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Preheat Fluorescents in Dining Hall

Preheat Fluorescents in Dining Hall

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This dining hall was lit completely with these preheat fluorescent fixtures. There must have been 12-20 of them. All appeared to have manual reset starters too! Lamps were a mix of every brand. The blackenders almost look like they say Ken-Rad. Did Ken-Rad ever make blackend tubes? Sadly the electric has been disconnected from this part of the building so I couldn't see them light up!

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Mar 30, 2013 at 08:20 AM Author: Ash
Nice looking fixtures. Is there a planned renovation ? Maybe those who let you in can let you have those too
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Mar 30, 2013 at 09:19 AM Author: thirdpyramid
I've seen several black-ended Ken Rads
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Mar 30, 2013 at 09:23 AM Author: nogden
Yes there is a planned renovation. Right now they don't know what they are going to do with old fixtures, doors, etc. This is certainly a project I'll keep an eye on! Its only about an hour's drive from where I live, so I should be able to somewhat be able to keep track of the renovation project.
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Mar 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM Author: chrislights
I would wish to have some Ken-Rad and preheat fixture

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Mar 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM Author: vintagefluorescent
You need to grab a ladder & grab the bulbs -Best advice , Renovation or not they are not keeping the bulbs .

Ken Rads are desireable & yes they are the black enders

The hard cold facts you guys need to realize , They will not contact you when they have made there decision on what to do with the fixtures & bulbs , They will move forward without you & if you just happened to be around at the time you may score , Take it from one who has learned the hard way.

Good Luck.

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Mar 30, 2013 at 03:59 PM Author: jercar954
Ken Rads were a Westinghouse product and all but the T-5's were blackenders.

In the above photo, one of the lamps is blackening like a GE "3". Did you see any "3" or "3 Plus" lamps there? If so, grab them if you can!!

Preheat and T-12 fluorescents forever! Down with LED's and instant start T-8 fluorescents.

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Mar 30, 2013 at 04:01 PM Author: Silverliner
yep that black ender is a ken rad. the others appear to be GEs with the '3's on the right end of the etch. stuck in time eh?

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Mar 30, 2013 at 04:14 PM Author: jercar954
Pretty amazing considering the facility was closed in 1989 according to Wikipedia.

Preheat and T-12 fluorescents forever! Down with LED's and instant start T-8 fluorescents.

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Mar 30, 2013 at 04:15 PM Author: nogden
Yup, GE 3s! The facility was closed in 1989 explaining why they are stuck in time!

Getting these fixtures will be difficult. My best bet will be to drive through and hope to catch them in a pile near a dumpster or something. I went through the building on a guided tour that was very strict. There's no way they'd let me even take the lamps right now. Maybe if I find them in a pile or make friends with the demolition crew, but that's a big maybe. Sneaking in is out of the question. This place is an active construction site and much of the building has been remodeled and is now occupied with offices and shops. Security is reasonably high for that reason and to reduce the chance of vandalism. Still, I'll keep an eye on the place and see what happens. Ultimately, I can't justify grabbing these fixtures just for myself. I already have enough fluorescent fixtures in my collection. But I'll grab them if I can and maybe consider reselling them or saving them for fellow collectors if anyone else is interested in them.
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Mar 30, 2013 at 06:32 PM Author: ace100w120v
Save these!
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Mar 30, 2013 at 09:22 PM Author: vintagefluorescent
O.K. Get there phone number & get in touch with maintnance -Let them know about the bulbs , Youre interest & arrange a time to stop by & pay a maintnance guy $40 - $50 To take all the bulbs down for you , You hold the ladder for him & grab hold of the bulbs as he hands them down to you .

You could probly get the bulbs pulled on his lunch break

I`m youre consultant

Go for the bulbs 1st since they are the easy ones to persue & Good luck
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Mar 30, 2013 at 09:41 PM Author: ace100w120v
And if possible then the fixtures or at least ballasts, then any other old light bulbs from in there...
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Apr 02, 2013 at 09:12 AM Author: DieselNut
Whatever it takes, you DEFINITELY need to get the tubes AND the fixtures! This is stuff which will NEVER be made again. To me, the REAL value is in the fixtures and their associated gear, but the tubes would be an awesome score too. Yes, collectors here would LOVE to have these, so your time/effort will be WELL appreciated!

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Apr 02, 2013 at 09:17 AM Author: nogden
I'll see what I can do. So far they absolutely won't let anyone take anything that might have lead paint (including these lights). Hopefully I'll find these in a pile out back sometime and can load them up!
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Apr 02, 2013 at 09:17 AM Author: ace100w120v
Yeah, I agree!
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Apr 02, 2013 at 09:31 AM Author: DieselNut
At least get in touch and see if they will CAREFULLY take them down. If they are just told to "remove them", chances are they will not treat them with care and may destroy them.

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Apr 02, 2013 at 09:32 AM Author: nogden
Good point.
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Apr 02, 2013 at 08:16 PM Author: ace100w120v
I agree. Show your interest soon! Sooner rather than later IMO...
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Apr 09, 2013 at 07:56 AM Author: jimmyjames
Hey nogden/Nelson - these are just AWESOME photos!! I love old hospital, factory, prison etc sites! Best of luck on saving these lanterns and all of the other ones you have showed from this place - WOW!

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Jul 16, 2013 at 05:04 PM Author: streetlight98
Nice! i recently got around half a dozen F20T12/W KEN-RAD lamps with black ends, all loose so i superglued them. did westie make KEN-RAD lamps? I've noticed many similaritys... I also scored a westie F20 white blackeneder with the westinghouse name capitalized so it's probably older. all the westies i've seen say Westinghouse not WESTINGHOUSE.

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Jul 16, 2013 at 05:41 PM Author: jercar954
Westinghouse did make lamps under the Ken-Rad name.

Preheat and T-12 fluorescents forever! Down with LED's and instant start T-8 fluorescents.

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Jul 16, 2013 at 06:48 PM Author: streetlight98
ahh so KEN-RAD lamps are rebranded Westies?

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Jul 16, 2013 at 07:31 PM Author: jercar954
Yes. Ken-Rad manufactured electron tubes and lamps. In 1946, they were sold to GE as GE wanted their lucrative tube division ( mainly government contracts) and sold the lamp division around 1947 to Westinghouse.

Preheat and T-12 fluorescents forever! Down with LED's and instant start T-8 fluorescents.

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Nov 08, 2015 at 01:50 PM Author: Solanaceae
Please don't get ghosted up there lol.

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Nov 08, 2015 at 04:06 PM Author: nogden
Haha, yeah! I think they actually had a haunted house in a part of the building for Halloween.
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Nov 08, 2015 at 05:09 PM Author: xelareverse
I have a Ken-Rad 15 watt blackender t8 cool white

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You better keep that safe, Alex.

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