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Feb 12, 2016 at 02:58 PM Author: Globe Collector
If the art work on the box truely depicts what is inside, Dave there aint much supporting that arc tube.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 03:04 PM Author: streetlight98
Well you get a few more lumens if the box is correct lol. At least they're honest with the life.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 03:12 PM Author: rjluna2
Nothing to hold the arc tube

Pretty, please no more Chinese failure.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 03:28 PM Author: Globe Collector
Yes a life of 10,000 hours sounds about right for a "middl'n" mercury lamp. Yes, Robert, something does hold it...its two lead-ins and that is all! Compare this to a "real" mercury lamp, like an MB/U and you'll see what I mean...

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Feb 12, 2016 at 03:52 PM Author: Silverliner
Yeah, the actual lamp looks exactly like the one on the package. Electrodes are like 2mm in diameter, 3mm long, with 3-4 turns of tungsten. That's it.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 05:00 PM Author: Ash
No problem with the "lack of support" if they made the weldings right. European lamps were made like that for decades, and they were good and reliable

The electrodes/arctube itself are whats wrong here
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Feb 12, 2016 at 05:04 PM Author: Globe Collector
They have to get the moly arc tube lead in wire to melt right down into the thick nickel support wire, not just tacked to its surface.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 05:07 PM Author: Ash
Isnt it like that in here ?
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Feb 12, 2016 at 06:29 PM Author: Solanaceae
Yep these suck. I have two: ones base came off and the seal for the lead in broke and the other blackened and stoped working.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 06:31 PM Author: don93s
This looks like the slightest bump will knock the one end of the arc tube loose fairly easily.
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Feb 12, 2016 at 08:55 PM Author: nicksfans
It's odd that Walmart sells GE everything in terms of lighting but has Brinks MV lamps.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:06 PM Author: Silverliner
You forgot Great Value lamps.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:12 PM Author: nicksfans
Oh, that's right.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:12 PM Author: BlueHalide
we don't need no stinking arc tube supports! And, yes as stated above the luminous output is significantly greater, as well as much whiter than a standard mercury lamp. Very similar to GE's current clear 175w mercs, bright and white, but short life. I bought one of these last time I was at Walmart to test and compare. Color is somewhere between standard MV and daylight metal halide
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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:30 PM Author: Silverliner
Did the ballast overheat from running one of these?

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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:34 PM Author: Solanaceae
Call me a dumbass, but I ran these on the Joslyn ballasts and the ballasts were barely piss warm after hours of operation on their sides. Of course, that was back when ye olde ballasts were made with quality.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:46 PM Author: Silverliner
That's good to hear. The Utilitech and Feit mercs burn up ballasts.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:49 PM Author: BlueHalide
Ran it on a proper Advance H39 (actual mercury ballast, not also rated M57) and I would say heat was normal. But, Im quite positive theres more than just mercury in these lamps, as theres a noticeable color shift when burned base up then changed to horizontal. There isn't any evidence of anything other than mercury in there when the lamp is off (that I can see) but I have a feeling theres a tiny amount of sodium. Its times like this I wish ide invested in a spectrascope
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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:52 PM Author: BlueHalide
@Keif, run yours base up then move it horizontally while its operating and see if you get the same color shift.
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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:52 PM Author: Silverliner
Hmmm. I should get one and see...

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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:55 PM Author: BlueHalide
@silverliner make sure to get the new version in the package shown above and not the older Caster-made model, many walmarts still have the older versions sitting on the shelves as I can imagine these aren't exactly a hot seller. The new version will have a dramatically smaller arctube and as you can see, no arctube supports
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Feb 12, 2016 at 09:56 PM Author: BlueHalide
disregard that last post lol I hadn't realized this is your pic im such an idiot
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Feb 12, 2016 at 10:05 PM Author: Solanaceae
It seems a bit whiter when run horizontally. The other one I have is black on the ends from my abuse.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 10:06 PM Author: Silverliner
I know what I will get, lol.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 10:07 PM Author: Solanaceae
I agree the electrodes are schei├če, it seems that these don't like working in the cold either.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 11:40 PM Author: arcblue
Brinks means security! For them - as you'll be buying new bulbs every year. This bulb will go out just shy of 10,000 hours under perfect conditions. Or 10 hours if you happen to bump the pole the fixture is on.

Seriously....Feit mercs burn out ballasts? Just H39 ones or M57 halide ballasts? I happen to like the diffused color...

I cleared out the inventory of 100w clear Caster mercs at a local store when they were $7 each. A complete waste of money, as I went thru one a year...some didn't even last that. I didn't think it was possible to sell a crappier lamp, but this Brinks lamp proved me wrong.

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Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 PM Author: nicksfans
Apparently the Feit and Utilitech 175W MV lamps use shorter 125W arc tubes. Not sure if it's to cut manufacturing costs or intentionally burn out ballasts, but they are known to cause ballasts to run hotter. Not sure if an M57 ballast would care.

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Feb 13, 2016 at 02:05 AM Author: funkybulb
Yes those cheap utilitech and feit lamps
It hard on HX ballast but they can run on cWA with weak caps in service as loosing uF on caps means reduction on lamp current.
But if cap become shorted then ballast becomes unregulated in current and thermaly runs away.

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Feb 13, 2016 at 07:20 AM Author: don93s
Interesting. Whenever I get a MV lamp, the first thing I like to do is to check the full run-up lamp voltage. A decent lamp should be ~120-130v. Anything lower will start to cause HX ballast to run hotter while higher could cause CWA ballast to run hotter. The lowest voltage I measured (aside from the Sylvania 100w ones were 17v, no mercury) was around 100v on a Philips and the highest I've seen was 140v.
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Feb 24, 2016 at 08:36 PM Author: ace100w120v
This had me laughing too!
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Oct 22, 2017 at 11:58 PM Author: ricksbulbs
An M-57 ballast won't care as they already run a lamp with a super short arc length ad low arc voltage. HX/NPF ballasts and simple 240-277 volt chokes WILL care as well as most CW and CWA ballasts because of the lower arc voltage and higher losses imparted to the ballast to absorb volts normally absorbed in the lamp. So, yeah, the short arc tube merc replacement lamps WILL cook ballasts, and yes, it is intentional because the globalist George Soros scumbag companies want to literally FORCE us to LED trash. These Brinks lamps are crap! I always test on CWA because, being constant current they are far less likely to fry, like don96s said above. This is because with a capacitor, they are constant current circuits. I bought a Brinks at Wal Mart in 2015, and ran it on a CWA ballast, brand new, and it cycled! I returned it, specifically stating it was defective, and tore a little piece of the box out to see if it would end up back on the shelf, as they said it would be placed back in stock and told me my fixture and ballast were bad, not the lamp, and lo and behold---there it was, back on the shelf a few days later! Shows the crooked policy Wal Mart uses on defective item returns!
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Oct 22, 2017 at 11:58 PM Author: ricksbulbs
An M-57 ballast won't care as they already run a lamp with a super short arc length ad low arc voltage. HX/NPF ballasts and simple 240-277 volt chokes WILL care as well as most CW and CWA ballasts because of the lower arc voltage and higher losses imparted to the ballast to absorb volts normally absorbed in the lamp. So, yeah, the short arc tube merc replacement lamps WILL cook ballasts, and yes, it is intentional because the globalist George Soros scumbag companies want to literally FORCE us to LED trash. These Brinks lamps are crap! I always test on CWA because, being constant current they are far less likely to fry, like don96s said above. This is because with a capacitor, they are constant current circuits. I bought a Brinks at Wal Mart in 2015, and ran it on a CWA ballast, brand new, and it cycled! I returned it, specifically stating it was defective, and tore a little piece of the box out to see if it would end up back on the shelf, as they said it would be placed back in stock and told me my fixture and ballast were bad, not the lamp, and lo and behold---there it was, back on the shelf a few days later! Shows the crooked policy Wal Mart uses on defective item returns!
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Apr 27, 2018 at 09:14 PM Author: Lumex120
So, has anyone taken the plunge and put one of these into dusk to dawn use? If I get my OV-15 up I might get one just to see how long it lasts running horizontally.

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Apr 27, 2018 at 09:58 PM Author: freekster0722
Lumen Efficiency is 50Lm/W. Interest Mercury Vapor lamp!
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Apr 27, 2018 at 10:08 PM Author: Globe Collector
Terrible CRI of about 30, efficacy of 50lm/W...only any good as a lamp in someone's collection, can't imagine why you'd bother actually using it....particularly now with all this semiconductor stuff about.

So, Ironically, it is definitely on the brink of existence!

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Apr 27, 2018 at 11:19 PM Author: BlueHalide
@lumex120 I was also curious as to how these would age, so I installed the one I mentioned above (that I bought in early 2016) in a 175w MH wall pack that lights the dumpster in back of a pizza restaurant (I service their exterior and lot lighting every few years). That lamp was put in summer of last year (2017) and last time I drove by at night (probably a couple weeks ago) it was still working, but appears to have dimmed down significantly. I actually noticed it was putting out less light in just a few months after installing it last year, but now its quite noticeably dim, like maybe 50% less light than when it was first installed. I wonder if its the lamp itself, or if the lamp is slowly killing the capacitor of the CWA ballast.
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Apr 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM Author: Lumex120
Ah, thanks for that. Wouldn't a proper 175w metal halide put more "strain" on the ballast than one of these because of the arctube area? If it would damage the ballast then there's no way I want to do that. Also, are you an electrician?

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Apr 28, 2018 at 12:04 AM Author: Silverliner
Were you kinda able to see the arc tube through the glass? Does the arc look shorter? In clear mercs the arc looks shorter in very dim ones due to blackened ends.

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Apr 28, 2018 at 01:28 PM Author: BlueHalide
@lumex120 these cheaply made generic mercury lamps have been known to overheat ballasts due to huge tolerances and variances in the production of these lamps, the Caster made lamps are notorious for this lamp-to-lamp non-uniformity. I have no idea who makes these newer Brinks lamps, but its clearly built down to the lowest possible cost. In some cases this creates lamps to have abnormally high or low arc voltages that cause ballast failure. I replace capacitors all the time that fail early due to replamping misapplication (wrong wattage lamp). Also, yes I am an electrician (residential/commercial)

@Silverliner I didnt get up close to the fixture, I just drove by the restaurant and didnt stop to get out and have a look, just noticed it was producing much less light. I have a feeling the arctube is just rapidly blackening up really bad as these cheap mercs often do, and therefore reducing light
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