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Why CMH have a longer hot restrike time if the internal perssure lower than QMH? « on: February 10, 2016, 07:11:01 AM » Author: dor123
I'm heard here, that ceramic metal halide lamps, have lower internal pressure than quartz metal halide lamps, so that violent EOL is less frequent. Despite this, they takes much longer time to cool down before restriking compared to quartz metal halide.
Why?
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Re: Why CMH have a longer hot restrike time if the internal perssure lower than QMH? « Reply #1 on: February 10, 2016, 07:17:31 AM » Author: wattMaster
I'm heard here, that ceramic metal halide lamps, have lower internal pressure than quartz metal halide lamps, so that violent EOL is less frequent. Despite this, they takes much longer time to cool down before restriking compared to quartz metal halide.
Why?
The most I could think of is a different tube shape, electrical properties, acting as an insulator, And different elements used Vs. Other types.
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Re: Why CMH have a longer hot restrike time if the internal perssure lower than QMH? « Reply #2 on: February 10, 2016, 08:28:16 AM » Author: dor123
The tube shape of CMH lamps, is better than the quartz, as it have no exhaust tip and have more uniform tempreature profile. This should short the hot restrike time, but actually don't do this.
Most CMH lamps here designed to operate on HPS chokes, except the 20W, which requires an active temperature control, and so a dedicated electronic ballast.
The Osram HQI-TS 150W/NDL Excellence, have the same chemistry as most CMH lamps, but its very long hot restrike time in my hostel floodlight, is mainly because of a crappy ignitor, and not because of the lamp and its elements. L_V managed to restrike it in less than 2 mins.
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Re: Why CMH have a longer hot restrike time if the internal perssure lower than QMH? « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2016, 08:57:07 AM » Author: Medved
I'm heard here, that ceramic metal halide lamps, have lower internal pressure than quartz metal halide lamps, so that violent EOL is less frequent. Despite this, they takes much longer time to cool down before restriking compared to quartz metal halide.
Why?

The answer is not that complex, more accurately it could be described in two points:

1) The arctube operates at a higher temperature. That means it obviously takes longet for the arctube to cool down to a state, when there is just the buffer fill in the gaseous form. As that means condensation of the majority of the mercury fill, the restrike temperature is about the same as with quartz counterparts. So with the difference being larger, it means there is more heat "stored" in the mass of the arctube, so it takes longer for it to go away.

2) As the operating temperature is higher and thermal losses lower (higher efficiency in converting the electricity to all radiation means there is less power available to heat up the arctube), the complete assembly means thermal resistance from the arctube to the environment should be made higher (practically done utilizing hard vacuum outer instead of the gas fill in the QMH's). While the mass of the arctube is about the same as the quartz counterparts (the burner dimensions of the modern quartz lamps are not much different), the higher thermal resistance means the arctube cools down slower. Plus the heat transfer is mainly by radiation, which gets way slower as the arctube is cooling down, making the cooling down even more slower.
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