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My local Walmart is starting to use indoor LEDs.

My local Walmart is starting to use indoor LEDs.

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Well, in this case they are using Philips instant fit retrofit LED tubes. Which is smart, because replacing the whole fixture cost much more than putting these LED retrofit tubes. Half of these fixtures still have regular GE Ecolux fluorescent tubes.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 03:45 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
Man, they did this in the Wal-Mart in Fontana and now it is SO DIM!

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Mar 14, 2019 at 03:50 PM Author: Powergroove
I prefer a ceiling full of slimlines. This junk has made life a little less enjoyable for me. So tell me again how 2010's are better than the 80's. In my high school store which was lit by sylvania F40/CW in 4 lamp troffers a student could buy ludens cherry flavored cough drops. In the same school store which is lit by the same fixtures which have now been downgraded to F32T8 there are no cough drops, my niece got suspended from school for having drugs, the drugs were the same ludens cherry cough drops that I purchased in that same room with the sylvania F40/CW. F40/CW was popular because it was decently bright and cheap to make and buy. They did make high performance T12 and f32T8 in the 80's but people preferred the cheapest option. The comparisons they were doing in the early 90's with T8 to T12 were heavily skewed to make T8 appear far more superior to T12 than it really is. I have never saw one of those so called comparisons done with a T8 and T12 in which the same phospher was used in each lamp. Most of the time they compare F40/CW/ES to F32T8/800 series. I wonder why none of these comparisons were never done witn GE SPX, philips Advantage, or Sylvania 800 designer series. They were always done with the high end T8's compared to the cheapest low end T12.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 03:50 PM Author: Silverliner
Hate these LED retrofit tubes. Merchandise don’t pop out as well as under fluorescent lights.

May all the great lighting technologies have their place in history.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 04:04 PM Author: lightinglover8902

Man, they did this in the Wal-Mart in Fontana and now it is SO DIM!


Yeah, it was pretty dim once I walked in. A significant downgrade. Some of the fixtures were left without any tubes. But most of the fixtures have GE Ecolux fluorescent tubes. Its like they ran out of LED tubes.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 07:45 PM Author: suzukir122
I gotta say this... I agree with Powergroove... honestly, LED is beginning to really slap me in the face as far as depression goes. I use to
get excited as a kid, wondering what kind of fluorescent lighting lit the store, and whether I'd get to see an EOL lamp. Now it's like... sigh.
"Well this store is probably lit with LED's and EOLED's." I walk in, and store is completely LED infected. My job -- also experiencing LED infection. The LED's are dimmer, and the color they produce is much, much more depressing. DEFINITELY less inviting compared to the fluorescent, and they flicker at
120 hertz, as if they're magnetic ballasted. Those LED tubes seem weak... every single time their is some sort of power surge, or if something that
requires a lot of power begins to operate, the LED tubes flicker very noticeably. I've NEVER seen the fluorescent tubes flicker.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 07:53 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40

I gotta say this... I agree with Powergroove... honestly, LED is beginning to really slap me in the face as far as depression goes. I use to
get excited as a kid, wondering what kind of fluorescent lighting lit the store, and whether I'd get to see an EOL lamp. Now it's like... sigh.
"Well, this store is probably lit with LED's and EOLED's." I walk in, and the store is completely LED infected. My job -- also experiencing LED infection. The LED's are dimmer, and the color they produce is much, much more depressing. DEFINITELY less inviting compared to the fluorescent, and they flicker at
120 hertz, as if they're magnetic ballasted. Those LED tubes seem weak... every single time there is some sort of power surge, or if something that requires a lot of power begins to operate, the LED tubes flicker very noticeably. I've NEVER seen the fluorescent tubes flicker.


It really is depressing to see not-LED fixtures go. I loved the golden glow of the HPS lights in my area but when they got replaced? All I see is dim and glary. Even my T-12 lit elementary school is starting to be infected with LED disease. Though some of the exterior is LED, my high school is still lit with fluorescents and I also help them maintain them too!

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Mar 14, 2019 at 08:02 PM Author: Lumex120
To be honest I'm really starting to loose interest in lighting in general. I think that LEDs replacing everything is a big part of it, there's no variety in anything anymore. In the downtown area of my hometown there's not a single non-LED light in site. This is in a commercialized area with lots of businesses. It's bad enough now, imagine what it's going to be like in 10 years. Non-LED stuff probably isn't even going to be made anymore.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 08:04 PM Author: wattMaster

To be honest I'm really starting to loose interest in lighting in general. I think that LEDs replacing everything is a big part of it, there's no variety in anything anymore. In the downtown area of my hometown there's not a single non-LED light in site. This is in a commercialized area with lots of businesses. It's bad enough now, imagine what it's going to be like in 10 years. Non-LED stuff probably isn't even going to be made anymore.

That's why I'm trying to make some new HPS bulbs to beat LED at its own game.

SLS!

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Mar 14, 2019 at 08:29 PM Author: Cole D.

To be honest I'm really starting to loose interest in lighting in general. I think that LEDs replacing everything is a big part of it, there's no variety in anything anymore. In the downtown area of my hometown there's not a single non-LED light in site. This is in a commercialized area with lots of businesses. It's bad enough now, imagine what it's going to be like in 10 years. Non-LED stuff probably isn't even going to be made anymore.


I know what you mean. I wouldn't mind LED if it wasn't so intent on eliminating its competition. I don't get why when other technologies came out, they didn't stop making everything else because of it, like they are with LED. Everyone else seems to think I'm just stupid and should accept LED is better than everything else and be grateful because of how its made life better, like TV monitors and such. But nobody seems to care about older lighting technologies, even if they like vintage stuff in general.
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Mar 14, 2019 at 09:06 PM Author: lightinglover8902
I agree with @Cole D. on this.

My rant on LEDs:

LED IS A WORST AND MOST STUPIDEST DECISION EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND YET, MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY FAIL! ONCE IT FAILS, ITS CRAP GOING TO THE GARBAGE!!!!!! Every time if a LED fails, fails, and fails. Its garbage, garbage, GARBAGE!!!!! Thats why most manufacturers discontinue HID, and fluorescent fixtures so people have no choice but to.................... wait oh yeah that, STUPID, BORING, INSTANT ON CRAP LEDS. TALK ABOUT MORE FAILURES HERE GOING TO THE GARBAGE!!!!!

And that is my rant on LEDs.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 09:22 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
This is my rant: If LED products were made good it WOULDN'T be crap. But, they make them bad and make ridiculous claims so they can make more money and phase out the old technology. Even back then, when the first CFLs came out (the preheat ones, adapter and not-adapter types) they were high quality, but that did not affect the incandescent' quality. But when LED came out, it was a race for money. They are purposely trying to make the older technology look like crap to promote the new stuff.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 09:33 PM Author: lightinglover8902

This is my rant: If LED products were made good it WOULDN'T be crap. But, they make them bad and make ridiculous claims so they can make more money and phase out the old technology. Even back then, when the first CFLs came out (the preheat ones, adapter and not-adapter types) they were high quality, but that did not affect the incandescent' quality. But when LED came out, it was a race for money. They are purposely trying to make the older technology look like crap to promote the new stuff.


Yep. And new stuff which is LEDs, is GARBAGE!!

I ONLY like LED when its colored, or in a car or a flashlight. And for home use. NOT for commercial use. Thats all

No offences please. I do like other lighting sources, like HID, fluorescent, and etc. Other than LED.

I really wanted a Cooper OVW, but my parents just don't even care. And wouldn't EVEN let me ask the crew members for the fixture. Its just..... just sad. And its a rare fixture too and one of my favorites streetlight fixtures, because it looks like a Westinghouse OV-25. Plus I also talked to my brother about it (which he drives a 2019 Chevy Colorado) I asked him today about it and he don't give a crap either!

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Mar 14, 2019 at 10:21 PM Author: suzukir122
Yeah the only LED's I own are currently on my bike(s) and soon to be on my car. That's it. LED's will NOT be in my home. Ever. No way, no how.
That's literally the only fight I can make regarding LED's. I hate to say it, but trying to bring down the LED movement, as awesome as it sounds,
it won't prove to be a successful fight. There is literally nothing we can do about it. Has it decreased my interest in lighting?? Heck no. Not even
close... but has it made things predictable and depressing for me regarding the lighting world outside of home? Absolutely.

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Mar 14, 2019 at 10:22 PM Author: fluorescent lover 40
I remember somebody at my local True Value SAVED me a GE M-400! But my dad never let me have it!

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Mar 15, 2019 at 05:32 AM Author: Powergroove
Thats it. When I was living at home I couldn't get lighting that I wanted. Be it parents or couldn't afford it. Now that I can get what I want those a holes in washington made them illegal. That is tyranny.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 06:20 AM Author: lightinglover8902
I'm considering going to restores for lighting, once I live on my own.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 08:41 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
I still live at home presently but do not have any resistance from my dad about my lighting. As long as its not in his way its cool. My stresses come from the fact im planning to move on my own and itll be a pain to move loads of lighting to the next place safely
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Not a good idea. You now have a high failure likelihood when the ballast goes out. Remove the ballast and you remove a failure point.

The more you hate the LED movement, the stronger it becomes.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 09:25 AM Author: lightinglover8902

Not a good idea. You now have a high failure likelihood when the ballast goes out. Remove the ballast and you remove a failure point.


Well, these aren't the mains LED tubes though. Although, its highly likely that the ballasts in these fixtures may go out soon on these LED retrofit tubes.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 09:27 AM Author: Powergroove
Led has a driver (switching power supply) whether internal or external. So it is not really eliminating a failure point to remove the ballast. I would prefer them to be separate so only the defective part will be replaced.

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I've always wondered about that... can direct replacement LED's reduce an electronic fluorescent ballasts life? If so, has
anyone seen this take place yet?

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My dad is fine with new lighting. I go to at least 3 different ReStores in my area and now, my dad doesn't have a problem with that.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 11:25 AM Author: Lightingguy1994
I have 6 LED tubes in use here, 3 are on single lamp strips in basement each on a Sylvania quicktronic F32T8 ballast and no failures at all. Another tube is in the kitchen on a full size can Sylvania ballast and it sees nightly use for well over a year now. Tubes are Osram glass 17w LED

Also in the basement my 8 foot wrap has two 2lamp Accupro ballasts, each running one costco brand LED tube. Fixture is on a 10 minute timed occupancy switch. I don't think it matters to the ballast to have LED on it.
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Mar 15, 2019 at 12:44 PM Author: lightinglover8902
Yeah, but crappy branded LED tubes can cause ballast failures.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 04:08 PM Author: xmaslightguy
Anymore I really don't mind if I see LED retrofit-tubes in some store's formerly F32T8 lights.
The whole fixture replaced with a LED fixture, that I dislike
And any F96 (T8 or T12) replaced with 4-foot (fluorescent or LED) I also dislike.


I have a pair of LED tubes in the basement laundry-room light, and another pair in a fishtank (an extra thing in the basement that is by no means a display tank, basically just one for all the leftover stuff). Places like that are fine by me, I deff wouldn't want them in the bedroom or familyroom, or one of the 'real' fishtanks (especially if said tank has plants)


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can direct replacement LED's reduce an electronic fluorescent ballasts life
If its one of the older F32-only ballasts, then I'd say 'very possibly' could kill it, if its a multi-lamp-size (F17-F32) ballast, then probably it'd be fine.

Colored Fluorescent's such as F40T12 Red or  Green or Blue are awesome...

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Mar 15, 2019 at 08:08 PM Author: Cole D.
Well, my car has LED and some appliances have LED there and I like it in those cases. Like the color change LEDs in my car. And I don't even minded it for street lights or store lights. BUT I rather have a choice in what I can buy and use, and to me that is free market and free choice, and they want to take that away. And I have a big problem with that.

And I live at home, and my parents don't mind me collecting lighting. But I won't collect the street lights because they take too much room. But if I lived on my own house and afford it, then I'd get some of them, probably.
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My job is replacing all of their T8 lamps in the 4, 6 and 8 lamp highbays, with direct replacement LED tubes. Those T8 fluorescent
lamps have been in there for YEARS, running strong but yellowing thanks to the "shatter resistant" shields they have. Each highbay
fixture contains a Programmed Start ballast.

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Mar 16, 2019 at 12:16 AM Author: ace100w120v
I myself prefer T12, maybe it's just nostalgia. Was never a fan of T8 to be honest. I've started going LED back home, but only because being off-grid power draw is a concern.
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