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Walmart ditched GE T8s and T12s fluorescent tubes and now have the LED counterparts. :(

Walmart ditched GE T8s and T12s fluorescent tubes and now have the LED counterparts. :(

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Pic taken Sunday.

Well, it looks like they got rid of the GE regular fluorescent tubes, and now they have the LED counterparts. However they still have the T5 tubes and circlines. Just sad.

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May 19, 2020 at 06:31 PM Author: High Intensity
Yep, my local Walmart's look exactly like this, they were also the last stores in my area to drop all HID yard lights.

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May 19, 2020 at 10:20 PM Author: xmaslightguy
Haven't been through the Walmart lighting section in atleast a month.
Last time I was there, they still had fluorescents.

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May 19, 2020 at 11:20 PM Author: Binarix128
Yep, It is also happening in my local Walmart (Líder, called in Chile)

(And yeah, I recently noticed about new smileys )

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Jun 21, 2020 at 02:07 PM Author: Cole D.

Haven't been through the Walmart lighting section in atleast a month.
Last time I was there, they still had fluorescents.


Me either yet more like early April, and I didn't see any fluorescent fixtures, and the MH yardblaster was on clearance.

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Jun 21, 2020 at 03:36 PM Author: paintballer22
They did the same thing here.
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Jun 21, 2020 at 03:43 PM Author: Lightingguy1994
They were crap anyway. I tried to enjoy the latest store bought GE and Sylvania bulbs but they were just such poor performers., think only the daylight GE F40 was half decent. Only lamps that worked out for me very nicely was the HomeDepots Philips Alto Supremes and Soft white 3000K which exhibited no startup trouble and had Hg dust visible inside some of the tubes.

Better off ordering in a case from a supplier or NOS off ebay if the altos aren't an option.

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Jun 21, 2020 at 10:23 PM Author: lightinglover8902
I got more of the GE F15 daylight tubes on clearance aisle for $2.75. Plus there were two GE F20 T12s for the same price. However they still have HID bulbs: https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=12246&pos=2&pid=180816

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Sep 25, 2020 at 04:38 PM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Is there already a law in place that banned the manufacture and sale of ALL HID luminaires in the USA?

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Sep 25, 2020 at 11:45 PM Author: lightinglover8902

Is there already a law in place that banned the manufacture and sale of ALL HID luminaires in the USA?


I think California is the one where they have lighting regulations to not use HID lighting. I think...

In Texas, you can still use HID lighting, but numbers are small because of LED.

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Sep 25, 2020 at 11:46 PM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Where does it say that?

I think California is the one where they have lighting regulations to not use HID lighting. I think...

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Sep 25, 2020 at 11:47 PM Author: lightinglover8902

Where does it say that?


IDK, ask @fluorescentlover40. He knows.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:04 AM Author: nicksfans
There's no nationwide (USA) ban on HID fixtures that I know of.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:06 AM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Seems like ballasts for HID lamps are getting discontinued very soon.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:08 AM Author: nicksfans
I can see that happening simply due to lack of demand.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:09 AM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
It seems difficult to stock up on HID lamps and ballasts these days since they are so expensive.

I can see that happening simply due to lack of demand.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:13 AM Author: nicksfans
If you're buying new ones, yeah. People practically give away MH high bays on FB marketplace.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:14 AM Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Whenever I get my own house, I dream of having all of my lighting converted to HID including interior lighting.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:30 AM Author: High Intensity
I am not aware of any CA HID lighting bans, but CA did ban places from selling most incandescent lamps (but most stores in my area don't follow that rule).

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:33 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
Looks like the F15s are even LED. Im sure there is already LED F 4/6/8 T5s.

But yeah the demand for HID has dropped big time. Covid only made it happen faster. My city streetlight scene will be HID free by the end of the year.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:34 AM Author: fluorescent lover 40

IDK, ask @fluorescentlover40. He knows.


Hmm haven't heard anything like this. Lots of city streets in California still get new HPS spot replacements if needed. And like High Intensity has said, there is no HID ban in California that I know of.

Ask Silverliner about this. He's been around longer than I have so he has more knowledge than I do.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:37 AM Author: lightinglover8902
I truly HATE that the US government is controlling people what to use for lighting. We need to make a petition to save the HID lighting industry!

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Sep 26, 2020 at 12:55 AM Author: fluorescent lover 40
We could, but I don't think we would succeed. Not trying to be negative here - this is reality. Why?

- Mercury Vapor: Long lasting white light, but CRI (assuming you use a coated lamp) isn't great, plus the phosphor degrades over time and the lamp dims and the CRI gets worse and worse

- High Pressure Sodium: Orange light, poor CRI, constant lumen maintenance, pretty good

- Metal Halide: White light, but turns greenish over time (quartz lamps), chances of explosion (especially in cobraheads). CMH is everything that LED is, excellent CRI, constant lumen maintenance, and long life. The only thing about them is that they are very expensive.

- Low Pressure Sodium (why not include this): bad bad CRI, good for looking for stars in a observatory if you use them in cities, long life



And LED?

LEDs use a lot less energy than the HID lights, they have a long life if engineered properly, they have good lumen maintenance if engineered properly, they have excellent CRI, they can be dimmed, on motion sensors, the list goes on...


Now I'm not trying to promote LEDs and say they're the best light source in the world, but I'm just stating facts of why everyone (that's not on LG) likes LED. They see the great benefits of LED and "older technology isn't that great anymore" most would say in their say in their minds. And this is why a petition to save the HID industry most likely wouldn't work.


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And it's not just the government that's pushing to get rid of non-LED light sources for general lighting, the major lighting companies are doing that as well.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 01:22 AM Author: AngryHorse
Interesting point with LPS too, it doesn’t even matter anymore how efficient HID are, if the sales demand is simply not there, they stop making them altogether, I’m kind of surprised HPS and MH have lasted this long???
I’ve NEVER seen any new installations of HPS/MH, (either in doors or outside), here since about 2017, or fluorescent come to think of it??

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Sep 26, 2020 at 01:28 AM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Agreed.

There are some HPS lights still being installed here, but they are only spot replacements for cities that still use HPS. Other than that, last new big installations I've seen of HPS here were 2015 and around 2018-2019 for MH.

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I have no problems importing foreign light bulbs from certain foreign electrical stores. I do have a desire to have a vast collection of lamps, ballasts, and fixtures from around the world.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 01:52 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
Its good to remember that even when discontinued, you guys in the us will be able to find these things easily on sites like ebay, craigs list and so on for years to come. Theres always a guy selling the goods in the USA somewhere

The reason I'm concerned is it is harder to get this stuff into Canada because of limited sellers, exchange rates and import charges and unless you live in Toronto or Ottawa, things pop up locally much less often as is the case for me as I'm in northern Ontario

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I do understand that US and Canadian electricity are nearly identical.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 07:49 AM Author: lightinglover8902

I do understand that US and Canadian electricity are nearly identical.


They are identical, except commercial/industrial voltages. In the US for commercial/industrial voltages are 277/480v, where in Canada (i think) they use 347/480v, sometimes 600v.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 09:59 AM Author: nicksfans
There is no saving the HID lighting industry, sadly. Aside from a few niche applications, the demand just isn't there.

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Sep 26, 2020 at 07:39 PM Author: joseph_125

They are identical, except commercial/industrial voltages. In the US for commercial/industrial voltages are 277/480v, where in Canada (i think) they use 347/480v, sometimes 600v.


Usually 347v/600v, 347v is the voltage from phase to ground and 600v is the voltage from phase to phase. 480v systems are rare but I've heard of them being used here. At one point they even made 600v fluorescent fixtures.
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