dont forget that phillips is phillips-lumileds.
makers of luxeon star,rebel,altilon.
looks like another dupont.
get a better product banned so you can sell something inferior you make.

Just great how are we going to enjoy lighting what we love in the future. no more MV, HPS, SOX, or those metal halide. each light source have there own application. and beside they want us to push the US like the EU on second teir wave of the ban.

Don't LEDs have lumen depreciation problems? There's always the claim some can even be better than fluorescents, but the LEDs installed in LA in 2009 already show signs of lumen depreciation and color shift. And these are BetaLED fixtures, supposedly one of the best LED fixtutes.

EYE Lighting now makes ceramic metal halide lamps with an impressive 95% lumen depreciation. But a lamp lasting 20 years or more is already here and has been for decades. It provides very good lumen maintenance when made correctly. And it has a color appearance good enough for street lighting and outdoor security lighting to be accepted by the public. That one is called "mercury vapor" and the Westinghouse Lifeguard lamp meets all of the above specs including high lumen maintenance.

Are super efficient lamps new? No! In 1908 two professors at Columbia University developed a carbon silicon filament lamp called the Helion and the filament could be heated high enough to melt the lead wires and/or even destroy the outer glass! It was said to be 45 times more efficient than ordinary carbon filament lamps and that is 150 lumens per watt. It's just that todays engineers are not as smart as those of yesteryear and they can't properly engineer an ideal technology today.

LED Lm deprecation is accelerated with the power to them. If you underpower the LEDs, they will last up to the 50K/100K lifetime and not have significan output deprecation, but it appears that in none of the LED lamps the LEDs are underpowered

The mercury lamp is one of the best light sources out there. It is not very efficient in Lm/W, but hey, count in maintenance, spot replacement costs, reliability, and you get damn good lamp. Besides, its eficiency is in the same order of magnitude as other light sources - so if you run on hydro / wind / solar power and dont count CO2, then mercury lamps ARE one of the greenest available. Thats besides magnetic fluorescent (again, litttle less efficient but way more consistent performance), HPS and SOX

They are not as smart ? Well i'd say interesting point. Today, many academic institutions are not at all about thinking, but about sorting and passing exams. It is possible that with the amount of smart people ouyt there being fairly constant, less and less of them are becoming engineers. This is very convenient for the industry giants : They get fresh work power from the academy, one that can do all the differential equations for them, but not competent enough to argue with the boss

Tired of anti-capitalist politicians and senseless environmentalists...

Remind you, the ones in charge this time ARE capitalists, namely Philips

Its not about anti-capitalist politicians, its about politicians bending to the capitalists and to the greenies and to their friends in the EU all alike, without thinking themselfes

This article might shock you guys, Gerard Philips was related to Karl Marx through marriage. Ironic that Philips Lighting is pushing for (...) bans on lamp technologies.

 http://www.nndb.com/people/105/000205487/

I don't understand how Philips can affect the governments of the world so much.
This is the greatest consumer misleading in the world, after the Samsung LCD TVs ad for 2008, which turned the word "LED" from a name of a semiconductor diode, to a synonym of an LCD screen (Especially the ones that uses LEDs for backlighting).

WHAT?!?!?! They're banning HID fixtures from AEL, GE, and other HID fixture manufactures, by the future? I'm definitely getting an HID streetlight, when they replace it with an LED!

It looks like it may have not gone anywhere because it said no new fixtures by 2015, but that was 3 years ago and there have been many HID fixtures made since then. I also haven't heard of any fixture bans at all other than this one.

This is why I'm more conservative and want the government to stay out of things like this. There are certain things they need to be involved in but free market trade such as this is not one of them, and Philips only would do this for their own gain, and it's rather shady if you ask me, for a company to try to dictate an entire market to get more money in their favor.