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Got this at a thrift shop for $12. Is it a Lifeguard?
175 Watts.

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Manufacturer:Westinghouse
Model Reference:HF175PD
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Lamp Type:MV - Coated
Base:Mogul
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Wattage:175

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Aug 30, 2016 at 02:41 PM Author: Solanaceae
No where near. You can pick these up at Lowe's or Menards for that price, or maybe a bit less. They're made by the Chinese company that bot Abco out.

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Yeah these are no better than Plusrite, Satco, ProLume, etc.

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Aug 30, 2016 at 02:43 PM Author: wattMaster
Whoops, but how can you tell?
It is cheap Chinese quality?

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Aug 30, 2016 at 02:57 PM Author: xelareverse
Yes, Don had one that exploded

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Aug 30, 2016 at 02:58 PM Author: nicksfans
A real BT Lifeguard has a more "square" looking envelope, as do pretty much all old USA BT MV lamps.

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Aug 30, 2016 at 03:01 PM Author: Ash
The White isolator in the screw cap is one sign of Chinese product. Tho i think there were exceptions
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A Cheap Chinese Lifeguard Imposter.

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Wangit dattmaster.

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Aug 30, 2016 at 06:10 PM Author: Ash
$12 cheap ? Some councils here get them (well, in 125W) in bulk for like $3..$4 lamp
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Aug 30, 2016 at 06:16 PM Author: nicksfans
These are a lot cheaper than $12 even with shipping if you buy at least a few.

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So it's a scam?

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Aug 30, 2016 at 07:06 PM Author: nicksfans
Not a scam really, but you probably could have gotten a better deal on a lamp of similar or better quality if you had shopped around a little.

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Aug 30, 2016 at 07:08 PM Author: wattMaster
Well, at least I now know of the Metal Halide high bay light they had. But it was too expensive.

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MH high bays are pretty easy to come by these days with everyone replacing them with T5HO or LED. There are almost always some on my local Craigslist and I live 2 hours away from any major city.

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Aug 30, 2016 at 07:12 PM Author: wattMaster
I think it was around $100. Came with a supremely blackened 400 Watt probe start bulb.

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Yeah, way too much. There were some MH and HPS high bays at a ReStore here a while back, originally for $50 each but then the last couple got marked down to $25 before they sold. I almost got one when it was marked down but I figured I'd save the space and money for cooler lights. I don't think you need to pay more than $40 for one.

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So what should I do with the MV bulb? I can't return it.

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Might as well keep it.

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Aug 30, 2016 at 07:28 PM Author: icefoglights
No reason to get rid of it. In fact, I'm not sure they still make that style. Most new ones I've seen have a more traditional shape with the crown fully coated. Might not be the same as a Lifeguard from the late-60s, but it's still a piece of mercury vapor history.

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In vintage clear top style!
And is this just a regular DX coating?

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Does it light in pink under Blacklight FL ? Then yep, DX

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These are DX. There were bulbs made by Feit that had the same "soft" BT28 shape, with a coated crown, brass-looking base and red etch, that while labled DX where really a diffused coating inside and not a true phosphor. They would glow blue instead of pink when first switched on, and had the same color light as a clear merc

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Aug 31, 2016 at 07:53 AM Author: HU112
With the model number being 'HF175PD', It seems much likely to be some sort of rebranded Iwasaki EYE lamps.

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But EYE lamps are made in Japan?

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Aug 31, 2016 at 07:58 AM Author: HU112
@wattMaster not really. Here is an example of a Chinese EYE lamp.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 08:08 AM Author: wattMaster
I tried starting it on my Lumatek ballast, and it wouldn't strike. Then I saw that one of the electrodes was completely unconnected, like a small explosion had happened. The ballast didn't do it.

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I guess it was already dead when you bought it then.

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$12.84 for a dead bulb.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 08:40 AM Author: don93s
Yeah, I've had that happen. I've bought lamps that were supposed to be NOS and turns out it looks like either someone connected it to the mains and blew an electrode wire or a weld came loose.

BTW, these type lamps I've had seem to have a very weak phosphor...almost looks more of a /W than a /DX.
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You can use the ignitor that is being used for pulsed MH bulbs to see if this work.

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If the electrode is totally disconnected you probably won't have much luck. Toss it unless you want to keep it for collection purposes.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 09:17 AM Author: Ash
Which one of the electrodes ?

Nevermind, i seen the other picture that answers this question
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Aug 31, 2016 at 10:56 AM Author: wattMaster
I have the feeling someone didn't know that MV bulbs needed ballasts.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 11:36 AM Author: Ash
Maybe, though i have the feeling that not many peeps have E39 socket wired straight to line voltage hanging around. Could be some bypassed ballast from a luminaire that was previously retrofitted to CFL or LED, and then the lamp was replaced with this without checking
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Aug 31, 2016 at 11:39 AM Author: FGS
More likely to CFL than LED. Or the ballast in there shorted out killing a previous bulb and this was installed and instantly killed.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM Author: Ash
Failed ballast (shorted turns) have some little reactance left and quite a bit of the wire resistance (less the shorted turns). I'd expect that the bulb would fire up for some short while on such ballast, so we would see more extensive damage than just a popped foil and clear arctube
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Aug 31, 2016 at 12:39 PM Author: don93s
There are still some mogul based incandescent fixtures still lurking around, though quite rare anymore. I even once had a mogul base three-way incandescent. I guess there was a time when residential mogul based lamps were available. Quite easy to put a MV in there and poof.
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The store I got this bulb from also had an incandescent Mogul fixture.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 02:25 PM Author: Ash
Easy guess....
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Maybe they tried it out with that fixture

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Maybe.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 02:45 PM Author: wattMaster
Except it had bare, non stripped power wires.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 03:11 PM Author: Ash
cut off afterthe lamp banged and they thought te luminaire is at fault ?
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Seems possible. But then why would they sell it?

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Aug 31, 2016 at 03:26 PM Author: Ash
Happened years ago, and they put the lamp aside back then. Forgot that it banged, had brief look at it and it appeared new visually, so they put it up for sale
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Maybe that's what happened with this bulb.

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Try and get a refund.

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Aug 31, 2016 at 09:23 PM Author: streetlight98
It's a thrift store. You gotta examine the bulb to see if it looks good or not before you buy it. those guys don't know anything about what they sell. I bought a nice NOS 1967 Sylvania 400W /C cleartop with girder frame at a Restore that was marked as "handblown glass ornament" lol. Best handblown glass ornament I've ever seen. I'm always leery about buying used lamps at the ReStore though (especially incandescents, since the filaments break so easily and they just toss them all in a large bin where people go sifting through it) since I don't want any duds. Unless it's something rare I pass it up unless it's in the original packaging (and I learned to ALWAYS open the packaging before checking out to make sure the right lamp is inside lol).

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I've bought a few duds from ReStores too (though I've never been unlucky enough to get a $12 dud). I test items in the store if possible. With incandescents that means finding a table lamp and using that as a test fixture. It probably looks odd but nobody has ever said anything to me about it. I even tested my '70s RS shoplight at the ReStore because it happened to have the original cord still attached. I used F32T8 lamps because that's all they had that day but it fired them up anyway, and that was good enough for me to buy it.

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Ah my ReStore seems to have hid all the outlets. They have signs saying that items are as-is and people are not allowed to plug stuff in. They probably had something blow up in the store lol. I'd never buy a $12 bulb unless it was a lifeguard or something lol. I'd just say I grabbed it out of the used bulb bin and they'd charge 50 cents for it. Maybe a dollar since HIDs are "big bulbs". Fluorescent tubes are $1 each. Screw-in LEDs are $2 NIB. I've gotten several. The only way I'll buy LEDs is through the ReStore lol. They're dirt cheap and they tend to be older ones with metal construction and whiter light versus the newer ones that better copy soft white incandescents (I'm not a fan of the super warm SW incandescent color; I like the color of clear halogens better).

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I've never heard of a rule against testing stuff at the ReStores here (that's why I do it when I can). I think I've tested items at three different ReStores without incident. I can see why some might be in favor of such a rule, though. Like you said, someone probably almost burned the place down once.

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I have tested things no problem at my hab lol. If they yelled at me, I'd just start my own hab, with blackjack and fair prices.

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Yeah it might be something stupid like their insurance might be lower if they prohibit shoppers from "fiddling with electricity". When I worked for Electric Boat last summer, a major supplier of the US Navy's submarines, smoking was not allowed anywhere (even in the parking lot; if you wanted to smoke you had to do it across the street from the building when you're clocked out for lunch or after you get out of work). I don't smoke so I didn't care but the reason for it was that it kept their health insurance lower by banning smoking on the property (including vapes and e-cigs, as they're not FDA-approved).

The most I've done is open fixtures up to see the ballast(s) and add lamps to fixtures to get free lamps with the fixtures (or swap the lamps if I find better tubes laying around lol).

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I don't typically add lamps to empty fixtures but I have removed lamps from fixtures so I could buy the lamps separately.

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I do it all the time. They don't change any more for fixtures with lamps then they do for ones without it so I'm gonna get the most for me buck lol.

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So what should I do?

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Sep 01, 2016 at 11:11 AM Author: streetlight98
Take it to Lowes or HD and drop it off in the fluorescent lamp recycling bin. Don't toss it in the trash since it's got mercury in it.

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But that's pointless. What can I do about maybe getting some kind of refund or something like that?

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You can try to go back and explain the situation but you're probably just going to have to live with it.

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Sep 01, 2016 at 12:10 PM Author: wattMaster
Oh well.
At least I have a BT MV.

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Sep 01, 2016 at 01:06 PM Author: joseph_125
Yeah aside from tossing it, I would do what Nick suggested and see if they could offer you a refund. They might be more willing to if you're willing to exchange it for a item of equivalent value or take store credit.

On a side note, I've gotten dead bulbs at Restore before but most of the ones here allow exchanges or store credit refunds within 1-2 weeks. I do mostly buy new bulbs at Restore unless if it's something rare.
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Sep 01, 2016 at 06:34 PM Author: streetlight98
It's a thrift store. You're not getting anything. Thrift stores sell stuff "as-is". As-is means if it don't work, not their problem.

BTW this isn't a "real" BT28. The original ones were squared. This shape evolved out of the Craptastic China lamps.

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Sep 01, 2016 at 07:03 PM Author: wattMaster
So I better not get any lighting from thrift shops, unless you can test it.
How can I raise money to compensate for the $12?

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Sep 01, 2016 at 07:19 PM Author: nicksfans
I don't think that's a good policy...you might miss out on a lot of cool stuff that way. Just don't spend a lot of money on anything you can't test. The vast majority of lighting I've bought secondhand was either totally functional or was pretty easy and cheap to get working again. Test stuff if you can, but don't pass up something cool just because you can't test it. When I saw my recently-purchased Circline/3-way floor lamp at the ReStore, I didn't even LOOK underneath at the ballast, never mind plugging the thing in. I was so excited that I just grabbed it and headed straight for the checkout. As it turns out, there's nothing wrong with it, but I think I got pretty lucky. I would have tested it if it had been more expensive, but the price was good enough that I didn't really care if it worked or not.

That said, I would never spend $12 on any used lamp, tested or not, unless it was something VERY special. How you raise money to compensate is up to you, but you will always be $12 poorer no matter how much you raise. S*** happens, take it as a lesson and move on.

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Sep 01, 2016 at 07:32 PM Author: streetlight98
It's only $12. A drop in the bucket lol. Unless you're only like a middle schooler and don't have a job yet. Then $12 might actually be a significant loss.

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Sep 01, 2016 at 07:37 PM Author: wattMaster
$12 really isn't much, but it's 12 fewer dollars for photography supplies, light bulbs, and future savings.

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Sep 02, 2016 at 12:22 AM Author: joseph_125
I find fixtures at Restore to be ok but I wouldn't get used bulbs unless they were rare. Granted my Restores do have a good return policy and they seemed to be fine when I brought dud bulbs back for exchange. I only do that for pricier stuff though.

I also agree with Nick, paying $12 for a used lamp is kinda risky especially if it's final sale. Plus a used lamp at a thrift store is overpriced IMO. I've seem lamps at Restore priced higher than $12 but they were NIB/NOS lamps.
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Sep 02, 2016 at 05:55 AM Author: streetlight98
Ah my Restore has an all-sales-final policy. I think i spent like $9 on the Sylvania 400W /C or something like that.

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Sep 02, 2016 at 03:43 PM Author: wattMaster
The ReStores here have a 30 day return policy.

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