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A/E Model 125 street light with multi-tap ballast and photo control. These are heavy fixtures and sadly will cease to be on the manufacturing line.

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Manufacturer:American Electric
Model Reference:125
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Lamp Type:HPS
Base:Mogul
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Fixture Type:Street
Ballast Type:HID
Socket Type:Porcelain Mogul
Photocell Type:Twist Lock
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Wattage:400
Voltage:Multi
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Application/Use:Street

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I want one of these!
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Nov 05, 2019 at 11:44 PM Author: Silverliner
Is AEL going to discontinue the HID line soon?

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Nov 06, 2019 at 12:52 AM Author: tolivac
Really nice light!!!
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Nov 06, 2019 at 06:49 AM Author: GE101R

Is AEL going to discontinue the HID line soon?


The way I understand it from one of their distributors, yes. Acuity (A/E) will not tell you that.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:21 AM Author: FGS

The way I understand it from one of their distributors, yes. Acuity (A/E) will not tell you that.


Why wouldn’t they?

Looks like we’re having a repeat of the transition from incandescent streetlights to MV with many manufacturers discontinuing the production of mainly incandescent only street light fixtures. Nobody were buying them anymore so why keep them in production? Both back then with incandescent and now with LEDs. Sucks but that’s life of technology evolving. There will be a small company one day that’d make HID fixtures like there’s some making vinyl records. So HID tech isn’t going away anytime soon.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


LED brainwash? No, people uses them cuz they work well for them.

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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:28 AM Author: GE101R

Why wouldn’t they?

Looks like we’re having a repeat of the transition from incandescent streetlights to MV with many manufacturers discontinuing the production of mainly incandescent only street light fixtures. Nobody were buying them anymore so why keep them in production? Both back then with incandescent and now with LEDs. Sucks but that’s life of technology evolving. There will be a small company one day that’d make HID fixtures like there’s some making vinyl records. So HID tech isn’t going away anytime soon.

Because they do not want customers to buy from other manufacturers before they shut the lines. It's "money".
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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:30 AM Author: wattMaster

The way I understand it from one of their distributors, yes. Acuity (A/E) will not tell you that.


What did they say?

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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:32 AM Author: GE101R

What did they say?


They said the company expects the HID to be shut down "in the near future". I took it literally.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:32 AM Author: wattMaster

They said they expect the HID top be shut down "in the near future". I took it literally.

"In the near future" could mean a lot, and considering that the people at electric supplies love to make assumptions, I wouldn't count on it.

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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:34 AM Author: GE101R

"In the near future" could mean a lot, and considering that the people at electric supplies love to make assumptions, I wouldn't count on it.

They talk to the manufacturer's representatives all the time, we don't.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:35 AM Author: wattMaster

They talk to the manufacturer's representatives all the time, we don't.

I know someone who knows a representative, so I might be able to ask them for the juicy stuff like aluminum molds.

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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:42 AM Author: GE101R

I know someone who knows a representative, so I might be able to ask them for the juicy stuff like aluminum molds.

Only time will tell. It's like the SOX lamps, here today and gone tomorrow. GE is already putting their LED fixures in front of what remaining HID's they produce and Holophane who is owned by Acuity as
is A/E has changed/is changing everything over to LED.
Hate to see if but it looks like it will not stop.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 10:11 AM Author: GE101R

Why wouldn’t they?

Looks like we’re having a repeat of the transition from incandescent streetlights to MV with many manufacturers discontinuing the production of mainly incandescent only street light fixtures. Nobody were buying them anymore so why keep them in production? Both back then with incandescent and now with LEDs. Sucks but that’s life of technology evolving. There will be a small company one day that’d make HID fixtures like there’s some making vinyl records. So HID tech isn’t going away anytime soon.

I agree. It's not going away totally. I remember the incandescent to mercury vapor transition and the time frame of so many of those great 30-50's fixtures being thrown into the company trash bins. You could not even give them away.
This year two utilities sold off skids of new HID cobra heads. Some of these ended up on Ebay which finally sold 200 NIB Cooper with glass refractors for 800.00 OBO. They finally sold and PG&E auctioned of skids of their GE FCO fixtures and I found an auction site on day that had the auction for them and they sold for 2-300.00 dollars per skid. These were 310/400 watt fixtures NIB. Some of these ended up on ebay for less than a hundred dollars a fixture. I never thought I would see the day when 200 cobra HPS fixtures would sell for 800.00 but it happened.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 08:37 PM Author: Lumex120
AEL is going to be discontinuing HID soon? Really sad to hear that but not at all surprised. Honestly the future looks pretty bleak for this hobby if things continue at the current rate they are at.

This past summer I had tried to order a 70w PSMH model 115 from them since I had been wanting one for years but I was able to get nowhere with that. oh well

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Nov 06, 2019 at 08:47 PM Author: GE101R

AEL is going to be discontinuing HID soon? Really sad to hear that but not at all surprised. Honestly the future looks pretty bleak for this hobby if things continue at the current rate they are at.

This past summer I had tried to order a 70w PSMH model 115 from them since I had been wanting one for years but I was able to get nowhere with that. oh well

It looks that way but some people say otherwise. As I said, only time will tell but I am afraid you are correct!
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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:01 PM Author: Cole D.

It looks that way but some people say otherwise. As I said, only time will tell but I am afraid you are correct!


Some of the HID models on their site are listed as discontinued. You have to click on each one to see if it is or not though. They really seem to be pushing the LEDs though, the HID stuff is almost buried.

https://americanelectriclighting.acuitybrands.com/product-selector#t=ablProducts&sort=relevancy&layout=card

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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:03 PM Author: GE101R

Some of the HID models on their site are listed as discontinued. You have to click on each one to see if it is or not though. They really seem to be pushing the LEDs though, the HID stuff is almost buried.

https://americanelectriclighting.acuitybrands.com/product-selector#t=ablProducts&sort=relevancy&layout=card

Same way with GE.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:13 PM Author: Cole D.

Same way with GE.


True, although AEL has a slightly larger selection than GE. Such as they still offer a ballast in arm, floor lights and contemporary post tops. GE mostly only offers two post tops, the cobras and 201SA in HID.

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Nov 06, 2019 at 09:36 PM Author: GE101R

True, although AEL has a slightly larger selection than GE. Such as they still offer a ballast in arm, floor lights and contemporary post tops. GE mostly only offers two post tops, the cobras and 201SA in HID.


Yea, I have been trying to pick up an A/E 165 for almost a decade and they have eluded me. I bought 18 GE Powr/Bracets back in 2012 and LG member Miles bought the last two 250W HPS. I originally had 9 400W Mercury Vapor and had trouble selling them in 2014. Should have kept them.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 10:00 PM Author: Cole D.

Yea, I have been trying to pick up an A/E 165 for almost a decade and they have eluded me. I bought 18 GE Powr/Bracets back in 2012 and LG member Miles bought the last two 250W HPS. I originally had 9 400W Mercury Vapor and had trouble selling them in 2014. Should have kept them.


Unfortunately, they did discontinue the dusk to dawn model which I think was formerly a Westinghouse design?

I like the AEL 165 too, they used to be pretty common here but now getting pretty sparse, since GEC, replace all HPS with LED instead of relamping. Some day I really want a 400W GE Powr/Bracket. I know of none still in use here, but a few abandoned ones still exist. I'll never get them, GEC not interested in selling or giving any old lights. If I was use it, I'd convert to smaller wattage, but I like the big refractor, best.

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Nov 06, 2019 at 10:02 PM Author: GE101R

Unfortunately, they did discontinue the dusk to dawn model which I think was formerly a Westinghouse design?

I like the AEL 165 too, they used to be pretty common here but now getting pretty sparse, since GEC, replace all HPS with LED instead of relamping. Some day I really want a 400W GE Powr/Bracket. I know of none still in use here, but a few abandoned ones still exist. I'll never get them, GEC not interested in selling or giving any old lights. If I was use it, I'd convert to smaller wattage, but I like the big refractor, best.


Keep trying to find one and you will. I will let you know if I run across one for sale.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 10:22 PM Author: lightinglover8902
You see, this is why that so many DOT and other people are switching to LED, just because of the STUPID RIDICULOUS CLAIMS!!!! Which so far, I've seen not one, BUT A WHOLE LOT of LED fixtures failing in a strobing and flashing manner! So this is why that alot of lighting manufacturers discontinue HID fixtures just because of the stupid claims of LED fixtures.

Save the Cooper OVWs!! Don't them down by crap LED fixtures!!!

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Nov 06, 2019 at 10:41 PM Author: Lumex120
The big thing I just don't think can possibly be true is the ridiculous 100,000 to 150,000 hour ratings that almost all LED fixtures have now. With how inexpensive they are now I just don't see how that's going to be profitable for the companies that make them. This is why Lifeguard mercury lamps were discontinued, isn't it? They just were lasting way too long and Westinghouse/Philips wasn't making enough profit from them. I can't see why it wouldn't be the same with LED fixtures now. 100,000 hours is like over 30 years of dusk to dawn service.

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Nov 06, 2019 at 11:22 PM Author: GE101R

The big thing I just don't think can possibly be true is the ridiculous 100,000 to 150,000 hour ratings that almost all LED fixtures have now. With how inexpensive they are now I just don't see how that's going to be profitable for the companies that make them. This is why Lifeguard mercury lamps were discontinued, isn't it? They just were lasting way too long and Westinghouse/Philips wasn't making enough profit from them. I can't see why it wouldn't be the same with LED fixtures now. 100,000 hours is like over 30 years of dusk to dawn service.

I think as time passes the fixtures will prematurely fail. Voltage surges will kill many. IMO.
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Nov 06, 2019 at 11:29 PM Author: lightinglover8902

I think as time passes the fixtures will prematurely fail. Voltage surges will kill many. IMO.


Well not unless it has a built in surge protection in it. Its likely the surge protection will fail first, then the fixture. Most LED street lighting has built in surge suppression from lightning, and voltage spikes. But then again.... The lightning can kill the surge suppression inside of the fixture.

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Nov 06, 2019 at 11:33 PM Author: GE101R

Well not unless it has a built in surge protection in it. Its likely the surge protection will fail first, then the fixture. Most LED street lighting has built in surge suppression from lightning, and voltage spikes. But then again.... The lightning can kill the surge suppression inside of the fixture.

Voltage surge protectors are fine for a computer but not on a power line. IMO
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Nov 07, 2019 at 06:17 AM Author: wattMaster

This past summer I had tried to order a 70w PSMH model 115 from them since I had been wanting one for years but I was able to get nowhere with that. oh well

I didn't forget! Do you still want me to get a 115 quote for you?

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Nov 07, 2019 at 10:39 AM Author: FGS

Voltage surge protectors are fine for a computer but not on a power line. IMO


Where do you think computer gets power from? The very same power line that feeds the streetlights. I mean I can easily plug a collection piece streetlight (HID or LED) in a surge protected power strip the computer is plugged in.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


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Where do you think computer gets power from? The very same power line that feeds the streetlights. I mean I can easily plug a collection piece streetlight (HID or LED) in a surge protected power strip the computer is plugged in.


You have lightning hit a pole and it discharges on the nearest ground wire or arrester. The "surge" is there looking for a place to find ground. Way before the meter, outlets, surge protectors, phones, tv's, appliances, washing machines and you name it. The street light is closer to any of these. Where do you think lightning discharges a direct hit before it goes into the house? Surge protectors are a joke on the power lines. 1 million volts versus a piece of plastic...
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Nov 07, 2019 at 06:38 PM Author: Lumex120

I didn't forget! Do you still want me to get a 115 quote for you?

If you are able to, that would be great! Do you still have that PM with the catalog number I wanted?

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Is this it: 115 07M XN 120 R3 DG PL?

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If you are able to, that would be great! Do you still have that PM with the catalog number I wanted?

You still looking for a 150W MH 115?
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Nov 07, 2019 at 09:26 PM Author: Lumex120

You still looking for a 150W MH 115?

Not really, that would be too high wattage. I really want to get one in 70w since it's not too bright and, with a ceramic lamp, would make for a nice driveway/yard light.

Is this it: 115 07M XN 120 R3 DG PL?

Yep, that would be it.

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Yep, that would be it.


Yes, it would.
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Nov 08, 2019 at 08:43 AM Author: Metal Halide Boy
I still want one of these!
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I still want one of these!



There are some on Ebay for sale as of yesterday.
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There are some on Ebay for sale as of yesterday.

Can you post a link?
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Can you post a link?


I did not copy the post.
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