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A few used lamps in my (mostly T12 rapid start) school's "dead" bin. I know the Maintenance Engineering lamp is toast; not sure about the others. Might see if they'll let me have any good F40s that might be in there, since they usually relamp in pairs. I'm sure the majority of those are crappy "energy saver" lamps. The Econ-o-Watt Altos like the one pictured are total junk and there are a bunch throughout the school. Fortunately, they recently purchased three cases of full-wattage F40 lamps. Not sure when they'll convert to T8, but I'm hoping to score a bunch of free ballasts when they inevitably do.

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Lamp Type:F40T12
Base:Medium bi-pin
Shape/Finish:Linear
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Ballast Type:Preheat-Rapid Start
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Wattage:34/40
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Dimensions:48" x 1.5"

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Jun 28, 2013 at 05:39 PM Author: DetroitTwoStroke
Philips F40CW - February 1993 Salina, Kansas
Maintenance Engineering (made by Philips) - May 1998 Salina, Kansas
The Prolume is a GE Ecolux Watt-Miser

Yeah, those Alto Econ-O-Watt tubes are junk, they were the worst USA made tube out there.

Pride and quality workmanship should lie behind manufacturing, not greed.

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Jun 28, 2013 at 06:00 PM Author: rjluna2
The one with the gold cap looks interesting

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Jul 07, 2013 at 08:57 AM Author: nicksfans
They used to have quite a few througout the school but only a handful remain. I took a good one home once but I don't have it anymore, don't remember what happened to it. Really pretty color, similar to a 5000K but much nicer. In fact, it's possibly the best fluorescent lamp I've run across.

UPDATE: I thought I'd add that many more fixtures have been relamped since I took this photo. Quite a few of the lamps removed were mercury starved Alto Econ-o-Watts. Good riddance. Two more Maintenance Engineering lamps were also removed, both @ EOL. More ProLumes were taken out too, and mostly good ones at that. I know they're Watt-Misers, but I may try save a few if they're still there when I go back later this week. I've never seen one of those go mercury starved and I have some rapid start fixtures to use them in so I can save my F40s for preheat use (not that I don't have plenty already). I really want to get my hands on a few working ME lamps, though I don't know if that will happen. I could always order some new ones if I really wanted to.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 01:08 PM Author: vytautas_lamps
I live in Lithuania and I would GIVE ANYTHING to get one of those philips alto's ! what should I do to get one of those?! please tell me?! maybe someone could send me one or two? I would be very grateful even for burnout ones, and for new ones I would sell my grandmother!!!

New lighting technologies is a pity fest everywhere you look. From LEDs that last only for two months, to a never-ending global starvation of t8 fluorescent tubes.
We shall reinforce ourselves with good old full mercury t12s and HIDs made to surpass one's life, and give them all the middle finger ;

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Aug 06, 2014 at 01:38 PM Author: nicksfans
Well, there are tons of them here. The problem is shipping to Lithuania...the price would probably be astronomical. If you want the extra-junky Econ-o-Watts, they're no longer made so you'd have to find NOS lamps or go used. The full power ones are still made.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 03:19 PM Author: streetlight98
Why do you want Philips Altos? They're the sorriest excuses for fluorescent lamps I've ever seen. The T8s go mercury starved almost all the time. And those foolish green ends.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 03:26 PM Author: nicksfans
If you want some just to see how bad they are, you need the Econ-o-Watts. The full power ones aren't really bad at all.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 03:30 PM Author: streetlight98
Eh my F40/DX Altos start off dim and flickery in the center. That's bad IMO and very annoying.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 03:44 PM Author: nicksfans
The CWS ones at school work like normal F40s, except a handful of them have developed significant blackening at one end after no more than 2 years. None have gone EOL though. I have yet to see any T12 start dim in the center, though I did have a Canadian Sylvania CWX get extremely mercury starved so it was almost out, yet the other lamp still worked on a series electronic ballast.

So which manufacturer's T12s these days are most resistant to starting dim in the center? GE? For T8s, Satco is the best in my experience, closely followed by GE.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 06:52 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah I've never had a GE start dim in the center. I think GE T12s have the most mercury out of the big three. I like Sylvania lamps. Some of their CWP lamps around 2010-ish started dim and flickery in the center but their newer lamps and older lamps before that don't have that issue. It's pretty much hit-or-miss. It has something with the reduced mercury in the lamps. Philips puts the least mercury in their lamps. Sylvania does what they want lol. Their lamps aren't labeled as reduced mercury but they've been reducing the mercury in their lamps long before the eco madness started.

Out of the big three I'd say GE is the best for T8s too. I've never seen Satcos in ise. They seem like an unpopular company. I haven't seen anything wrong with Sylvania T8s either. Philips T8s always seem to go mercury starved.

Yeah the reason the Philips lamps only get black on one end is because they have electrode guards on one end. Why they don't put the guards on both ends is beyond me. GE doesn't use electrode guards at all but I kinda like that since I like it when the lamps blacken since it gives it that more vintage look. I think Westinghouse lamps had guards at both ends so there wasn't much blackening until EOL.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 07:58 PM Author: nicksfans
Sylvania T8s were good until recently. The last ones I got start very dim in the middle every time, worse than the Alto IIs. Not getting them again. The Satco Hygrade T8s, despite being Chinese, are the best I've seen in recent years. Full brightness immediately, every time.

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Ahh I guess they lowered the mercury content. Interesting that Satco uses the Hygrade name since Sylvania used it way back when. Where do they sell Satco lamps locally? I've only ever seen them online?

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Aug 06, 2014 at 08:05 PM Author: nicksfans
City Electric Supply sells them by the case here. Otherwise, online.

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Aug 06, 2014 at 08:47 PM Author: streetlight98
How does the cost compare to the big three? Are they cheaper seeing that they're chinese lamps?

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Don't think City Electric is much cheaper, though I've never bought them there myself. Haven't tried to buy any online.

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