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This is a typical scene at Laurel Bank Park in Toowoomba. These LED's have replaced half of the 80 watt MV GEC Bathursts. These poles have been there since the 60's and originally had GEC Waverleys (4 x 40 watt fluoro) on them until about 15 years ago when the Bathursts were installed. These have now also met their fate courtesy of this here LED contraption. There are four LED's in each lantern with two emitting bright white light while the other two emit a green light giving the park a nice green tinge.

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Dec 24, 2012 at 09:51 AM Author:
we have these here on our shell petrol garage fore courts and ten to give off a pinkish light from some side angles
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Dec 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM Author: jimmyjames
Hey sparkygav...I just noticed - are you from Newcastle as in the one in New South Wales? Yeah I forgot to mention in my description on this photo that they give off a pinky tinge of light as well. It's really odd...but it does a neat job of lighting the area even though it's not a discharge lantern

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Dec 24, 2012 at 10:04 AM Author:
im from the grey miserable Newcastle in the north east england,Leicester in the midlands was my home for a good few years to,i first thought there was something wrong with these when i saw the colours they put out
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Dec 24, 2012 at 12:04 PM Author: BG101
A couple of streets near me had the green ones fitted as an experiment, these were soon replaced with MH lanterns though. They looked nice in the trees but not very bright. I tried getting photographs but the colour wouldn't show up properly whatever settings I tried, instead looking a dirty yellowy colour.


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Dec 24, 2012 at 05:42 PM Author: Al_M
I'm still sceptical that these will survive the kind of ambient temps we have here. Time will tell I guess.

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Dec 26, 2012 at 08:14 AM Author: jimmyjames
Hey Sparkygav - my bad lol, I thought we had come across another Aussie collector! I had the same feeling abput these when I first saw them, I had no idea if they were meant to be that shade of color!

BG - Gee they sure didn't last long in your neck of the woods! The one here does a good job of lighting the area, it's not ridiculously bright, but it's ok - I'd still prefer MV but!

Hey Al, I'm with you mate - indeed.

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Dec 26, 2012 at 08:59 AM Author: Santaarnpaal
It is a product of Innolumis
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Dec 26, 2012 at 09:21 AM Author: jimmyjames
Santaarnpaal - thanks mate! I can stop scratching my head now! I love the video on the front page of the webite that is comparing the LED to the HPS lantern lol. Like a lot of people say, I think it's great technology but whether or not LED fixtures will go the distance of discharge lamp fixtures is yet to be proven.

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Dec 26, 2012 at 11:24 AM Author: Santaarnpaal
It is a relative popular LED lantern in the Netherlands.
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Dec 27, 2012 at 08:22 AM Author: Skiller
Interestingsly, in the video shown on that website Santaarnpaal linked to, they are showing SOX/LPS lamps and say they are "hazardous chemical waste" when they are EOL. Well, if they think so I would like to hear what they think of HPS and MV then. After the sodium is neutralized in water it is pretty much just glass waste, no mercury.

I have to admit though, these Innolumis LEDs don't seem to be that bad. I however am not convinced the lighting is in fact at least equal (they say their 24W LED replaces 91W SOX-E which sounds a bit too optimistic to me).
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Jan 01, 2013 at 10:01 AM Author: jimmyjames
Hey Skiller - hahaha that's funny about SOX/LPS lamps being referred to as hazardous when they are EOL! Ditto what you say about the lamps - there's no chance of anything bad happening! Yeah I think 24W LED having the same oomph as 91W SOX-E is a little bit far fetched...

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Jan 01, 2013 at 10:16 AM Author: FrontSideBus
Lol there is no way any current or near future LED can produce 194 lm/w and still last over 18,000 hours!
91w SOX-E is probably the ultimate low pressure sodium lamp, almost 400w MBF light levels

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Feb 15, 2013 at 09:27 AM Author: jimmyjames
Hey everyone, I walked past this park yesterday and ALL of these LED lanterns have been removed and the GEC 5713 'Bathurst' have been reinstated - go figure?! Unfortunately the council didn't think to replace the MV lamps with new ones, as they are so ridiculously green at night that they should have kept the LED's there. What makes this stand out even more is that there are two Bathursts with new lamps in them!

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Feb 15, 2013 at 09:38 AM Author: FrontSideBus
There was a road section near me that had Philips MA90 SOX lanterns and a stretch was replaced with LED's. lasted a couple of months before the MA90's were back up!

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Feb 16, 2013 at 05:11 AM Author: Al_M
Haha that's amazing guys, MV and SOX one, LED zero! I wonder why they chucked the LED's, in both cases?

James, it's a shame they didn't throw in some new lamps when they refitted the GEC's. They're so cheap to buy.

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Feb 16, 2013 at 05:25 AM Author: FrontSideBus
There also is a road that runs through a little village near where I work and it was lit by a myriad of different types of old 35w SOX lanterns on lovely old concrete columns.
Each time I went past I noticed new steel columns with Philips LED mini Iridium's being erected and then finally the old SOX started being disconnected and removed. End of the line... or so I thought!

It seems that only half of the new LED lanterns were connected. The rest appear to have been abandoned and are just sitting next to the still-in-service SOX! It's been like that for at least six months now!
I've also noticed that if a lantern has to be changed for whatever reason, they are using Philips Residiums with PL-L lamps. Looks like they have gave up on LED, yay!

The LED lanterns are really bad tbh, they give good illumination ONLY right underneath in a very narrow cone. The glare as you drive under them is also biblical! They probably gave up after complains from the locals as the road is very gloomy now with patches of light and loads of dark spots!

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Feb 16, 2013 at 05:38 AM Author: Al_M
FSB, you know, I have had so many reps coming into the office lately with the latest thing in LED streetlights, several in the last couple of weeks; including BEGA, We-ef and RUUD (three big players here in the architectural outdoor lighting market). In all honesty most of the fittings look really nice, however they plug them in in the office with them pointed up sitting on the table, not only does it hit you in the eyeballs but you don't get any sort of accurate representation of how it performs in the real world. I try to look interested, but I get frustrated with them saying how much better the technology is than a year ago. Like with computers, they're obsolete right after they've put them on the market. As a specifier, when exactly am I supposed to start using these things, with the risk of specifying something that will be obsolete tomorrow? At least in this part of the country, power authorities hate LED so I can only use them on private property, which makes up barely 5% of what I do anyway (the rest is on public property where LED is hardly ever allowed).

Sounds like those LED's that haven't been connected after 6 months will mysteriously disappear overnight maybe?

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Feb 16, 2013 at 05:49 AM Author: FrontSideBus
They are mounted quite low so I might be able to get one, especially since they are not connected.
It's a nice village though, with a community watch thing and everything so I'd probably get nicked even at silly-o'clock in the morning!

Traditional street lights light up the street... LED lights up patches of the road and makes the place very dim and gloomy...

Lol I'd love winding up of those LED salesmen I'd tell them to go off and build me a full cutoff road lantern that uses 91w SOX-E and will last for a minimum of 40 years with lamp replacements being the only maintance allowed.

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Feb 16, 2013 at 12:47 PM Author: Bulb Freak
hehe I think 131W SOX-E is 200Lmw id love to run one of those pupys on its proper gear

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Apr 05, 2013 at 06:33 AM Author: jimmyjames
Hey FSB, it sounds like that your council/local government may have been trialling LED technology too. The streetlighting scene that you described in the village on your way to work is one that seems to be rapidly disappearing throughout the world. That is just bizarre about the process of using Philips Residiums with PL-L lamps to replace both SOX and LED when they fail - to have a stretch of road with so many different types of lanterns and color temperatures is just weird, but yes, it does sound like they have given up on LED . I think government throughout the world who are changing their streetlighting landscape need to pay heed to the old proverb - if it ain't broke don't fix it'. I sure hope you can 'souvenir' some of the disconnected SOX lanterns! - like you, much of our town is into 'community watch', I have had people call the Police on me before for going through industrial skips, it's great to have people that are vigilant surrounding you, but having 'busy body sticky beaks' is another matter altogether, especially when you're enthusiasts like us trying to save things!

Hey Al, I have no idea why the council didn't bother to relamp the 'Bathurst's', just sheer laziness I think, I've had dealings with the local council electricians before in regards to reporting council lights in high traffic public carparks and they just don't seem to care, if you're lucky they may repair something within six months! Hehe I don't envy you having to deal with the LED sales people...I used to have to deal with sales reps all the time in my former oredering job at the supermarket, and jeez they can get frustrating! I would hate for them to be telling me stuff about what I do for a hobby!

Hey Bulb Freak - wow 200Lmw!!! Man that must be a long SOX lamp! I will hopefully be getting one of these lanterns within the next week or so!

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