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My poor OV 15 did not survive UPS! It was very well packed and looked like something VERY heavy landed on it. The cover was very thick and it would take a lot of force to break it. Did they use it as a speed bump or something!?

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:47 PM Author: Solanaceae
Wow that sucks, sorry for your loss. is the ballast 120?

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:48 PM Author: wattMaster
Is the lens Polycarbonate or Glass?

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:50 PM Author: Lumex120
it's VERY thick glass. As for the ballast, I haven't taken it out and cant find the label. I don't want to tamper with it if the seller wants it back.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:51 PM Author: wattMaster
Why not use Polycarbonate? Glass seems like a very dangerous and silly idea, why would they use that on streetlights?

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:52 PM Author: Lumex120
It's not dangerous if it's hard to break. Plus, that's VINTAGE quality for you.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:53 PM Author: wattMaster
I don't trust anything glass, except for photo frames and cups.
Good quality PC can actually be almost indistinguishable from real glass, but 1 cup costs about $10 I think.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:56 PM Author: Lumex120
If they used plastic this thing would have been melted a LOOOONG time ago.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 02:58 PM Author: Solanaceae
Plastic is bad and yellows over time, even acrylic. Glass is heat resistant, and if a vandal shoot out one and get glass in their eyes it's karma bicth!

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Jul 06, 2016 at 03:01 PM Author: wattMaster
Polypropylene? Or UV resistant plastic?

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Jul 06, 2016 at 03:20 PM Author: Lumex120
Good news. The seller has lots of replacement covers with no light to go with them and will send me a new one. Hopefully the new cover doesnt get damaged.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 03:21 PM Author: wattMaster
Phew.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 03:35 PM Author: Lumex120
I just checked. The ballast is 480 only. Oh well, I was kinda hoping it had a 120v tap...

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Jul 06, 2016 at 03:36 PM Author: wattMaster
Well, don't forget about transformers, they can give you the 480 Volts you need.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 04:04 PM Author: xelareverse
Rig a ballast to run as a transformer for 120-480

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Jul 06, 2016 at 08:16 PM Author: Lumex120
I am not going to plop a wad of cash for something way to bright to use in the yard. I plan on converting it to 70w MH.

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Jul 06, 2016 at 08:21 PM Author: wattMaster
That sounds more reasonable, why not mount it in your room one it is converted?
And if I was talking about making an outdoor pole for it, I mean make some kind of holder, box, drawer, something to keep the streetlight in while saving space for your collection. Do you have any closets?

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Jul 06, 2016 at 11:27 PM Author: AngryHorse
Unbelievable!, United. Parcel. Smashers strikes again!

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Jul 06, 2016 at 11:28 PM Author: xelareverse
LOL AngryHorse

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Jul 07, 2016 at 06:41 AM Author: Lumex120
I was quite worried when I saw UPS was the only option. USPS and Priority mail a
ctually do a good job and don't flatten stuff marked as "fragile".

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Jul 07, 2016 at 09:15 AM Author: Lumex120
I pieced together as much of the lens as I could and tried putting it in. The sides stay up but a large piece in the middle falls in when I try to put it together. It also says "2-way" in what I think is the middle of the cover. Most of the glass has been pulverized to microscopic pieces that I had to vacuum up out of the light and there is no hope for fixing the cover. One of the biggest reasons I got one is because it had a REAL drop lens and not just a flat glass my M250R2 has. I also replaced the ballast (480 only ) with a 35w HPS ballast just to see what the optics would have been like. I would take a picture of how I put the pieces back together but my camera seems to have vanished.

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Jul 07, 2016 at 12:16 PM Author: streetlight98
Looks like the light survived fine, just the glass broke. Still a shame. BTW, it's not called a cover, it's a refractor.

@ WattMiser: this is a 200W light. A plastic lens would either melt or turn brown. Glass is the only way to go!

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Jul 07, 2016 at 01:20 PM Author: Lumex120
I started cleaning it up today and removed the ballast (it had the remains of a hornet nest and I am very scared of hornets) and it was also full of pulverized glass from the broken refractor. I have a 35w HPS choke in it right now but it will soon be 70w MH.

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Jul 07, 2016 at 01:34 PM Author: Solanaceae
Ah, I'm not the only one who got nests lol.

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Jul 07, 2016 at 01:53 PM Author: wattMaster
Here, you have to worry about Wasps and Yellowjackets.
You would be scared of the number of bugs here.
What about tempered glass?

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Jul 07, 2016 at 03:29 PM Author: Ash
Any glass is good choice for HID. And as thick as the glass in those things is, it can withstand weather well - But not whwn the lantern (made of heavy thick Aluminum) is dropped lens down on a hard surface - It is not meant to withstand that

Clear PMMA is fair enough from UV-stability perspective, but its limited in capability - What works fair enough for HPS is still potential problem for MH and Merc

Polycarb is not suitable for any outdoor OR discharge lighting, not HID and not Fluorescent. It goes opaque and fragile with age (if installed outdoors then even from the sunlight alone, not counting the lamp) and does not take too long for that to happen either. Manuactures like to say that it is tough, but it loses that property too as it degrades
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Jul 07, 2016 at 07:56 PM Author: streetlight98
Mine had a number of wasp nests in it as well. Fortunately no live inhabitants lol.

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Jul 07, 2016 at 08:23 PM Author: Solanaceae
Poly was used in older/cheaper lenses if I'm not mistaken, too.

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Jul 07, 2016 at 08:32 PM Author: streetlight98
It's still used today. Polycarbonate refractors came out before acrylic. I think by the early 70s polycarbonate became a standard option (glass still being the default). Acrylic refractors are much better but still not as good as glass. They just don't brown out like polycarbonate does. And acrylic is cheaper than polycarbonate (that's the reason acrylic has become the standard for anything 175W or under; it always comes down to cost). Polycarbonate is around the same cost as glass. Glass is slightly more but the tiny extra cost is worth it IMO.

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Jul 07, 2016 at 08:33 PM Author: wattMaster
I would choose Acrylic over PC for those low power situations, for the extra durability.

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Jul 07, 2016 at 09:34 PM Author: streetlight98
Glass refractors are more durable than acrylic ones when in service. The fact that this refractor broke in shipping has nothing to do with the fact that its glass. It was obviously not handled properly. These refractors are made of borosilicate glass, which is really freakin' tough stuff.

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Jul 08, 2016 at 07:21 AM Author: Lumex120
Acrylic looses it's durability over time and if a severe storm comes through a weakened acrylic refractor is guaranteed to break (there was the worst storm I have ever seen a few days ago here and several streetlights have been blown open and lost their refractors. Some even got knocked down when trees fell on them. )

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Jul 08, 2016 at 07:47 AM Author: streetlight98
I don't think acrylic looses durability but polycarbonate certainly does once it browns.

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Jul 08, 2016 at 08:07 AM Author: Ash
Acrylic breaks easily if hit, but wind alone cant do anything to it. Streetlights losing the cover after wind storms come ultimately down to latches that were not closed properly or that were too loose
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Jul 08, 2016 at 08:11 AM Author: Lumex120
It was some pretty bad wind, enough to make lawn chairs and tree branches fly but not a tornado (thankfully).

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Jul 08, 2016 at 08:36 AM Author: Ash
Still, wind can open tight latches (as they should be) on a lantern. There are many lanterns with very loose latches tho, one reason is that the latches design assumes pressure between the cover and the gasket, but as the gasket ages, this pressure disappears and they remain just loosely fitting exactly together
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Jul 08, 2016 at 10:18 AM Author: streetlight98
Yeah the wind is not going to break a plastic refractor. The wind would have had to blow something into it. A common way for doors to fall of GE fixtures with the bail-latch is for the pole to get struck by a car. The doors almost always fall off. And since the reflectors are only held in with one screw on the R2 models, the reflector/socket assembly almost always falls out in the next strong wind.

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