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"Everlast" 250w Induction High Bays

"Everlast" 250w Induction High Bays

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Acquired a few of these Neverlast (see what I did there?) 250w Induction retail high-bays from a client that went LED. These induction lights were installed in 2015 (replaced 400w MH), and not three years later are being replaced by LED high bays from the same manufacturer (Everlast). I can completely understand why the business owner decided to change these out so soon. The CRI from these is terrible, they produce only about the same amount of light as somewhere between a 250w and 400ww DX mercury (so less than half that of the previous metal halide) and actually consume 308w, not 250w. All four fixtures I brought home draw between 306w and 310w when tested. The new LED installation actually makes the store look 100x better in both CRI and light levels, the LED high bays are half the power (160w) and are easily produce twice the light.

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Jun 30, 2018 at 06:08 PM Author: BlueHalide
Also worth noting, Everlast has completely omitted its line of Induction lighting, you can't even get replacement ballasts and lamps anymore. They are now 100% LED.

Does anyone know how to add photos in the comments section? Ide like to add a few more of the same fixture
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Jun 30, 2018 at 06:18 PM Author: Cal
Didn’t know everlast did lighting? Thought it was sportswear and gym equipment they did.
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Jun 30, 2018 at 06:53 PM Author: BlueHalide
Different company, the boxing/gym brand is unrelated. The lighting company above was founded on Induction technology in '96 if I remember right, they made ridiculous claims of these lights lasting forever, twice as efficient as MH and HPS, and having superior color quality, and lighting retrofit contractors peddled these lights on those claims even though they couldnt have been farther from the truth. Everlast switched entirely to LED products early last year.
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Jun 30, 2018 at 08:03 PM Author: streetlight98
I wonder if the induction lamps dimmed and got poorer color rendering from the phosphor being overpowered? BTW, in order to post photos in a comment, the photo must be hosted somewhere, either elsewhere on the site or on a site like Flickr, Photobucket, etc. Then you can right-click on the image you want to post, select "copy image address", and paste that address in between (img) (/img) brackets (replace parentheses with "[,]").

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Jun 30, 2018 at 09:09 PM Author: BlueHalide
@streetlight98 ahh thanks, I always wondered how other members posted images in comments.

Regarding the lamp, yes I believe that is what is happening here. I left one running in my garage for a couple hours then took a temp with my IR thermometer right off the tube, 268 F consistently, and a little hotter 281 F right around the induction coils. That is insanely hot for fluorescent, even VHO T12 and T5HO dont get nearly this hot. I would expect they use some formulation of really high temp phosphor in these, like in DX mercury lamps, but given the lumen depreciation and CRI drop over a few years, im not so sure.

The tube diameter is similar to T17, and I would guess the length is something like 30" bend into a circle, so the 300w loading in that size tube seems excessive
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Jun 30, 2018 at 09:13 PM Author: Lumex120

they made ridiculous claims of these lights lasting forever, twice as efficient as MH and HPS, and having superior color quality, and lighting retrofit contractors peddled these lights on those claims even though they couldnt have been farther from the truth.

Kinda sounds like what's going on with LEDs now...

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Jun 30, 2018 at 09:48 PM Author: BlueHalide
@lumex120 Exactly. Its the same propaganda again and again. These induction lights were probably the worst when it came to falling short of those sales pitch claims, the only thing this technology really had going for it was its potential for crazy long life, but this manufacturer couldn't even get that right as ive seen quite a few of these fail after 5-6 years or so.
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Jun 30, 2018 at 09:59 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah induction produces a nice soft diffuse light and can last awhile but it's no more efficient than any other fluorescent lamp. Just a more compact size for the amount of light given. An 8 lamp f32t8 highbay probably would have given the same light. 8 f32s on a high ballast factor ballast gives about 25k lumens. A probe 400w mh has 36000l when new but quickly depreciate. Even so, if the old highbays were acrylic like this one, the t8s would have the benefit of directing all the light down, so the lower lumens would make the floor just as bright. They make t8s that last crazy hours specifically for highbays but it's all a lost cause now...

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Jun 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM Author: xmaslightguy
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Yea, let photobucket die in peace please. They killed millions of embedded images on various forums. Use imgur instead.

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Jun 30, 2018 at 10:51 PM Author: tolivac
Induction lights are cool-BUT they are NOT suitable replacements for HID.Induction lights are just another type of FLOURESCENT light.Also see them advertised on the plant lamp websites-along with plasma lights.Those are REALLY expensive and the conventional HID esp CMH are cheaper,more efficient.Both induction and plasma lamps can and have been known to cause RFI.LEDS are not innocent here either-if they have a switching type driver-those can cause RFI as well.If a switching driver or ballast is used the secondary leads must be kept short and be shielded wire.Remote locating the ballast or driver is not recommended.
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Jun 30, 2018 at 10:53 PM Author: tolivac
Oh yes-what is the primary ballast voltage on these lamps-would like to see one lit.Many induction lamps use the "daylight" blue phosphors-the warm white would be better.
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Jul 01, 2018 at 12:37 PM Author: rjluna2

Forget about Photobucket now...at one time it was a good site.
Now its garbage and a pay site.

I still use that for free at the moment....

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Jul 01, 2018 at 09:48 PM Author: BlueHalide
The induction lamp above is cool white (4100K-ish), but after a few hours of operation it gets a slight greenish hue to it, and looks just like a heavily-used halophosphor T12 lamp, that sort of yellowish-green with a low CRI.

And yes, I couldnt get ANY FM or much less AM radio station in my garage when this was running, as soon as I switch it off, the radio comes in crystal clear
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Jul 22, 2018 at 05:49 AM Author: Flurofan96
Sorry but I prefer the CRI of Induction 4100K lighting over bloody glary sterile LED


Call me stupid but I love the low CRI halophosphor quality especially T12 tubes

I will give LEDisease a taste of my shoe

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Jul 22, 2018 at 09:34 AM Author: dor123
I suspecting that the induction lamps in these Chinese fixtures, are built into the fixture and can't be replaced easily like with other lamp technologies or with Osram Endura/Sylvania Icetron, or Philips QL, as there are no standards regarding to the design and the gears of induction lamps like there are in fluorescent lamps and PLs.

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Jul 22, 2018 at 09:50 AM Author: streetlight98
I think the reason for the lack of standards with QL and LED technologies is that the components are rated to last the life of the fixture, so there is no reason for NEMA to think the components would need to be replaced. With HID and traditional fluorescent lamps, the fixture and ballast are rated to last far longer than the lamps, so there are standards.

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Jul 25, 2018 at 11:06 PM Author: BlueHalide
Im not sure if the components are standard, but they are in fact easily removable for replacement. The lamp assembly is removed by two screws and a "molex" type connector. The ballast in this is also replaceable, it basically looks just like a giant electronic CFL ballast with the push-in wire connection blocks and all. A quick search on the internet for 250w induction lamps and ballasts that fit these lights yields only one brand that would appear to fit, "LVD", but very expensive, the lamp alone is $170, and a replacement ballast is $200...ouch
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