done

Magnetic ballasts and old school electronic only zone!  No T8 instant start

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May 15, 2015 at 03:14 PM Author: Kev
Yep I would go for T5 fluorescent for a much simpler reason. The T5 8W almost always used a standard 2 cell D Ni cad battery a good yuasa one can last many many years where as a lot of the LED exits use stupid non standard size batteries which are cheap and start to pack up after only a couple years. Newest I have changed is 7/13 light was off after 20 mins in test mode. Dorean please let us know what light replaces this.

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May 15, 2015 at 11:13 PM Author: dor123
Kev: Please stop mention my name also.

I"m don't speak English well, and rely on online translating to write in this site.
Please forgive me if my choice of my words looks like offensive, while that isn't my intention.

I only working with the European date format (dd.mm.yyyy).

I lives in Israel, which is a 230-240V, 50hz country.

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May 15, 2015 at 11:34 PM Author: Ash
But then you have the problem that Ni Cd batteries are banned as well.... The later models now use Ni MH. I think you have to change the charging resistor in the emergency unit if you want to convert a Ni Cd unit to Ni MH

Over here they always used various types and combinations of cells and connectors, even in Ni Cd days, the later ones seem to standardize on 2.4V 2400mAh and 3.6V 2400mAh though. The wholesaler i go to seems to stock at least some of the types in both Ni Cd and Ni Mh, so i can find a matching battery by parameters, and if the connector won't fit i can cut off the wires of the old battery with the connector that matches the lantern and splice that to the new battery
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May 16, 2015 at 12:17 AM Author: Kev
Well that's what I do too. We have lots of emergency lights over here one school I look after has 1038 fittings Ni cads are still the standard over here only difference is they are now made in China. The bizarre size and shapes of the led batteries really cause me problems.

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May 16, 2015 at 12:18 AM Author: Kev
Dor sorry I too do not like my name said on the gallery

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May 16, 2015 at 12:55 PM Author: FGS
@Kevin and Doron. I don't get you guys. Doron is a common name in Israel. My friend knows a Doron in Israel. Without your last name it's not easy to find you. So you're safe.

As for Kevin. The last name still applies as with Doron. And I knew a coworker named Kevin. And that's in the United States. So I think any English speaking country have a fair share of Kevins.

Don't want to share your full name that's fine. But usually it's no biggie letting the fellow lighting enthusiasts know your first name only. Both Dor123 and Kev.

Btw you two. My name is Felipe. Just in case you missed it.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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May 16, 2015 at 01:14 PM Author: Kev
Lol I'm sure most members here would work out that I am actually taking the piss!

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