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philips l-prize lamp finally got one

philips l-prize lamp finally got one

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got it on clearance at home depot, yep on clearance! i would never spend $50 on a bulb like this, not even $20. it registered at 9.2w on the killawatt with a power factor of 0.79. philips touts this as everything you'd want in a light bulb, but i notice it still casts a fluorescent hue that people may find unappealing.

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Manufacturer:philips
Model Reference:BCA19/LPRIZE/2700-900 DIM
Lamp
Lamp Type:led
Filament/Radiator Type:none
Base:e26
Shape/Finish:A19
Service Life:25000h
Electrical
Wattage:10w (9.2w on killawatt)
Voltage:120v
Current:0.108A
Optical
Lumen Output:940
Color Temperature:2700K
Color Rendering Index:90
Physical/Production
Factory Location:wisconsin, usa (final assembly with usa and chinese parts)
Fabrication Date:7/12
Application/Use:general

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Mar 16, 2013 at 02:58 AM Author: dor123
Assembled in USA? Forget this. This lamp made (And assembled) in China.
Also, from calculations, this lamp would have both 94lm/w (Calculation from the rated lumens and watt) and 90 CRI, which is unrealistic combination. Either the actual lumens are much lower than the rated one, or more correctly: the CRI is much lower than 90 (If you describes that "it still casts a fluorescent hue that people may find unappealing").
From the rated life you can forget. LEDs can't last 22.8 years or 25.000 hours in a lamp (And in general lighting applications generally), considering also that this lamp either have no heatsinking at all or its heatsink is very poor (Lamp color body is white, heatsinking must not be colored, the coloring may block the path of the depressed heat from the LEDs to the air, causing heatsinking (And therefore LEDs) overheating and early lamp failure).
This is one of the other reason for my boycott on Philips Lighting, beside their primary accounting for the lamp/tube/ballast phasing out.

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Mar 16, 2013 at 03:29 AM Author: DetroitTwoStroke
"Saves $37.50 in energy costs" but at $50 each it will never pay for itself. That definitely shows that the DOE was involved

Pride and quality workmanship should lie behind manufacturing, not greed.

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Mar 16, 2013 at 03:40 AM Author: dor123
$50 = 184.05 ILS!!!! This is even more expensive than an Philips Belgium HPI-T 400W or an Osram Germany HQI-T 400W pulse start MH lamps!!!!!

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Mar 16, 2013 at 03:57 AM Author: DetroitTwoStroke
I think they were selling for around $40 at Home Cheapo, but they are having a special or something now and they're selling for around $15.

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Mar 16, 2013 at 06:15 AM Author: Ash
Thats about as much as "flowerbed of 5mm LEDs" / 3-5W "proper" LED lamps here cost
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Mar 16, 2013 at 09:54 AM Author: Alights
These and the Philips ambient led lamps are probably best on the market in terms of quality but only time will tell
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Mar 16, 2013 at 10:14 AM Author: RCM442
Dor123, QUIT acting like a know it all! As long as the color isn't black, it will be fine!

Linear fluorescent will never lose to LED!
I am not Anti-LED, as I have some in use at my house.
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Mar 16, 2013 at 10:27 AM Author: FGS
Dork123 - We get it that you hate Philips for some unknown weird reasons. Some of us happens to use these and happened to like them. It's their money to spend as they wish. You don't like Philips lamps. Great, don't buy them. That's your loss. Leave the other people alone with their Philips LEDs. Try them out before you talk trash about them.

I haven't bought the L-Prize lamp yet so I can't say much about them good or bad, but I own a few AmbientLEDs and I can tell you they're fantastic compared to the spirals lamps. My friend showed me the internals of both the L-Prize lamp and the AmbientLED one. The white and silver parts are METAL. He scratched some part of the metal on the lamp and it showed it's metal not some weird metallic colored plastic or whatever. I saw him do it personally.

Heatsinks aren't only those aluminum finned parts with a fan on them. It only have to soak up heat from something and dissipate it to the air to be called heatsinks.

So this lamp is assembled in the US from parts made in China/Taiwan/Thailand. Big deal. A lot of stuff are made in one country but assembled in another country. I bet the computer you're using was assembled in Israel but with parts made in China.

As for the $50 a piece for this lamp. That's the initial price. Now they're cheaper. Last I have seen one of these for sale was $25. Probably lower by now. I remember seeing AmbientLEDs selling for $40 each a few years ago. I bought them for $12 each.

Oh, yeah. Almost forgot. No, I do NOT work for Philips or anyone related to them.

Why I like LEDs on top of other lighting tech?
LEDs = Upgrade 95% of the applications. (That is if you avoid eBay's LEDs).


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Mar 16, 2013 at 03:36 PM Author: Silverliner
well, i bought this lamp just for my collection especially that they went on clearance for about $15 or so. i don't need to spend $50 to feed the led revolution and china lol.

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Mar 16, 2013 at 06:38 PM Author: TudorWhiz
Dor123. It seems you still hate American products and judge things without even trying them or touching or knowing the facts....that can get you in trouble man.

Those lamps have metal bodies with plastic yellow covers. The cheaper silver version says made in China while this one says Assembled in the USA...also using those, and many other LEDs (Sylavania, Feit. GEs, and others...those above are actually my favorite! Felipe (FGS) who's my friend has seen my LED stuff and can indeed confirm it!

You seem pretty paranoid and negative...in fact you telling people not to use your name...seems far fetched....like of you were hiding something or actually did something bad....don't ya think?

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Mar 16, 2013 at 07:16 PM Author: BG101
I wonder if these are being sold at a loss, or whether they were hoping to make a big profit on them just because they are LED technology/the latest fad?


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Mar 16, 2013 at 09:23 PM Author: joseph_125
Dor, I agree with Rudy, Felipe, and Jace many of us from North America are tired of your hate towards American lighting products. Unless you tried them personally I think you should stop being negative in regards to American lighting products and Philips. If you don't have something nice to say please don't comment at all. Also not to be rude but your signature about people using your name is really rude and makes it look like to new members that you have something to hide...

While I don't agree with bulb bans, Philips LED bulbs are imo ont of the better ones on the market today. I have a few of their LED bulbs and are quite satisfied with their performance.
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Mar 16, 2013 at 10:35 PM Author: DetroitTwoStroke
I haven't tried these LEDs, but I'm glad that Philips is assembling them in the U.S.A. Everything else Philips sells/makes here is low cost low quality junk, so it's nice to hear that Philips is making something decent!

Pride and quality workmanship should lie behind manufacturing, not greed.

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Mar 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM Author: dor123
Quote from TudorWhiz: "Dor123. It seems you still hate American products and judge things without even trying them or touching or knowing the facts....that can get you in trouble man."
Who said that I hate american products? I simply hate the new technology of LEDs in general lighting. This technology puts the light bulbs in danger of extinction.
Also there is a lot of consumerism promotions in this area, as well as consumer misleading. I've already have seen here in Supersol supermarket, a generic EEI=A rated LED lamps, with the same efficiency as an incandescent.
I didn't said anything bad about the american lighting technology.

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Mar 17, 2013 at 12:07 PM Author: Patrick
I bet the price reduction is related to Cree introducing an LED bulb priced at about $10. There's no way Philips could compete at over 3x the price.

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Mar 17, 2013 at 01:09 PM Author: toomanybulbs
dor123:"Who said that I hate american products? I simply hate the new technology of LEDs in general lighting. This technology puts the light bulbs in danger of extinction"
well the model t is extinct too.if you want one for a daily driver you can still find one.
in 100 years i will bet you can still find and operate a household incandescent lamp if you want to.i still use vacuum tubes from the early 1900's.
led's are taking over like it or not.
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Mar 17, 2013 at 01:26 PM Author: dor123
But unlike other lamp technologies that evolved over the years and replaced older ones naturally, the method that the LED might replace the other lightsource is totally different.
First of all, there is the lamp/ballast/tube ban, which intended to outlaw the older lighting technology. Secondly, the replacing of older lighting to LEDs, is rather artifically through very aggresive promotions campigns, what was much less in new technologies inside the regular lighting. Thirdly, the methods of the promotions in LED lighting (Which often accompanies with overdesigned LED products [As far as I know: The more the product design is beautiful, luxsus and invested, the less Mean Time Before Failure it will have. I noticed that most of the very best products that almost didn't failed {For example my mother Crystal Lady 409 washing mechine, and Amcor XL2 refrigerator, have a basic design}, have a very basic design, that its beauty wasn't invested]), is different than other lightsources, what might led to much faster overtaking of the LED, over the conventional lighting.
Indeed, the rate of the LED adoption, is faster than any other lighting technology, much like the smart devices (Smartphones and tablets) in computing.

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Mar 17, 2013 at 02:17 PM Author: RCM442
Dor, I have a tablet, and a phone, which I like because it lets me keep in touch with people I know! You seem to "hate" Philips lighting, I prefer Philips and Sylvania over GE! Of all the GE incandescents I've used, a lot of them exploded for no reason! There are a lot of products that look nice, and perform very well! There ARE some companies that make LEDs in the USA! My tablet was made in China, and it performs better then anything else I have messed with before! If you are going to bash EVERYTHING on here with an LED, I'm not going to bother showing anything eventually! If Philips really wanted to obliterate the electric lamp, they wouldn't be making LEDs either...technically an "electric lamp!"

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Mar 17, 2013 at 06:06 PM Author: FrontSideBus
Regarding the heatsinkage. Dor, have you not considered the possibility that as the technology is continuously improving, there is no longer and need for a large surface area of fins?

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Mar 18, 2013 at 01:44 AM Author: dor123
Rudy: I means the world Philips lighting in general (Not just the american company), as I've seen somewhere in the forum here, evidences that they account in great part for the lamp bans, and also that they want that all the general lighting will be LED based.
There are several types of lamps that I very love, that will be banned by the EU in 2015, including: Penning HPS lamps, internal starter HPS, regular HPS, deluxe HPS, white HPS and mercury, so almost no discharge lamps will remain.
Unlike lamp technology, where there is a freedom of lamp and brand choice in the fixture, replacing a LED module in a LED fixture, is more equivalent to replacing an ink tank or a toner cartridge in your printer, meaning that if you install a 3rd party replacement LED module in the fixture, to save money (As the OEM would be much expensive), this may void the warranty of the fixture.

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Mar 19, 2013 at 02:04 PM Author: RCM442
Your probably right, but no reason to act like a know it all! People don't like that. If you are unsure about something just ask! Don't act like you know something you don't! As far as LEDs go, they should stay in flashlights instead!

Linear fluorescent will never lose to LED!
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Jan 29, 2014 at 08:41 AM Author: themaritimegirl
How well do these bulbs cast the light? Given the general shape of the three light-emitting parts, and the gaps between them, I wonder if the flood shape/angle of the light is comparable to CFL or incandescent? I've never actually seen one of these bulbs operating in person yet.

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Sep 10, 2015 at 05:54 AM Author: Lumex120
How would these compare to the Cr(ap)ee LED lamps in terms of quality? Not that I would probably get one, just wondering.

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Sep 10, 2015 at 06:12 AM Author: FGS
They're pretty good quality wise. The 4Flow build is solid. But this lamp here is "Premium" while the Cree 4Flow is "Plus" if we were to use gas pump terms. The non dimmable LEDs are "Regular" so to speak.

They don't make these L-Prizes anymore sadly so finding them to buy will be harder.

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Sep 10, 2015 at 06:32 AM Author: Lumex120
I forgot about the Cree 4-flow. From what I hear, they are pretty good in terms of quality. Also, why would they discontinue the L-prize? Even if they were expensive, they still looked really nice and seemed to be good quality (the metal heatsinked ones anyway)

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Sep 10, 2015 at 07:09 AM Author: themaritimegirl
The L-Prize lived on for a while, just not under the L-Prize name. See here. After that, I guess they decided other designs were better and/or cheaper.

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Sep 10, 2015 at 03:05 PM Author: Silverliner
You wouldn't want to use the 4 flow in very dusty environments.

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Sep 10, 2015 at 03:06 PM Author: Lumex120
I hear that is one of the problems with them. So I guess I shouldn't use them in my chicken coop...

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Sep 11, 2015 at 06:31 PM Author: toomanybulbs
i need to grab a few of these.
btw best color for a heatsink is flat black.
the difference in emmisivity probably isnt enough to warrant making the heatsink black and making the end product look odd.
the white may reflect light a bit and help distribution.
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Aug 01, 2020 at 11:19 AM Author: Choukai Kai
Ah, nothing much is only 50 dollars, which here in Brazil in the conversion would give 261 reais, not counting the import and export taxes. Lol
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