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Philips 70w mogul base CMH

Philips 70w mogul base CMH

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ReStore find. Just a buck.

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Manufacturer:Philips
Model Reference:CDM70/U/PS/4K
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Lamp Type:CMH
Base:Mogul
Shape/Finish:ED23.5
Service Life:24,000 hr
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Wattage:70w
Voltage:90v
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Color Temperature:4000K
Color Rendering Index:92
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Factory Location:Bath, NY
Fabrication Date:November 2010

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Mar 07, 2016 at 08:00 PM Author: Powergroove
Do you have a ballast that will run this.

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Mar 07, 2016 at 09:23 PM Author: ace100w120v
Wow, tiny arc tube there!
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Mar 07, 2016 at 09:40 PM Author: Silverliner
Not as tiny as the 50w CMH!

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Mar 07, 2016 at 09:40 PM Author: Silverliner
Oh, I'll need to find a ballast for this.

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Mar 07, 2016 at 10:49 PM Author: funkybulb
Wow dave this neat to see these in mogul base lamps

No LED gadgets, spins too slowly.  Gotta  love preheat and MV. let the lights keep my meter spinning.

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Mar 08, 2016 at 06:06 AM Author: rjluna2
Looks so tiny in the mogul bulb

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Mar 09, 2016 at 07:25 PM Author: DetroitTwoStroke
Nice. Definitely worth the price!

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Mar 10, 2016 at 04:04 PM Author: streetlight98
Awesome! I love mogul base low-wattage PSMH lamps. Especially ceramic PSMH.

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Mar 10, 2016 at 04:13 PM Author: FGS
ANY hid bulb is worth it at $1.00 each!

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.





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Mar 16, 2016 at 03:28 PM Author:
CMH is really the only HID source still worth using. Everything else is obsolete. (Sorry to all of the MV, HPS, standard MH fans out there for being honest...but you can't avoid it.)
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Mar 16, 2016 at 04:04 PM Author: Silverliner
And it's becoming obsolete due to LED.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 09:16 AM Author:
HID lights are not obsolete except for probe start metal halide.




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Want the honest truth? ALL HID is obsolete...just because you haven't seen it with your own eyes, doesn't make the truth go away.




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@lightingnut, get lost troll. Nobody wants to hear your nonsense.
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Mar 17, 2016 at 09:28 AM Author: RCM442
@chapman84 thank you!
I love all light sources and none are obsolete!

Linear fluorescent will never lose to LED!
I am not Anti-LED, as I have some in use at my house.
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Mar 17, 2016 at 09:41 AM Author: FGS
While LEDs are inevitably gonna take over most of the market within 25 years. As long people are still using them no light sources are obsolete. Not even the humble incandescent bulbs.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 09:47 AM Author: RCM442
@lightingnut, if you're in a blackout for a few weeks and all your batteries are dead, you'll be thankful we have candles!

Linear fluorescent will never lose to LED!
I am not Anti-LED, as I have some in use at my house.
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The ignorance and fanboy attitude on this board amazes me. From what I've see and heard, most posters here have no real world experience in the lighting industry and still live at home with their parents (your pictures give that away). So, continue to live in denial and love old lighting technology. I'm getting close to 30 years in the lighting industry, and I've seen a lot of changes (the new technology is better overall that the old, but I don't expect you to understand that). So, answer me this...if the old technology was soooo goood...why was it replaced? (Government conspiracy theories don't count...I see several members are into that.) If you're just wanting to collect lighting for collecting sake, I can understand that. But to put your collective heads in the sand is just plain short sighted. If you don't like LED, fine. But it is the future (and it will be main stream long before 25 years from now...more like 5 or less.)

When did I say I had a problem with candles?

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I don't have a problem with collecting...I had at one time a large collecting of HID lamps and lumenaires. My issue is the attitude of denial on the part of some members who are stuck in the past (and were most likely just a twinkle in their parents eyes...it that) when this lighting technology was new. I remember when this lighting technology was new, and it had its short comings. The lighting choices of today are 1000% better than the old.




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@ Powergroove...

I'm the looser? And yes, I do know you...I've seen your type. They're known as rednecks (and have a closed mind).
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Mar 17, 2016 at 11:28 AM Author: FGS
Got proof that LEDs are end all be all? Like a led bulb that won't fry itself to death in a hot oven. I like LEDs myself and had no problems with them. But they're perfect for everything? I don't buy that just as I don't buy the claims of "safe mode" LEDs go into.

Show proof or shut it.

I'll use ALL lighting tech where they'll do their best. Halogens in my oven. Incandescent heatlamps in bathrooms. LED tubes in frequently switched outdoors lights. MVs for security lighting. HPS for accent lights (overdriven or deluxe bulbs.) CMHs for photography (on HF ballasts designed for MHs.) And general LEDs bulbs in frequently used rooms.

Oh, yeah. VHO fluorescent bulbs in my unfinished empty basement and garage. So your "living in your mom's basement is bull."

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


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Lighting nut: you're like a bomb from Mario bros. short fuse, walking over everybody, and destroying everything. So please stop before you fall down a hole that's too deep.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 11:30 AM Author: Solanaceae
Felipe. How do you do the overdriven thing without blowing the HPS bulbs?

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Mar 17, 2016 at 11:32 AM Author: FGS
Not like 50w on 400w ballast. But the next level like 50w on 70w. 70w on 100w and so on. Excluding 400w on 1000w since that's too wide a gap.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


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Mar 17, 2016 at 11:34 AM Author: Solanaceae
Ah I see. I have a 100 I may try on a 150w ballest. I also got a case of zesty westy 100v 150w HPS that I need to get s 150 MH ballast for.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 11:35 AM Author: FGS
Zesty? That's a cute nickname. Not on vintage bulbs. Keep the overdriving to modern China bulbs.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
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Mar 17, 2016 at 11:38 AM Author: Solanaceae
Of course. The ballast for those HPS bulbs are the same as a 150 MH ballast, a funkybulb told me.

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@ lightingnut, you need to get a life. I'm real sorry that not everyone likes LED's, but that's too bad. Deal with it. If you don't like what's being posted on here, then go someplace else.
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I've suddenly been getting lots of new HID ballasts for cheap lately. Suspect LED has something to do with this.

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Well soon something will come along and push led out or led people will b crawling back to mv cause they know it's the best!

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Mar 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM Author: Silverliner
This drama defacing my CMH post?!?!? I want discussions on lamp tech, NOT arguing!

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Mar 17, 2016 at 12:14 PM Author: Powergroove
I have removed my comments that do not concern this lamp.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 12:16 PM Author: funkybulb
Look who u call a redneck. One thing LED is compleat garbage. Take Toshiba Greenstar for example. I have seen led in north side of San Antonio Tx to South Side San Antonio Tx
I seen then weeks old and driver failed
And also they have lumens maintance worse than cheapest mercury Vapor lighting.
Your 30 years of lighting maintance dont mean a hill of beans. Also some of those led tubes on mains. Have flicker worse than fluorescent and give me a headache soon as i walk in the shops. LEDs just not there yet, so beat it with your Hogwash.

Dave i admire this lamp.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 12:25 PM Author: RCM442
Dave, that lamp is awesome! Kinda funny how such a tiny arctube can handle so much power!

Linear fluorescent will never lose to LED!
I am not Anti-LED, as I have some in use at my house.
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Mar 17, 2016 at 01:52 PM Author: Solanaceae
I have a 70w halide fixture that takes Ed 23.5 mogul bulbs like this. Wish I could find a deal like that.

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@lightingnut The reason some of us are living with our parents is because were under the legal age of 18.

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Sorry Dave.

@ lightnut, I've seen your type. Arrogant, judgemental, your s*** don't stink. Any one disagrees with you and you automatically judge them as inferior to you. Name calling and slanderous remarks have no place here and neither do you. Get lost, no one wants a trouble maker in here. Who the h*** are you to judge me? You haven't learned anything in the 30 years you claim in the lighting industry. Your probably a salesman who cant make money on older technology thats why you trash it and the people who have embraced it. I hope you improve your people skills then you could probably sell more of your "new" technology.

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If YOU, lightingnut, post one more negative comment on any of my posts, Patrick will know. If I were the administrator, you would have gotten the boot by now.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 02:32 PM Author: Solanaceae
Alex is correct. There comes a magical time where people mature, you must not have reached it yet. And sorry too Dave. Removed my comments. And I also agree with power groove. Some people like the older stuff. I do, because it tends to be a lot more reliable than new, and if it could last 50 years, it could go on for 50 more no problem. Some street lights have proved this right. Sorry for what I said, but still you need to reevaluate what you commented and think before you speak.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 04:16 PM Author: Ash
"Felipe. How do you do the overdriven thing without blowing the HPS bulbs?"

There is light overpowering like Felipe does, and there is hard overpowering.. But from what i seen (thanks to some stupid sparks that think that if it fits in the socket, it must be ok) in the intermediate level (~150W lamp on 400W ballast), the lamp does not blow right away but it will be cycling, every time reaching the "white HPS" state and going out
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Mar 17, 2016 at 07:40 PM Author: streetlight98
Well since no one has answered this question, the reason one light source replaces the last one is because it's the "new thing" and it's how capitalism works. More specifically, planned obsolescence. If HPS was never pushed onto the market, most of those MVs installed in the 60s would still be in service, a considerable number of them with just their second or third lamp if not the original. Now many HPS fixtures have passed the 20-year mark and it's time for the manufacturers to push something new to get everyone to scrap the old and install the new. Of course, people wouldn't mass-replace their fixtures "just cuz" so there has to be some new benefits over the old tech. For LEDs it's the white light and slight energy savings at the cost of a higher unit price and a throwaway fixture. But these throwaway LED fixtures suit our throwaway society well and stand for what our society stands for. Everything old is better. Especially stuff from pre-70s. That stuff was built to last a very long time. Not just lighting. Many things were designed to last. Now everything is made to fail.

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I understand both sides of the argument. Yes, LEDs have come a long way and are ready to be used in many common applications. There are tons of cool designs out there that use LEDs that would be impossible with the older technology. I, myself, have (and like) a number of LED lamps, and I think the LED streetlights around here do a good job of replacing HID units. However, the difficulty of servicing LED fixtures compared to the old stuff is a very real issue. Sure, they may last 50,000 hours or more, but then what? A T8 fluorescent troffer would have just received its third set of lamps in that time (assuming they are not XL lamps), but the LED troffer will need to be ripped out and replaced entirely (not the easiest of tasks). It takes about a minute to relamp a fluorescent fixture, but a lot longer to replace one. With the lack of standardization and rapid development in the LED market today, it is likely that replacement LED modules will not be available for fixtures made just 5 years prior. This was not an issue when fluorescent lamps came out...almost all of the fluorescent lamp sizes that were available in 1945 are available today.

Also, many members of this site don't like LED and electronic fluorescent because they're just kinda boring. It's fun to watch preheat fluorescents and HID lamps fire up. I realize this is a total non-issue to the typical building owner, but that's not who this site represents. I am in the process of replacing T8 electronic troffers in my basement with 4-lamp F96T12 fixtures. The fixtures I will be installing will consume more electricity and produce less light (mainly due to the fixture design that allows light to shine upward). But I don't care. The basement actually has more than enough lighting...so much that I rarely turn all of the lights on. To make up for the reduced light output, I will simply start turning more lights on. Once I finish this project, there will be very few electronic fluorescent fixtures left in the house, and to me, that's a good thing. It's kinda like cars. Modern ones are much more efficient, safe, and reliable than cars made 30 years ago, but there is something undeniably cool about a classic car with a carburetor and few or no electronics. And in case you're wondering, I do plan to buy a classic car of my own at some point. We currently have a '78 F100, and I'm not sure there is any car made today that would give you the same feeling driving it as that truck does.

And let's not look down on those who still live with their parents. I'm 19 and in college, but I doubt my appreciation of older lighting technologies will go away over the next 10 years. Just ask some of the members here who live on their own and have collections of old lamps and fixtures much larger than mine. I have loved lights practically since birth, and I've done a lot more lighting maintenance than your average teenager. I don't know all that there is to know about lighting, but I know enough that I want to use all kinds of lighting, from incandescent and preheat fluorescent to the latest in LEDs.

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Nicely said!

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OK, First, Dave---Sorry for what I am going to say. You are one of my best friends in the world, so I respect you and want you to know this is not about your post!

Lightingnut----you really PISSED ME OFF DUDE! Everybody here knows well I often have strong opinions, especially on crappy throw away LED lights that don't even have OPTICS!!!!!!!! They can't even get enough light on the surface lit to be worth the power they consume! OK, that said, I was REALLY hurt and offended about your comment about people "still living with their parents"----YES I AM! And I will turn 50 this December! BUT---are you paralyzed from the waist down from a nasty neurological disorder that damaged your spinal cord, in a wheelchair full time, pi@#ing in a bag because you can no longer control your bladder, and also have similar issues with your bowels? I HAVE to stay here, because I have a serious disability, PLUS, I have TONS of electrical stuff, bulbs, fixtures, etc that would be impossible to store in an apartment or rented house. I get SSI---that wouldn't cover my FOOD let alone my rent and electric bills, etc! Got any better ideas for ly living accommodations, slick? You say we are stuck in the past, won't embrace the latest technology, guess what? DAMN RIGHT I WON'T! I see these LED UGLY pieces of GARBAGE going on streets; parking lots, in buildings, etc all around me, and they do a really POOR job at lighting the areas, have driver and lumen maintenance issues beyond belief, typical modern electronic JUNK, and are LESS efficient than many of those "obsolete" sources you apparently loathe! Do I hate LED's? NO. I still use the ones for indicator lights I grew up with and that are still available and very much in use today for many projects. But general lighting is NOT a good application for a technology that is otherwise OK. I am lighting my back yard with a 1954 Westinghouse OV-20 fitted with a clear 175 watt mercury lamp--one of the last of the good Sylvanias, though I still would prefer a Westinghouse Lifeguard, this is a remote ballast fixture with a F-can ballast salvaged from a demo job we did. I have electrical equipment in use and soon to be in use that would cost THOUSANDS to buy new I got before I was in a chair when we did demolition, and it was free for the taking. People talk about being "environmental" well reusing this stuff is the purest form of recycling--why wuld I waste my money on an LED fixture when I got free working preheat fluorescent fixtures, often with the original ballasts and ready for another 70 years and 70 after that, how can you even BEAT that? And my ancient 1940's fluorescent unit will blow your LED fixture into the woods efficiency and reliability wise! So much for "the best and latest technology", eh? My sister works as a salesperson for this new stuff, and is always pushing LED's on me. She just makes me want them even less, and also, your "wonderful" LED's would NEVER willingly be bought to replace good, working HID fixtures, so they have to be subsidized with MY and everybody else's TAX money! So I OWN those stupid CREE abominations in the local mall parking lot in a way! They are fee or nearly free to the people who get them through "incentives" but we pay for them through higher taxes and surcharges on our electric bills, and many people who did get them subsidized now want the old stuff back because the new stuff isn't working out! So much for replacing perfectly good, repairable fixtures with disposable, inherently unreliable LED units. These lights DO have their place, like FGS says. But they are just being pushed for EVERY application. that is WRONG.

And YES, I AM A REDNECK and DAMN PROUD OF IT, MY "FRIEND"! Please, no more nasty posts that hurt alot of good people---to me, this forum is FULL of good folks! Thank you.

DAVE----NO PROBLEMO ON A 70 WATT MH BALLAST---HAVE A BUNCH. THEY ARE IN TRACK HEADS I GOT FROM A LOCAL BUILDERS' SQUARE I GOT BACK IN 1999. DO ME A FAVOR, SEE IF YOU CAN HOOK ME UP WITH THE F90T17 OR EQUAL LAMPS I NEED, AND YOU GOT A BALLAST---WELL, I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY, OF COURSE, JUST HELP ME GET SOME F90 LAMPS. I dd this in capital letters so you can see it better, not like I was "yelling" at you or anything like that. I have some of those ballasts though, so you can be hooked up. Cheers, my dear friend, and later! Rick D!
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Rick and everyone else, I understand and thanks for your comments. I just don't find it pleasing that someone has to start the drama and insulting others here when I am interested in lamp discussion.

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I understand Dave, i admire you as a fellow lighting enthusiasts. I hope to have one of these lamps and the gear to run it.

@ricksbulbs, im a redneck and proud of it too.

Keep government out of the lighting industry.

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@ Rick D - when I said lighting tech has their own places I don't mean I think LEDs should be stuck as indicators only. Even general lighting they can do well at doing its job.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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Hi, Dave! I just had to put in my 2 cents' worth here, I hate trolls, and that comment really burned my a@#. I have to fetch ya some 70 watt MH ballasts for your CMH lamp. The units they are in are old HID track heds that were state of the art in the mid-'90's and have PAR38 QMH lamps in them. Heck, I may even retrofit some of my 1940's Stonco B-150 flood units to these lamps! I also have 100 watt GE PAR 38 CMH lamps and prolly an extra ballast to do one of these as well. These lights are up in the loft of my shop out back and have been there since 2000 when I built the shop. I have the track and all, from a Builder's Square store that went out of business in 1999, and was replaced by the Target where I worked between 2003 and 2006. Not all of the MH lamps were working, but most were as I recall, need to do something with these, even if I part out the heads and scrap the housings as well as the track, and keep the ballasts and lamps for other projects. I hear these run 75 and 100 watt merc lamps nicely with no ignitor. The 100 watt MH ballasts also rin 100 mercs fine, been there, done that! I have a bunch of 75 watt mercs gotten off ebay a while ago. (early 2000's), so I guess the 70 watt MH ballasts can run those. I want to make up some more small merc fixtures. Anyway, Dave, if ya want a 70 watt MH ballast, I can accommodate you. OH, and though I am NOT a fan at ALL of modern Philips lamps, this is a cool lamp--70 watt mogul base! And that arc tube with an inward taper in the center is neat! The CMH have a cool warm up, changing to lots of pretty colors before stabilizing.

FGS---right you are! I prefer them as indicators, but the white LED's are awesome for simulating HID on HO railroad layouts, and I do have a few LED GLS bulbs in my collection--lately I have been seeing these "ViriBright" brand remote-phosphor similar to Philips LED lamps, LED bulbs in stores like Boscov's and Ollie's bargain outlet, and many are made in Vietnam! They appear well made and re under 4 bucks. I have 2 of the A line may try one. they are cool, 4000K color. Something weird and nifty I HAD to buy! I like the remote phosphor lamps much more than phosphor-on-die lamps because they should have much better lumen maintenance. I had one of the ViriBrights apart, and took one of the silicone phosphor caps off, and it has the 2 blue and one red LED under them. there are like 8-10 of these cape in each lamp, and again they appear very well made. I wonder why nobody makes a 2x2 and 2x4 troffer with the entire lens a remote phosphor surface and the red and blue LED's up in the housing? MUCH BETTER DESIGN and closer to fluorescent. If such an LED fixture exists, I want to lay my hands on one!

Powergroove----AMEN, MY FRIEND! it is Rednecks that made this country what it should be!

Dave---I don't understand the drama either, but then again, this is a TROLL. I deal with this on my political forums, and it makes me so angry I can't even see straight! If this guy is against what we do here on a forum mainly for VINTAGE LIGHTING, then he needs to start his OWN FORUM, but ya know what? he'd he the ONLY member because nobody would want to go there except perhaps a few of his ilk at most, and even they will leave! I don't mind some stuff on LED's here, really no big deal. But this guy went WAY over the edge with his nasty comments. Cheers, Dave and ALL! Rick D!
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Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM Author: FGS
@Rick D - Where do I find Boscov and Ollie stores? I want to try one of those ViriBright LEDs. A remote phosphor fixture like you mentioned... That won't work aesthetically. It IS a sound design for making light and last a long time. But who'd want yellow ceiling tiles scattered here and there? (Excluding people who had yellow plaster tiles instead of the usual white ones. )

Then again. Troffer fixtures are usually commercial hardware so customers would see them lit up. Only the night crew would see yellow tiles.

Mebbe a deep fixture. A few rows of LEDs on the back panel and a half round phosphor tube over them. The lens would be the same existing designs. Including those grate covers.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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