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This guy with the vintage preheat light fixture on ebay had a staggering amounts of light fixtures he wants to sell all or nothing think it's time for me to buy a warehouse

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Mar 29, 2016 at 05:40 AM Author: Silverliner
Again, had to rotate this pic. If you don't know how, I will show you.

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Mar 29, 2016 at 10:53 AM Author: Solanaceae
Are those all preheat signs? I bet some members here would love some if you don't have space.

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Mar 29, 2016 at 01:08 PM Author: veryhighonoutput
Sorry silverliner must be all the pcbs have been smoking, I think they are. there are hundreds

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Mar 29, 2016 at 01:44 PM Author: Solanaceae
Heh your username is fitting for that.

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Mar 29, 2016 at 03:48 PM Author: veryhighonoutput

T12/ t17 there's a reason they made heavy magnetic ballasts

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Mar 30, 2016 at 03:04 PM Author: streetlight98
Wow! I hate when people either make you buy it all or won't let you buy anything. Any good businessman should know selling something is better than nothing. And you will get more money if you sell them individually to different people. Ten different being giving you $100 versus one guy giving you $750... Either way, I assume it must've been a good buy since you bought them but still, there have been times I've wanted a lighting item and it would have required I buy a lot of other crap I don't even want.

One instance on Craigslist was some guy in my area selling two street lights on their own poles just like what the electric company uses here. The pole was identical to this one in the foreground. The guy wanted $500 each and required you to buy both poles and both lights (so $1000 total for two poles with the lights on them). It's less than they go for new but the pole and light were used, so I'd say they'd be worth salvage value. I'd pay $150 per pole with the light... Now, I only wanted the cobraheads on the poles NOT the two poles. I messaged the guy explaining that and asking if he could give me a price. He said that it's a package deal and I had to buy both lights and both poles but said he would drop his price to $500 for the pair instead of $500 each. I told him I was only interested in the cobraheads themselves and not the poles but he never got back to me after that. I looked for the listing just now to link it but it seems he either sold them, still has them and never relisted, or scrapped them. Probably the latter.

Another instance was another Craigslist ad with someone selling a bunch of NOS/NIB lighting and electrical stuff. It was a sh!t ton of stuff for $1200. For what was being presented, it was a decent deal IMO. Full fixtures (newer 8ft tandem T8s), like a dozen exit signs, lots of ballasts (but 277V), and stuff like panels and breakers. But there was one NOS 2X F96T12 strip light that looked pretty old. I couldn't tell if it was slimline or HO but definitely older since it had one of those older DAY-O-LITE labels on it. Anyway, I asked if I could buy that one fixture for $30. The guy said I had to buy everything but I could make an offer on the whole lot if I wished. I said thanks but no thanks.

If people were a little more patient and were willing to sell what buyers want to buy then they'd at least sell SOME stuff. He would have gotten more from that strip light by selling it to me than he did by scrapping it (which is probably what its fate was, unless someone bought the whole lot, but even then, if someone bought a giant lot of brand new electrical/lighting, what would they want with that one 70s-80s "old-tech" fixture? So even if the lot was bought that fixture probably ended up being tossed. And I would have gladly bought it). If I had the space and money, I would have loved those two aluminum street light poles too. I want to have a couple light poles in my backyard at my future house someday but I can't store a 30ft pole in my backyard right now. My parents would flip on me lol. And they certainly wouldn't let me install it in the yard (i'd need a bucket truck to get to the light anyway and I'd need some sort of crane or pulley system to install the pole too. They're fairly lightweight so not like I'd be putting in a wood pole and they're anchor base (bolt to a concrete foundation with four bolts) so they'd be pretty simple to install but you need more than a few guys to hold up a 30ft pole while another guy tightens the bolts lol.

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Mar 30, 2016 at 04:12 PM Author: veryhighonoutput
Yeah it sucks I just want few but he has a whole lot of pg17s I am going to buy all including all the gas station pg 6'fixtures too, I'm going to buy all, get my truck trailer load up as long as the price is right!

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Mar 30, 2016 at 04:41 PM Author: Globe Collector
We have an auction here that often sells ex-Government stuff....particularly stuff bought up from Antarctic Bases. They used to divide stuff up mostly in a sensible manner, although sometimes you would by an old short wave transmitter but the power supply would be in another lot..forcing you to buy that lot too....then they started doing "buy one, get one free", where a lot would come up that nobody was interested in...so they'd just lump it in with the next lot...the lot you were interested in...so you got what you wanted but also got a pallet load of junk you had to then dispose of...now they just lump lots of stuff into BIG lots..I might go and see in interesting lamp in one, but there is just TOO MUCH diverse stuff to buy it. So you have to then stand around all day, wait until one of the many "Junk Dealers" that frequent the place buys it...then go an haggle with them for the one small thing you want out of it. It seems they are targeting the Junk Shop Owners as clients and excluding almost everybody else...it is a lot less work for them though...doing a few large lots as opposed to lots of small ones, and the time taken for each is the same whether it sells for $15 or $1500!

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Mar 30, 2016 at 07:16 PM Author: streetlight98
I wish my local government had an auction for decommissioned or surplus goods. There is no such thing here though and I inquired the state about purchasing a decommissioned traffic signal but they said the stuff is purchased with tax dollars and therefore the state does not have the authority to sell it (or give it away).

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Mar 31, 2016 at 12:45 AM Author: Globe Collector
So, if they won't sell it and can't/won't give it away, what do they do plan to do with it? Store it for time immemorial in some huge warehouse at your, (the tax payer's) expense or get some ham fisted yargon with a five pound hammer in his hairy paw to smash the crap out of it so you can never get it...again, paying the yargon out of your pocket! "This illogical bureaucratic behavior has name.... it is called "Dog in the manger", dog does not eat hay, cattle eat hay, hay is stored in a manger, dog lies in manger to bite noses of cattle that come to feed......
I don't want it anymore, it has served its purpose...but the thought of you getting any use out of it or worse, learning something from it..... well you know what I mean.

Never in my half century of life have I ever come across a bureaucratic bean counter who can think logically and sustainably!

That excuse of "tax dollars" is weak as piss too...they waste them hand over fist by sitting in offices and playing Minecraft on the "work" computers all day and cost the equivalent of a traffic light head every few hours and have the "balls" to insult your intelligence with statements like this...such arrogance!
They can't seem to comprehend that by giving you an obsolete traffic light, you will learn how traffic lights work by tinkering with it and in future, when they need to teach someone about traffic lights, they can use someone like you and won't need to train you from scratch...again at the citizenry's expense!

The stuff that comes up from the Antarctic....that's the BIG BOYS in Canberra, the Australian FEDERAL Government...the top tier of Government in Australia, (below them are the State and Territory Govermnents and below those are local councils).
The real reason they spend hundreds of millions in the Antarctic is to keep a grasp on the Australian Antarctic Territory..they sort of have to "use" it, (or seen to be "using" it), or loose it....what they REALLY want is the minerals in the rock under the 1Km thick ice cap in a pie-slice shaped chunk of the continent that amounts to about 20% of it and will drive the planet to hell in a hand cart to get at it.....however the Chinese are actually down there now...actively mining in the Australian Antarctic Territory at Law Dome, where are we, under a rock a few miles away watching, doing nothing and "pissing in our pants"!

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Mar 31, 2016 at 04:49 AM Author: streetlight98
The decommissioned signals and lights are instead scrapped. Yeah it was a weak argument on their behalf but honestly I didn't care all that much to further pursue them lol.

Oh wow I had no idea anyone was down in Antarctica aside from penguins and tourists lol. Such a shame that even the one continent uninhabited by man is still be destroyed by man. All because of greed.

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Funny how that works

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Mar 31, 2016 at 05:10 AM Author: Globe Collector
Greed is the very worst of human traits, it gives rise to ALL the other forms of suffering we all have to endure to differing degrees....you guys are "right on the ball", both of you!

I have this little (pessimistic) saying...."The Human Race is Extinct already, we just havn't realized it yet!"
I'm so glad I have no kids to endure whatever is to come after I'm put in a box....

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Mar 31, 2016 at 05:50 AM Author: rjluna2
Amen to that, Andrew. I guess we will never get off the ground with our evolution intelligence

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Mar 31, 2016 at 02:58 PM Author: streetlight98
Yeah I'm serious considering never having kids since I don't want to bring someone into this world. If I have kids, it will likely be because I have adopted them from foster care. It pains me that so many children grow up in foster care. It sure beats living with parents that are unfit to care for them but still sad nonetheless.

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Mar 31, 2016 at 03:15 PM Author: Solanaceae
Yep same here Michael. I was told by my dad and in a current event discussion that the world will seriously fall in about 70 years.

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Mar 31, 2016 at 04:03 PM Author: streetlight98
Well, it's estimated that our oil reserves could be dry as soon as 30 to 40 years. Some say it will be 60 years. Depends how much oil is actually in the ground and the rate of consumption. Either way, once our oil sources are depleted, there will be mass chaos. I just hope that I am not alive when that day comes. While you have the chance, try to get off the electrical grid. Install solar panels, wind turbines, whatever you can do. Sure they may suck compared to being on-grid but there will be a day when our grid just fails world-wide. If the grid fails, and gasoline left on the planet will be stuck in the gas station wells since the gas stations use electric pumps. It will be impossible to find food because stores will quickly sell out of stuff and there will be no way to get more food to restock (same for all stores) because delivery trucks use fuel.

So unless you're a farmer using a renewable source for energy, your f*cked. I don't mean to be all doom-and-gloom but in all seriousness that's what it's going to come down to. And if you are a farmer, people will be raiding your fields stealing your food for themselves and if that doesn't happen the government will raid your fields, steal all your food and ration it out to everyone. That is after they (over)fill their plates. Maybe they'll leave you few ears of corn for you and your family to live off of for the entire harvest season of your lucky. Honestly I picture the future being sorta like the Hunger Games. Maybe not the government making teens kill each other, but the setting of it all. No electricity, people living in shambles but the government still living affluently, as they will until the world breaks apart and turns to dust. IDK, I just prefer not to think too much about it but someday it will happen and we will all wish we did something when we had the chance. But you know we will never do anything as a species until it's already too late. Who knows, it may already be too late...

That said, go home tonight and hug your family close and enjoy them while you can. And hole your MV lamps and magnetic fluorescent ballasts close too. There may be a day when you can never light them again...

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Mar 31, 2016 at 04:09 PM Author: Solanaceae
Mike and anyone, check this article out.

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Mar 31, 2016 at 05:12 PM Author: veryhighonoutput
Hopefully that's not true and if is I'll b in my 90s and passing on my pgs on to my grandkids or greatgrand kids

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Apr 02, 2016 at 03:15 PM Author: ace100w120v
Multiple interesting points here!

Yeah, when oil reserves run out there's going to be complete and utter chaos, let's face it. I also hope I don't see that day LOL, I think we all will. The one thing I like about living rural is that I'll be further removed from the ensuing chaos LOL.

As far as gov't auctions, that stuff does happen, at least here in the US, with old military goods. Why do I know this? I'm a MV hobbyist as well (Not Mercury Vapor, although I'm a mercury vapor nut too), but Military Vehicles. (Mike, remember when I was relating a story of possibly ending up with a Deuce and a Half as my first vehicle?). A lot of enthusiasts like myself have bought their surplus army trucks at...guess what...government auctions! And some are still in surprisingly decent condition. A friend who has a bunch told me they found some of the original paperwork in one of their trucks and learned they cost the taxpayer $95,000 each back in the day...and that was in 1960s-1970s dollars! And now they're going for practically scrap price, I kid you not. You can get a 5 ton 6X6, Cummins engine, etc. for literally $1500 or 2000 as a starting bid, no joke!
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Oil is only a small part of the issue...really! If we burn all the biomass on this planet, all the oil, gas, coal, wood, poo or anything else derived from life that will burn.....there will be NO OXYREN LEFT in the air to burn it!

Think about it...where did all that biomass and oxygen come from in the first place? PLANTS, photosynthesizing...taking in carbon dioxide, water and light and making sugar and oxygen....from the sugar they go on and make cellulose, (their own mechanical structures), lignin (with cellulose, makes wood) and other minors like vegetable oil. From them animals (and us) feed, from all that, if geological upheval buries it and separates to from the oxygen above...oil and coal!

The journalist that wrote that article above that Solananceae provided the link for knows almost nothing at all and is "blowing it out his bung-hole"....why do I say this?.....because you would have to be less that five years old to place such a precise date on such an event. What is meant by the words, "Oil Running Out"....this is a huge event, happening over a wide geographical area...the whole planet really...so there may be shortrages in one place but still "enough" in another...this process will be a gradual one...it wont involve any single corporate entity (like BP as the article states)...it will involve all the Oil Companies and many other corporates too...like the banks who finance what the oil companies do....as soon as those prats think big oil is a sinking ship, they will desert it in droves...so there may well still be lots of oil in the ground but the cost of extracting it (in money I'm talking about), will be too high...but not after the cost to the environment, ripping up the farmland, contaminating the water table, polluting the sea...and the list goes on...

These are not the real problems though.....nobody seems able to see the "elephant in the corner"....that is US! US...using (or is it abusing) science to gain some understanding of how it all works, (but we arrogantly think we know ALL even when we have discovered less than 5%)....then we use that 5% with the other great tool...ENGINEERING, to act on the science and make a "Very warm nest for ourselves". We think we are really clever (as a species), look at us, look what we have done, look at all our road, rails, cars, trains, and glass cities glinting in the sun....

What happens of you put a few rabbits or mice of each sex in a nice large warm hutch and feed them well for a long time....pretty soon you have buckets full of mice or rabbits, (and plenty of their wee and poo too).

We have become like that...and the reason,.... each individual human does not live long enough to pass the knowledge of the mistakes he has made to the next generation....each individual human cannot encompass a large enough swath of time and space to see clearly the impacts we, as a species, are making. Each individual human lives too short a lifespan to plan for even two generations ahead, let alone 10 or 100! So, in this sense we are just children...we never really learn enough in a lifetime to fully mature and become true responsible "citizens of the planet" ...
Collectively, as a species...we are only as inteligent as out stupidest individual...and that is a very worrying thought. In the past millenia, our numbers were just to small in the vastness of the biosphere...so it could "tolerate" our selfishness and stupidity...but, now...wielding science and engineering as our "tools/weapons"...the poor old biosphere is under very serious threat if real and lasting damage! I reckon Solanaceae's Dad is "about on the money"...if not a tad optimistic. Despite all this "doom and gloom"....I believe humanity won't die out...BUT, we will regress backwards at a rapid rate and by the time the prediction of Sonanaceae's Dad comes to pass, our population with be down to somewhere between 0.5 ans 2% of what it is now and those remaining will be the very toughest individuals, making a very megare existence from a very tough, unforgiving and badly damaged environment...an existence that could go on for up to 150,000 years..the time it will take the biosphere to recover from all the damage we have inflicted on it in the last 200 years. (The "Black Death" and "Breubonic Plague" will be as nothing once the engineering fails and the energy runs out...)
Most of our technology will become "Black Magic", only vaguely recalled in stories and fairy tales...and mostly not believed by "rational adults" hundreds of years from now. People will be actively discouraged by future societies from dabbling in science and ebgineering because there will persist a "memory" of what it did to their ancestors ....BUT they will wrongly blame the science and engineering.....not the greed and immaturity of their ancestors.... So...yes, we will go on, much as we have done for the last 100,000 years...for the next 100,000 years...this 200 years of "rechnology and engineering" will be nothing but a "blip" in the arc of life in this Plasnrt.

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The problem is, my dad acts like he knows everything, but in reality, not so much... Back to lighting... You should at least try to get some of these.

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Apr 03, 2016 at 05:57 AM Author: veryhighonoutput
I don't have space but I'd love to, anyway I want the 6' pg fixtures he has and t17 sockets as well I'm going to call him tomarrow

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Apr 04, 2016 at 10:00 AM Author: veryhighonoutput
This guy has 1500watt 1000 watt 500 watt incandescent bulbs, 10 -8' pg fixtures 5 or 6- 4' fixtures and bunches of pg bulbs- my head wants to explode. He's getting me a list soon for me to price out!!!!!

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Apr 04, 2016 at 12:49 PM Author: streetlight98
Holy cow! He's got quite the loot!

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Apr 04, 2016 at 01:12 PM Author: veryhighonoutput
This guy has every single old type of fixture that you can think this is the honey hole

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Apr 04, 2016 at 02:00 PM Author: Solanaceae
Hwut?!?! Look for anything of f65t17 or the ever elusive Westinghouse rectify fluorescent.

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How about F40 preheat fixtures?
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