1   Lamps / Modern / Re: Construction of Incandescents vs Filament LEDs  on: Today at 04:50:56 PM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Multisubject
@James
1) I had no idea there were different shapes that looked like that, very interesting. I have been in contact with the live shell of a lamp that was in my dim bulb tester (actually live, not neutral), that definitely makes a lot of sense.

2) Very interesting, I haven't seen or wire supports in LEDs yet but now that you say that I'm gonna be on the lookout

3) That makes a lot of sense, I didn't think the heat would affect it much but obviously it is cured by heat so heat does something.

4) Interesting, I have seen incandescents with both types of connections. I have been looking into aluminum soldering recently and was very surprised at how difficult it is! Even with zinc chloride acid flux, a zinc-bearing solder alloy that I made, and vigorous cleaning and scraping while hot and fluxed I still couldn't get adhesion! No doubt whatever they put in there to get the solder to stick has to be pretty nasty.
 2   Lamps / Modern / Re: Construction of Incandescents vs Filament LEDs  on: Today at 04:24:41 PM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by James
1) The bulbs are the European PS60 style, vs the old American A19.  The reason is simply that China always favoured the European bulb style even for its incandescents.  And today that is mandatory for LEDs under the international safety standards.  The old narrow neck American A19 bulb was dangerous in some lampholders, because the customers’ fingers can get within less than 3mm from the live cap shell.  That is not permitted under present creepage & clearance requirements.  Old technology legacy incandescents could still be made that way since they had always been like that in USA.  But the LED standards outlawed it for those newer technology products and required manufacturers to finally correct that safety risk.  By making the bulb neck wider, they pass the IEC electrical safety finger test in many more kinds of lampholders.

2) Supports.  Even the older incandescents used glass cane for the arbor.  Around the 1960s that changed to tube to make a cost saving, but it is slightly weaker.  For the LEDs the cost of the inner glass stem is insignificantly low compared to other components, and also the weight of the LEDs is much greater than tungsten filaments.  As a cautionary measure to avoid failures, some companies went back to cane arbors.  But more recently as designs have been optimised they are mainly returned to tubing.  Some companies have even gone a step further and switches to a stiff metal wire.

3)Torsion strength is actually no worse for the LEDs despite the reduced contact area.  With incandescents there was a big degradation in bond strength due to the high temperature.  Manufacturers had to demonstrate that they still achieve 1.15Nm after 1000 hours at 210C.  Since the LEDs run cooler there is no significant degradation and a reduced contact area is sufficient.  Many Chinese factories use the old Osram recipe for basing cement, which contains a more intense green dye.  The curing, as far as I know, is still the same.

4) Aluminium bases are not so much used because they are softer and deform more easily.  This could compromise creepage and clearance distances to conductive parts of the driver inside the base.  This is easiest to avoid by using a harder metal such as brass.  Aluminium is also harder to solder and requires fluxes that are today very expensive or banned.  So usually they were usually welded.  Welding to aluminium also a tricky process that could be done with very thin monel fuse wires of incandescent lamps, but very difficult with the thicker wire materials used for LED drivers. 
 3   Lamps / Modern / Re: What is the best brand of LED bulbs on the market?  on: Today at 01:17:36 PM 
Started by Goodlighting2000 - Last post by Lightingeye60
Sylvania has served me the best. I would say a solid 60% of all LEDs in my house are Sylvania in name, including in more difficult applications like garage door openers, outside dusk-to-dawn lights, and otherwise. I had one "failure" over the course of 6 years, on their budget line ("EcoLED") and it was just one set of diodes intermittently turning on and off/lightly flickering, not the entire array failing.
Bulbrite has been junk.
GE has been junk.
Philips/Signify/K-Lite has been mediocre. DON'T BUY THEIR WarmGlo LINEUP!
Feit has been half-decent. Failures after 3-4 years, give or take, on their older stuff. Post-2021, they've been junk.
TCP seems to be decent as well.

It seems that many people don’t like GE. I’ve had good luck with GE’s snow cone and flood products but you can’t get the filament version of the GE, those are junk. I believe GE LEDs are actually made by Topstar which is why people’s experiences with them can be good or bad. Philips and Feit are the only major manufacturers that make their own LED bulbs.

I agree that their warm glow filament bulbs aren’t very good. Philips’s other products seem decent if you’re not buying the basic bulbs. Never tried Bulbrite and I believe Bulbrite is a contractor-grade brand and a commercial brand so they have to be bought off of websites like HD Supply or off commercial lighting vendors. Amazon might also carry them.
 4   Lanterns/Fixtures / Modern / Re: LED light fixture rant  on: Today at 12:06:36 PM 
Started by Lightingeye60 - Last post by Econolite03
I try to avoid integrated stuff as well, but unfortunately just that’s where the industry is going. Traditional fixtures will still be a thing, just not as popular.
 5   Lamps / Modern / Construction of Incandescents vs Filament LEDs  on: Today at 11:00:24 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Multisubject
Obviously both incandescent lamps and filament LED lamps are sealed glass bulbs filled with a gas and containing a light source inside. I would think their construction would be very similar, and it is, but there are some differences that I have noticed and I would like to know why they exist.

1) Envelope Shape:
I have noticed that A19 envelopes for filament LEDs seem to be a slightly different shape compared to those of incandescent lamps. In many incandescent lamps, the neck of the lamp transitions very smoothly from roughly tubular at the base to spherical in the bulb area, whereas in LEDs the transition is often more abrupt. Why would they change the envelopes when transitioning to LEDs? I am assuming much of the same equipment is used.

2) Supports:
In most lamps that I have seen, there is a glass support stem coming up from the pinch seal. This stem then ends and is connected to support wires that grab the filament, whether it be tungsten of LED. In incandescent lamps, this glass support is most of the time made of glass tubing of the same size as the exhaust tube. Presumably one single tube is pinched into the seal, with one side being used as a support and the other side blown open to be an exhaust tube. In LEDs, this inner support is most often a solid glass rod, meaning instead of using one piece of glass for the exhaust and support, they used two. I can’t even begin to imagine why this is the case cause I can’t see how making this change would make any difference to anything at all.

3) Base Mounting:
Both filament LEDs and incandescent lamps seem to be mounted to their bases with what looks like plain old basing cement. But of course LED envelopes have less surface area to adhere to since a lot of the base space is taken up by the driving circuitry. And the basing cement in LEDs looks less brown. I believe the basing cement starts green-ish and turns brown when it is fired, and many of these LEDs seem to be on the greener side. Is this to avoid cooking the circuitry when firing it? Also I haven’t seen any detachment problems but I would assume they would be more common when there is less cementing surface area, is this true?

4) Base Material:
Practically never seen an LED that didn’t have a nickel plated brass base. Why not aluminum? They were used plenty for incandescents, is it an aesthetics thing? Bare brass would be nice too but those seemed to sort of lose popularity at some point.

Thanks!
 6   General / General Discussion / Re: ANSI Ballast Codes: What's with the "E"?  on: Today at 06:17:19 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Medved
Isn't it so when the ballast drives the lamp in a way that may make the explosion prevention features ineffective?
 7   Lanterns/Fixtures / Modern / Re: LED light fixture rant  on: Today at 03:34:55 AM 
Started by Lightingeye60 - Last post by Lightingeye60
I think normally they’d just call maintenance
 8   Lamps / Modern / Re: What is the best brand of LED bulbs on the market?  on: July 16, 2026, 11:18:09 PM 
Started by Goodlighting2000 - Last post by mefurd98
I've actually had the best luck with GE believe it or not. My favorites are the GE Reveal LEDs that have been serving me for 5+ years. I've had the most failures with Feit with the lamps not technically "failing" but with getting so dim they barely put off any light anymore. Stay away from store brands (EcoSmart and Utilitech), those are trash. Other than that, I cannot speak on anything else because I have not had other brands in long term use like the ones I've mentioned.
 9   General / Off-Topic / Re: What did you do today NOT lighting wise  on: July 16, 2026, 11:13:54 PM 
Started by Bulbman256 - Last post by NeXe Lights
I stayed inside all day. AQI was constantly over 500 the whole day.
 10   Lamps / Modern / Re: What is the best brand of LED bulbs on the market?  on: July 16, 2026, 09:33:45 PM 
Started by Goodlighting2000 - Last post by Maxim
Sylvania has served me the best. I would say a solid 60% of all LEDs in my house are Sylvania in name, including in more difficult applications like garage door openers, outside dusk-to-dawn lights, and otherwise. I had one "failure" over the course of 6 years, on their budget line ("EcoLED") and it was just one set of diodes intermittently turning on and off/lightly flickering, not the entire array failing.
Bulbrite has been junk.
GE has been junk.
Philips/Signify/K-Lite has been mediocre. DON'T BUY THEIR WarmGlo LINEUP!
Feit has been half-decent. Failures after 3-4 years, give or take, on their older stuff. Post-2021, they've been junk.
TCP seems to be decent as well.
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