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These are some metal halide pendants in a Micro center store. I thought they were 175w, until I saw one that had the bottom "plug" missing and I saw it had a BT37 400w lamp in it. With how many lights are in the store and how close they are together, that is definitely overkill. 250w or even 175w with only 1/3 the amount of lights would have been more than enough. There are over 150 lights in the store and so that is over 40,000 watts.

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Mar 17, 2017 at 02:38 PM Author: wattMaster
Actually, if this installation is high up, it might be a good level of light.

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Mar 17, 2017 at 02:44 PM Author: ace100w120v
Yikes!
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Mar 17, 2017 at 03:13 PM Author: Powergroove
I like it. Not a dark Spot in there. Auto zone use to use F96T12/SP35/HO in their stores. It then went to F32T8, now it is LEDismsl. Last time I was in there it was very dimly lit. They should take a lesson from these guys. I for one enjoy going into a well lit place vs. one trying to save electricity. Anybody can make less light using less watts.

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Mar 17, 2017 at 03:23 PM Author: Lumex120
These aren't that high, about 12 feet off the ground.

Any machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.

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Mar 17, 2017 at 08:58 PM Author: Seth11
These are still A LOT better than LEDs.

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Mar 17, 2017 at 09:33 PM Author: Lumex120

These are still A LOT better than LEDs.

True, but it's a pretty big waste of energy.

Any machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.

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Mar 17, 2017 at 10:04 PM Author: Powergroove
A waste of energy? I think it's a fine use of energy.

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Mar 17, 2017 at 10:54 PM Author: tolivac
A lighting system for a flashoholic---LOTS of nice,MH light!!Love this-but glad someone else is running it.40Kw is a LOT of power just for lighting equipment.Yes,BETTER than LED-and to get the same light levels-you probably would be using as much power with LED.Figure the operator of the place wanted lots of light to better display his merchandise.
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Mar 18, 2017 at 02:24 PM Author: streetlight98
this actually isn't a lot of energy used for lighting.

Let's say there's 100 of these MH lights. That's 3,600,000 lumens and 40,000 watts (not including ballast losses). In order to get that same 3600000L from F32T8s, you'd need 1242 lamps (at 2900L each) using a total of 39744 watts. So they're about the same efficiency, just fewer higher-power fixtures with MH.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 02:35 PM Author: Beta 5
Maybe some skylights would be the answer, for daytime use, they could have say every other row of fixtures on, when it gets dark then switch all of them on, for energy saving.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 02:58 PM Author: Powergroove
Skylights are a maintenance nightmare.

Keep government out of the lighting industry.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 03:01 PM Author: AngryHorse
I bet the gear rattle on a morning start up sounds awesome though!

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Mar 18, 2017 at 03:01 PM Author: streetlight98
Skylights are a big deal, as most businesses are open sun-up to sun-down. They could save a lot of money. They just have to be able to let in the right amount of light though since if they let in too much light they'll make the rest of the store look dimmer (since shoppers' eyes won't adjust to the indoor light levels) and places like grocery stores that sell perishable goods need to be careful since the direct sun from skylights can spoil produce and other perishable goods. But for a department store or something I'm all for skylights! Preferably with some sort of diffuser or parabolic optics.

Unfortunately I rarely see skylights used. I assume it ends up costing more or else they'd use them. Money drives nearly all business decisions. Sometimes it's nice to see a little natural light. Might even make some products look more appealing since no artificial lighting makes stuff look QUITE as splendid as natural sunlight. Even xenon and incandescent lighting can't beat good ol' natural sunlight.

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Skylights are a maintenance nightmare.


why is it cleaning them, or leaks in the sealing?

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Mar 18, 2017 at 03:03 PM Author: Powergroove
Yep.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 03:03 PM Author: streetlight98
Rain will clean them just fine. I assume he means the sealing. My high school had issues with that occasionally, though they also had issues with conventional windows. I have a skylight in the bathroom in my house (since it's got 4 interior walls, so no place for a conventional window). Never had any issues with it and the bathroom would be horrible without it. I sure miss it when there's a foot of snow covering it so it's dark in there during the day lol.

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why is it cleaning them, or leaks in the sealing?



If they don't open there is not much to them, other then cleaning out the cobwebs once a decade...
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Mar 18, 2017 at 03:05 PM Author: Powergroove
Rain is what makes them hard to clean. It wets the dirt then the sun bakes it on there.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 03:08 PM Author: Beta 5
What type of skylights are most common?
Here, some DIY stores & warehouses etc, that have corrugated Asbestos roofs, just have a perspex of opaque fiberglass corrugated sheet to go in, in place of an asbestos cement or steel corrugated sheet.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 06:36 PM Author: FGS
The store I work at has square opaque skylights all over the store. The lights are auto dimming ballasted F54T5s. They always keep crapping out. Ballasts deaths or bulbs dying. Dead lights all over the place except the one row lighting the registers that's on constantly 24/7. For such a system LEDs would fared better than the T5s. Fluorescent never really liked being dimmed. And ballasts are complicated either electronic or magnetic (if they exist).

My bathroom has a clear skylight over the bathtub. Awesome showering under bright sunlight. More relaxing for some reason. We rarely have to clean the glass off. Either inside or on the roof. The only spots it get is from bugs crawling on it. Most of the time it's the stupid stink bugs. Mebbe an occasional fly that got lost up there.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 06:38 PM Author: Beta 5
Tbh I've seen some dimmed T5s and they were so dull it would have been better just to turn them off completely

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Mar 18, 2017 at 06:47 PM Author: Powergroove
FSG. I wish my world was perfect like yours.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 07:33 PM Author: FGS
@PG - how so? The dimming T5s at my work are plain crappy. Unless you meant my bathroom's skylight?

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


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Mar 18, 2017 at 08:36 PM Author: Powergroove
The place I worked in 2011 had 400 skylights in it. A hail storm knocked out every one of them. After replacing the ones where I worked there would be a new leak just about every time it rained.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 09:44 PM Author: streetlight98
We've never had to clean our skylight in the 15 years we've owned our house. The rain washes it clean each time. Having holes in the roof (skylights, antennas, smoke stacks) is always a source for water intrusion. Especially when these items are added afterwards. I've seen places with skylights that leak like crazy when it rains. They were added in after remodels.

At the grocery store I work at they recently reroofed the building and every time it rains we get leaks. Before the remodel we got them too, but they took awhile to form since we had a drop ceiling, so the ceiling tiles would absorb the water and sag and then start dripping. Their fix? Swap out the saggy, discolored tile for a new one (of a different pattern than the rest, so it stuck out like a sore thumb) and repeat next time it rained. Eventually they must have either ran out of tiles or just got fed up with it, as they ended up just leaving the ceiling open where the leaks were happening so they wouldn't have to keep replacing tiles. In the remodel, they ripped out the 2x4 suspended grid ceiling, revealing a 1960s style 1X1 tack-in tile ceiling with continuous rows of 2XF40/RS strip lights, most still with the lamps! Most of the lamps looked to be 90s Philips with the thin PHILIPS etch and no green ends. They opened my store in the late 90s and threw up the drop ceiling with the 3X F32T8 troffers.

Anyway, they ripped out that ceiling too, which revealed another tacked tile ceiling over the original portion of the building (building has been expanded several times) and that ceiling had everything removed from it, as it was only inches above the other tacked tile ceiling (they just attached the new running boards to the original tile ceiling and then put the other ceiling over it; the suspended grid ceiling was a good three feet below these ceilings).

Now the store is open-concept, revealing the wooden joists for the roof (that's how old the place is! Early-mid-1950s I believe) though the expanded parts are metal. The new lights are LED high-bay lights, which are an incandescent color. I actually like them quite a bit. Well-designed fixtures and the LEDs are way up in the reflectors so there is no glare. 100% success rate too which has shocked the sh!t out of me. I thought for sure at least one of those suckers would have bit the dust. They run 24/7 too, so I guess it's only a matter of time. We've had a few LED troffers over the deli and prepared/hot foods section blow out though. All the LED T8 tubes have been good too. Yet another shock lol. The only non-LED lighting left in the store are four F32T8 lamps that they forgot to LED (they're GE Ecoluxes, 3500K) and two MH flood lights on the back of the building that weren't replaced. Everything else in the store was replaced with LEDs. They retrofitted the MH wall packs on the outside of the building and retrofitted the strip lights in the receiving room and storage rooms in the back. The exterior flood lights were all replaced with factory-LED units and the rest of the interior lighting was replaced with LEDs. The case lights were retrofitted to T8LED tubes. The register number lights got screw-in LEDs replacing the incandescent and CFL lamps. Heck even the fluorescent-backlit marquee sign alongside the road was replaced with an LED "computer screen" sign showing the store ads.

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Mar 18, 2017 at 09:48 PM Author: ace100w120v
Interesting! What do you do at that store, Mike?
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Mar 18, 2017 at 09:55 PM Author: streetlight98
I'm a cashier/service clerk. (A service clerk collects shopping carts, empties trashes, cleans/stocks the bathrooms, sweeps the floors, washes the automatic doors and the storefront windows, cleans up spills, helps old people put their groceries in their cars, and more. And there's only one service clerk on at a given time in the store so it's a lot of juggling lol. The shopping carts are the #1 job though. Trash being a close second. In the winter we also have the shovel and salt the walkways and salt the handicapped parking in both lots).

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Mar 18, 2017 at 09:58 PM Author: ace100w120v
Interesting! My godmother works in grocery as well, but not the cashier position...I can't think of the word but all the other jobs.
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Mar 18, 2017 at 09:59 PM Author: streetlight98
Customer service rep?

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Mar 18, 2017 at 10:02 PM Author: Lodge
So next time your taking something back, be nice, it might be streetlight98, I know I was customer service rep and people took out there frustrations on me all the time, like I made the TV they where to dumb to plug in...
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Mar 19, 2017 at 09:04 AM Author: streetlight98
Thanks Lodge. Fortunately I don't deal with returns but I do get frazzled by ignorant people coming through my line all the time. Typically near holidays or major storms. Everyone rushes into the store at the last minute to find there's nothing left on the shelves lol.

When I'm cashiering I actually don't get too many bad eggs but when I push carriages (aka shopping carts outside of southern New England) I get all sorts of nasty people. One lady brought the carriage back to the corral in the parking lot (where customers are supposed to bring them...) and I said "thank you" since about half the time people don't do it. She must've thought I was being sarcastic or something because she just yelled "F*ck you!". Nice, eh?

Or when I was out on a hot summer day and noticed a toddler and infant baby inside a car with the windows rolled up. I was looking in the window of the car to see if my eyes were fooling me or not. I backed up to get a view of the license plate and what make and model the car was and then I was going to head back into the store to give the information to my manager (customer service) so they could handle it (either call the owners of the car up to the desk, or call the police or whatever; obviously I'm not allowed to take any sort of action) and the parents happened to be coming out while I was near the car and they started screaming at me telling me to "Mind your own g*ddamn f*cking business! You're just a deadbeat carriage boy! Get the hell away from out car before we call the cops on you and get your @ss fire!" ...And it went on and on. I was too bewildered to even say anything. I just kinda stood there with my jaw dropped lol.

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Probably my best story (because the entire thing was caught on our HD cameras throughout the store) was when we were in the middle of the remodel. A month prior, they had been working in the upstairs and messed something up with the fire alarm so the fire alarms went off and the firetrucks showed up and the building was evacuated, the whole nine yards. All a false alarm of course. ANYWAY, the point of my saying that is to bring up the importance of a fire lane, which needs to be kept clear so that if a legit fire occurs, the trucks have a place to park to put it out. Per usual, some dingbat parked in the fire lane. Two actually. One was a beige buick, the other an SUV. The SUV had a guy in the car, so I didn't take that plate down. I had already gotten yelled at by some old man because I took his empty carriage away that he left in the middle of the store while he was in the bathrooms so I wasn't looking for any trouble (but trouble still found me...). So I just wrote down the Buick's plate and brought it to customer service.

The lady comes out to the SUV and her husband apparently thought I wrote their plate down (I guess I should have since I still got harassed for it!) and the psycho b!tch starts following me into the store as I'm pushing a row of carriages inside (I can't hear her yelling at me because the carriages make a lot of noise, as you probably know). So she's apparently yelling at me and all my coworkers on the cash registers all have their heads up staring behind me (found that out on the camera footage lol). I put the carriages in their place, turn around, and there I meet the fine piece of trash. Screaming nonsense at me all while my boss, the assistant boss, and the assistant store manager are all around me. The assistant customer service manager jumps in and starts yelling back at the lady and I sneak away while they're going at it. The lady makes an exit, screaming more obscene nonsense and as she walks out the doors she throws up both middle fingers and screams "F*ck YOU!!!"

Anyway, the entire scene was caught on one of our cameras and what a show it was lol. I wasn't even aware of half of it at the time but looking at the footage, if you weren't the one getting yelled at, it was pretty hysterical. Thankfully that's like a once-every-six-months occurrence lol.

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Mar 19, 2017 at 11:28 AM Author: Powergroove
That's why I work in a factory.

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Thanks Lodge. Fortunately I don't deal with returns but I do get frazzled by ignorant people coming through my line all the time. Typically near holidays or major storms. Everyone rushes into the store at the last minute to find there's nothing left on the shelves lol.

When I'm cashiering I actually don't get too many bad eggs but when I push carriages (aka shopping carts outside of southern New England) I get all sorts of nasty people. One lady brought the carriage back to the corral in the parking lot (where customers are supposed to bring them...) and I said "thank you" since about half the time people don't do it. She must've thought I was being sarcastic or something because she just yelled "F*ck you!". Nice, eh?

Or when I was out on a hot summer day and noticed a toddler and infant baby inside a car with the windows rolled up. I was looking in the window of the car to see if my eyes were fooling me or not. I backed up to get a view of the license plate and what make and model the car was and then I was going to head back into the store to give the information to my manager (customer service) so they could handle it (either call the owners of the car up to the desk, or call the police or whatever; obviously I'm not allowed to take any sort of action) and the parents happened to be coming out while I was near the car and they started screaming at me telling me to "Mind your own g*ddamn f*cking business! You're just a deadbeat carriage boy! Get the hell away from out car before we call the cops on you and get your @ss fire!" ...And it went on and on. I was too bewildered to even say anything. I just kinda stood there with my jaw dropped lol.

--------

Probably my best story (because the entire thing was caught on our HD cameras throughout the store) was when we were in the middle of the remodel. A month prior, they had been working in the upstairs and messed something up with the fire alarm so the fire alarms went off and the firetrucks showed up and the building was evacuated, the whole nine yards. All a false alarm of course. ANYWAY, the point of my saying that is to bring up the importance of a fire lane, which needs to be kept clear so that if a legit fire occurs, the trucks have a place to park to put it out. Per usual, some dingbat parked in the fire lane. Two actually. One was a beige buick, the other an SUV. The SUV had a guy in the car, so I didn't take that plate down. I had already gotten yelled at by some old man because I took his empty carriage away that he left in the middle of the store while he was in the bathrooms so I wasn't looking for any trouble (but trouble still found me...). So I just wrote down the Buick's plate and brought it to customer service.

The lady comes out to the SUV and her husband apparently thought I wrote their plate down (I guess I should have since I still got harassed for it!) and the psycho b!tch starts following me into the store as I'm pushing a row of carriages inside (I can't hear her yelling at me because the carriages make a lot of noise, as you probably know). So she's apparently yelling at me and all my coworkers on the cash registers all have their heads up staring behind me (found that out on the camera footage lol). I put the carriages in their place, turn around, and there I meet the fine piece of trash. Screaming nonsense at me all while my boss, the assistant boss, and the assistant store manager are all around me. The assistant customer service manager jumps in and starts yelling back at the lady and I sneak away while they're going at it. The lady makes an exit, screaming more obscene nonsense and as she walks out the doors she throws up both middle fingers and screams "F*ck YOU!!!"

Anyway, the entire scene was caught on one of our cameras and what a show it was lol. I wasn't even aware of half of it at the time but looking at the footage, if you weren't the one getting yelled at, it was pretty hysterical. Thankfully that's like a once-every-six-months occurrence lol.



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Yea, people are interesting and as soon as they start with the name calling or profanities I normally get right under there skin until they leave or the police remove them, honestly I couldn't care if they dropped the tv off their truck driving down a highway and a tractor trailer ( Lorry ) ran over it following behind them, as long as you a nice about it and you have a receipt, you'll get your money back or a replacement but when the name calling starts I wish them the best of luck, or you better come back when I'm off shift and try again and hope I didn't print off your picture and told the other staff not to be very helpful, which I normally do... People who think they can get something from being ignorant really annoy me, I've had only one guy come back with a 24 of beer to say thanks to the staff in the store, he walked out with a old demo blueray player to go with his new TV...
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Mar 19, 2017 at 02:11 PM Author: FGS
My God Streetlight98! And I thought my cart wrangling job was bad.

I haven't had to deal with angry customers and such. The low pay is why I'm taking automotive repair classes. More varied than wrangling carts all day long. Your story just gave me a good kickstart to finish my classes and find a shop to get a job fixing cars and soon!

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Mar 19, 2017 at 06:44 PM Author: streetlight98
My store is a higher-end grocery store like Whole Foods, but it's locally owned. So a good chunk of our customers are well-off financially. It's often those folks who are the worst to other people. Somehow driving that new Cadillac and living in that nice cookie-cutter neighborhood makes some people feel like no one else matters...

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You can never go overkill on the lights
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Jan 01, 2019 at 01:13 AM Author: Lumex120

You can never go overkill on the lights

One nice thing about this place is that on a sunny day, your eyes don't have to adjust to the bright sunlight when you step out lol.

Any machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.

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