1   Lamps / Modern / Re: ITT 70W 55V HPS Yard Light Troubleshooting  on: Today at 12:38:10 PM 
Started by Maxim - Last post by Maxim
Also, lucky for me Dez, my multimeter has replaceable fuses. So even if it were exposed to such high voltage, I would likely only need to change the fuse (I speak from experience  ;) .)
 2   Lamps / Modern / Re: ITT 70W 55V HPS Yard Light Troubleshooting  on: Today at 12:36:38 PM 
Started by Maxim - Last post by Maxim
Thank you Dez and Medved! I'll have a look tonight (I'll unscrew the ballast from its mount and have a look that way.)

The ballast looks to be in perfect shape honestly. Coils look pristine and there is no corrosion anywhere. Also, upon disconnecting the ignitor hot/neutral leads, what I do with those wires? Do I just put electrical tape on them for insulation or do I reconnect them to another place on the circuit? It seems to me that the wires going out of the fitting and through the wall go to the ignitor first, and then only later the ballast. Though I will have to confirm this when I disassemble it a tad later. Thank you again!!  8)
 3   Lamps / Modern / Re: ITT 70W 55V HPS Yard Light Troubleshooting  on: Today at 02:39:28 AM 
Started by Maxim - Last post by Medved
The voltages are normal. The ballast is just an inductor in series with the lamp. The "55V" of the lamp is not what the power source of the lamp should exhibit, but the voltage that the lamp imposes into the circuit, regardless what the current feed is. Because of that, you need some means to control the current fed into trhe lamp and that is, what the ballast is doing: It imposes a point in the circuit where the current gets restricted to the value the lamp is designed for (1.5A for a 70W lamp), letting the lamp "dictate" its own voltage.

In reality the arc voltage is dependent on the exact arctube temperature, so responds to the real power fed to the lamp, but only after a delay, so the ballast is required anyway.

If the lamp is not there or is not ignited, there is no current passing through the inductor, so no voltage drop across it, so you see the full mains voltage across the lamp socket.

With HPS it is a bit more complicated that the lamp needs some higher voltage in order to breakdown the gasses in the arctube, about 1kV or so, until an arc gets formed in the tube. That is the task of the ignitor, in conjunction with the ballast coil. The ignitor senses there is 100V+ across the lamp, so generates 100V pulses between the "ballast tap" and the lamp end of the coil. The ballast coil is then acting as a step up pulse transformer, boosting the 100V pulses from the ignitor to the 1.5kV or so available at the lamp socket. Once the lamp ignites, the voltage across the lamp gets clamped to the 55V (well it is way lower when the lamp is cold, but rises to the 50..60V as the lamp warms up), so des not reach the 100V threshold of the ignitor, so the ignitor stops generating the pulses and becomes passive, so lets the arc burn in the lamp

Now what could be wrong with your fixture:
1) First look for obvious signs of severe damage, indicating the ballast is gone, like charred insulation on the ballast, awful burning smell or so.
2) It could be a bad lamp (very frequent are broken welds after the lamp is shaken during transport when even partially worn out). If you happen to have a known good lamp, just try it.
3) The ballast winding wire could be broken. But your test has shown the mains is passing, so it seems the ballast is conductive, so this issue is unlikely in your case.
4) The winding may have an internal short circuit, so beside being unable to limit the current, it is unable to step up the ignition pulses. A test for this would be to insert about 100..150W incandescent into the socket. If it glows significantly less than when directly on mains, there is a good chance the choke is not shorted. If the lamp lights nearly full brightness, there is an internal short circuit in the coil. It is better to disconnect the ignitor (disconnecting its Neutral wire is enough) for this test, to prevent igniting an arc within the incandescent.
5) The tap connection going to the ignitor may be broken. To test it, just take a voltage reading across the whole ballast coil (LineIn vs LampOut) and compare to the voltage between the IgnitorTap vs LampOut. The later shoudl be about 5..10%.
6. Check the ignitor, most often the internal resistor/HF choke break open and/or the capacitor loses its capacitance. Connecting a "capacitance range" of a common multimeter between neutral-Tap or Neutral-Lamp (only one of them, you need to try) should give a reading in the 50..500nF ballpark range (broken resistor or RF choke will yield <100pF reading, degraded capacitor <<100 nF reading), but none should be DC conductive (resistance reading >1 MOhm; about 1..10 kOhm means the SIDAC is shorted). Either of these, the ignitor is bad.
Dunno how accessible are its components (some were easy to disassemble), it could be fixed, there are just 4 components: A capacitor (usually in the 100..470 nF ballpark, rated at 250V at least), a few kOhm resistor (in the 1..10kOhm ballpark, rated at 2..5W), a RF choke (some mH, a spool of a thin wire with either open ferrite core or with no core at all; these tend to be extremely sensitive to breaks due to corrosion, because of the very thin wire used; the breakage could sometimes be located and fixed, but sometimes the coil needs to be replaced), then a sidac (a diode-like looking semiconductor device, acting as a voltage triggered switch; it could be tested separately by connecting in series with an 20..60W incandescent, it should act like a dimmer yielding slightly dimmed operation but without any flicker). The sidac very rarely fails on itself, but a humidity may corrode out its leads - that would be quite visible even without any electrical test.
Generally broken ignitor uses to be fixed by just replacing the ignitor (any ignitor designed for a "55V" HPS will work here, the exact wattage does not have to match).
 4   Lamps / Modern / Re: ITT 70W 55V HPS Yard Light Troubleshooting  on: Today at 01:53:19 AM 
Started by Maxim - Last post by LightBulbFun
that to me sounds like the ignitor has failed,



and to be honest thats a good thing, because if you had probed the socket otherwise, with the ignitor still working, it would of likely fried your multimeter! (since the ignitor outputs multiple kilovolts to strike the lamp)


(with no lamp but a good ignitor normally you would hear some buzzing from the ignitor)


120V is normal to measure with no ignitor, what you are measuring there is whats known as the open circuit voltage, of the ballast, when there is no load on a ballast the voltage will rise significantly, in the case of what is likely a Choke/series inductor type ballast in your case


that will be whatever the mains voltage is




I would fit a replacement ignitor and see if things work



as a getto fix, you could wire an FS2 starter in series with a 100W incandescent lightbulb, and put that across the E39 lamp holder terminals, this will at least let you try and verify if the rest of the system is working :)


 5   General / Off-Topic / Re: Being here gives me extreme social anxiety  on: April 22, 2024, 08:34:08 PM 
Started by Silverliner - Last post by BT25
Dave, you're not ignored here...members/public look at your photos. Sorry that you feel ignored...keep your chin up. :bulbman:
I have to be honest and say I miss the interaction that used to be here...not much conversation like there once was... :sadbulb:
As for me, I have other responsibilities that keep me away for the most part, even thought I check in almost daily, and comment when appropriate.
 6   General / Off-Topic / Re: Being here gives me extreme social anxiety  on: April 22, 2024, 08:04:29 PM 
Started by Silverliner - Last post by Econolite03
Hey Dave feel free to message me if you need to.
 7   General / Off-Topic / Re: Being here gives me extreme social anxiety  on: April 22, 2024, 06:25:43 PM 
Started by Silverliner - Last post by marcopete87
Just trying hard to be here but I feel paranoid thinking people don’t like me. I can’t understand how they claim they love me but they don’t talk to me.

Why do you think that?
I think forum as a pub with live music: sometimes you go in this place, meet some people, chat; other times, you enter, take a drink while listening the music and return home.
Sometimes someone wants only to read topics, but isn't much interested on replying (i'm more interested on photos than chat) and this doesn't absolutely mean someone is annoyed with someother.
 8   Lamps / Modern / ITT 70W 55V HPS Yard Light Troubleshooting  on: April 22, 2024, 04:52:25 PM 
Started by Maxim - Last post by Maxim
Hi all,

I recently got a HPS yard light from one of my close friends. We tried all we could to make it work once again in the field, to no avail.

I brought it home with me (for the permanent collection) and am now beginning to disassemble it. I measured a few places with a multimeter. Across the taps of the ignitor (which is just a bare electronics board superimposed onto a sheet of "waterproof" paper) I had 120V. Additionally, checking the lamp socket, I also had 120V. This being a 55V lamp, is this normal? And if not, what component would cause the voltage to rise to that of mains? Additionally, if the behavior exerted is not normal, then is it possible that the lamp fried along with whatever other components? Additionally, there is no ballast hum whatsoever when turned on. Only silence.

The fitting is an ITT DR-70H.
 9   General / General Discussion / Re: What do you do with your collection?  on: April 22, 2024, 11:24:49 AM 
Started by Laurens - Last post by BT25
 Yep! :lol:
 10   General / General Discussion / Re: What do you do with your collection?  on: April 22, 2024, 10:43:42 AM 
Started by Laurens - Last post by Rommie
If you really wanted to blow them up, you could always send them to Photon  :mrg:
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