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Fluorescent shop and troffers with some LED troffers (display)

Fluorescent shop and troffers with some LED troffers (display)

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These are nice, unlike the LED ones.

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Dec 29, 2017 at 01:10 PM Author: xmaslightguy
This is a pretty trashy looking display, lets see you've got:
* Multiple EOL lamps (seems to be common in these stores)
* Neither 2x4 troffer is closed correctly, and the cover is broken on one

Sometimes you wonder if they actually want to sell this crap?
I mean would you really want to buy something if it looks like the display unit(s)

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Dec 29, 2017 at 01:19 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
Are the ballasts covers in the troffer full size or that crappy low profile BS that you cannot install a full size ballast in. At least this display has made the LED troffer look bad
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Dec 29, 2017 at 02:36 PM Author: lightinglover8902
No. @xmaslightguy

They have electronic ballasts the fluorescents ones now days, and the LED Troffers, might have a crappy driver ballast. @Lightingguy1994

And yes, this was the WORST display I'd ever seen!

Save the Cooper OVWs!! Don't them down by crap LED fixtures!!!

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Dec 29, 2017 at 08:09 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
I cant believe the LED troffer costs nearly twice as much as the 4 lamp T8 next to it lol, you dont even get the ability to service it and you get no brackets to make it fluorescent, Sad!
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Dec 29, 2017 at 08:58 PM Author: F96T12 DD VHO
If the lamps were maintained properly and built and installed right, maybe people would buy the fluorescent light fixtures rather than LED

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Dec 29, 2017 at 09:00 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
Heck Id still buy the fluorescent troffers, I have some thin RS series ballasts that can go in it
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Dec 29, 2017 at 10:20 PM Author: takemorepills
Here in the Pacific NW, Lowes has the crappiest lighting displays around! I have never seen so many dead LED fixtures as Lowes!

Home Depot here seems to keep their lighting displays in good condition and/or uses better lighting products.

So, how does a person service a LED fixture? Really can't, just gotta throw it away, ya? More stuff for the landfill, YAY!! And China stopped taking our trash, double YAY!!!!! (they send it here but don't want it back anymore, prob because they don't get much good-ol American metals anymore, they are starting to get mostly their junk back) https://www.npr.org/2017/12/09/568797388/recycling-chaos-in-u-s-as-china-bans-foreign-waste
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Dec 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM Author: xmaslightguy
The Lowes near me has a crappy looking fluorescent display too, full of EOL lamps & fixtures.

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One time when looking for lights (incandescent fixtures) at Lowes, there was one I was interested in, but only one left on the shelf & I needed a few. So I found a Lowes guy & asked if they had any more in stock...he checked the computer and said it showed 2: the one on the shelf, and the display model. He said they can't even touch their own displays, otherwize he would have been willing to sell that one at a discount.

So if the displays are managed by an outside company, or division, or whatever, they suck at their job

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Home Depot is another place where I frequently see EOL fluorescents in the display models (not as bad as Lowes).
Oh and the various LED ceiling fans & outdoor wall lights...seems like every store has the same models that are flickering/blinking EOL. Guess those particular ones are real pieces of shi....

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Dec 29, 2017 at 10:52 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
Speaking of incandescent fixtures, do you know if those recessed pot lights that take a normal medium base lamp are still sold or made these days ? I would like to use those one day and be able to put the LED filaments in them lol mostly the coloured ones. The only LED i do not mind at all
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Dec 29, 2017 at 10:55 PM Author: xmaslightguy
@Lightingguy1994:
That is a good question.
I honestly do not know though.

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Dec 29, 2017 at 11:28 PM Author: takemorepills

Home Depot is another place where I frequently see EOL fluorescents in the display models (not as bad as Lowes).
Oh and the various LED ceiling fans & outdoor wall lights...seems like every store has the same models that are flickering/blinking EOL. Guess those particular ones are real pieces of shi....


When people ask me for advice on LED light fixtures, I always give this advice:

If you want to upgrade your fluorescents, get the ballast-bypass LED tubes and take the small effort to remove the ballast (or leave it, bypassed) and re-wire the fixture. I firmly believe this is the "best" way to go. Why leave a ballast in a circuit? And by doing this, you can easily change the brightness, efficiency, color and CRI over the life of the fixture. T8 LED tubes will be around for a long time. Never buy a LED fixture!

If you want to upgrade home lighting, just use the screw-in LEDs. Never buy a LED fixture!

If you want to upgrade recessed lighting, go ahead and get good quality LED inserts, many times a gasketed LED insert can help reduce drafts and bugs also. And you'll be able to change the LED inserts if they fail or you want something different. But don't buy a LED-only "can" system!

If you want to upgrade exterior lighting, again, buy traditional incan fixtures/floodlight assemblies and use LED "bulbs" in them. You'll almost never need to replace a fixture, if a "bulb" dies, no big deal. Just replace it. Never buy a LED fixture!
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Dec 29, 2017 at 11:50 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
Youre giving them good advice takemorepills Completely reversible and serviceable LED upgrades is perfectly fine, like what i would do with can lights, except use filament lamps!
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Dec 30, 2017 at 01:57 AM Author: Ash
My advice is much less about LEDs. I redirect them from wanting LEDs towards using proper lighting technologies

Take for example Fluorescents :

- The standard 36W T8 everyone uses is 6500K 2500Lm

- The Triphosphor 36W T8's are 2700/3000/4000/6500K 3350Lm

- The LED 18W "=36W" T8's are 3000/6500K 1700Lm downwards only

So an upgrade from the standard tube everyone have to a Triphosphor is undoubtedly upgrade in every possible way (except energy use, it stays the same)

A change to LED tube is just half the light for half the power, at increased glare (no upwards light) and reduced light quality. They appear to be brighter because they put the same light downwards and none upwards, making the background behind the tubes (ceiling or luminaire insides) look dark, but the overall effect is that the lamp is glarier compared to a darker rest of the room

For anything E27 indoors i recommend CFLs. The good ones like Osram and not random cheap stuff
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Dec 30, 2017 at 02:13 AM Author: Mercurylamps
I generally use CFL around the house with the occasional LED being used. I can buy CFLs cheaper than LEDs so that is why I typically use them. All my fluorescent lights at home use triphosphor tubes and traditional preheat starters. I have HID installed outdoors.
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Dec 30, 2017 at 02:37 AM Author: Ash
Here the E27 LEDs (of fair enough lifetime/reliability) are cheaper than CFLs, but i still take the CFLs for the light quality
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Dec 30, 2017 at 06:04 AM Author: FGS

Here the E27 LEDs (of fair enough lifetime/reliability) are cheaper than CFLs, but i still take the CFLs for the light quality


Is that LED bulbs the eBay type? Over here LED bulbs outshine CFLs in terms of light quality. The majority of LEDs anyway since people can and will buy eBay LEDs. (These has to have their brains checked.)

Aside from better light quality (higher CRI) of LEDs at least we don't have to put up with some (60% of them) CFLs bad habit of taking ages to warm up. Worse in the cold. Covered CFLs are bad for it even in summer! (R30, PAR38, A19, and so on.) LEDs is instant light even with temps in the tens. (Fahrenheit.)

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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Dec 30, 2017 at 08:03 AM Author: lightinglover8902

Speaking of incandescent fixtures, do you know if those recessed pot lights that take a normal medium base lamp are still sold or made these days ? I would like to use those one day and be able to put the LED filaments in them lol mostly the coloured ones. The only LED i do not mind at all


Yes, the normal recessed fixtures does have a medium socket base to put any bulb you want, not just the flood bulbs.

If I'd had a LED Troffer, I'll convert it to fluorescent, or HID.

Save the Cooper OVWs!! Don't them down by crap LED fixtures!!!

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Dec 30, 2017 at 11:08 AM Author: takemorepills
CFLs are only good for the bathroom, as they start up dim and slowly get brighter. A nice attribute for non-adjusted eyes.
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Dec 30, 2017 at 12:53 PM Author: FGS

CFLs are only good for the bathroom, as they start up dim and slowly get brighter. A nice attribute for non-adjusted eyes.


Oh, yeah. I agree with ya on that one. Best have it on the exhaust fan or something while the main light like the mirror or whatever gets LEDs.

Mine has all LEDs for E-26 (exhaust and mirror light) while the E-12 has an incandescent bulb in green. Perfect for that night use.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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