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That's if the LED's fixture aren't totally sealed in so you have to chuck out the entire fixture.
That's the worst case scenario...
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That's the worst case scenario...
Yes it mostly applies to unbranded rubbish.
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There are domestic fittings I don't like, though. We have a floor lamp which we got from our friend, it works well, but the LED in it is not replaceable. When it dies, the whole fitting is scrap. That to me is waste, and I hate waste.
Me to, and I love those little stickers that say no user serviceable parts inside, so when there is an issue I get out the warranty violator (leatherman tool) and start taking it apart and for the most part they are fixable, it's just not as easy as screwing in another bulb...
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Me to, and I love those little stickers that say no user serviceable parts inside, so when there is an issue I get out the warranty violator (leatherman tool) and start taking it apart and for the most part they are fixable, it's just not as easy as screwing in another bulb...
My warranty violator is a big hammer...
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My warranty violator is a big hammer...
Where's me 'ammer..? I ain't 'avin' it..!
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I much prefer the softer glow of SOX/HPS lighting, as it is soothing on the eye at night time, a human's night vision is monochromatic, so having a full spectrum glare bomb is pointless. Seeing a car coming towards you is much better than knowing that the car you just hit because of the glare was red.
When it comes to replacing EoL fittings LED at its worst means replacing the whole fixture and at its best you would have to isolate the supply, go up in a cherry picker, unscrew at least 4 screws, then you can put a new LED element in and replace the screws.
Compare that to SOX/HPS, with them when it gets to EoL all you need to do is isolate the supply, go up in the cherry picker unclip the bowl, replace the lamp and clip the bowl back in place. All done in a fraction of the time. Unless something on the gear tray has died? , most, decent commercial LED lanterns are driver and diode changeable just like any HID lantern is gear and lamp changeable, so theres not a lot of difference. I have to say though, I think LED is much easier on the eyes than HID, after 40 years of seeing sodium lighting here, I do prefer seeing our town back in white again, at night, like the MBF nights of the 70s I remember as a kid, it looks so much better being able to see the green of the grass and trees, and other colours. To me this gives a `warmer, softer glow` at night if that makes any sense???
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Unless something on the gear tray has died? , most, decent commercial LED lanterns are driver and diode changeable just like any HID lantern is gear and lamp changeable, so theres not a lot of difference.
I have to say though, I think LED is much easier on the eyes than HID, after 40 years of sodium lighting, I do prefer seeing our town back in white again, at night, like the MBF night of the 70s I remember as a kid.
That's as maybe, but the bean counters want the lighting departments to buy the cheapest fitting on the market. I for one much prefer a softer light as previously stated, having to wear glasses means that any glare is intensified for me.
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I won't be happy if they decide on using white light where I live. I'm so used to having SOX lit roads where I live and love their yellow glow.
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I won't be happy if they decide on using white light where I live. I'm so used to having SOX lit roads where I live and love their yellow glow.
Absolutely.!!!!
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We have had LPS lighting here as far back as the early 60s, indeed I grew up with the change over from mercury lamps to SOX, it was also the LPS lamp that got me interested in lighting in the first place. It must be an age thing with me though, I hate the colour of them now I take our dog out at 5 each morning, and walking from LED lit roads to SOX lit roads just looks awful!, one of the reasons SOX was used at night, (apart from the 70s energy crisis), is the human eye achieves a higher visual acuity under its light, this was one of the first things I remember reading about them years ago. However I do find myself questioning this now!, as I have always had good eyesight until I turned 40, when it starts to go downhill! , but I can see so much more under 4000K of LED lanterns than I can under SOX now!, due to LEDs sharper light. For instance, a bush by a gate post in the distance can look like a person standing there under 1800K of SOX, as they make everything look a dark black/grey, (Ash, my slightly antisocial German Shepard doesn`t really do random people standing in gateways early in the morning darkness), so I usually cross the road to avoid a nasty surprise!. This situation improved slightly with HPS lamps, but a bush/person under LED looks like a bush/person as your eyes can see what it really is in white light! As for not wanting to lose SOX street lighting, sadly there will be no choice in another 3 years, as there just won`t be any made to keep using! Your right about the `council bean counters` Sammi, but I`d be interested to know what make/model of LED street lighting they have started to install in your area, that make them so bad? Our council tested just 3 lanterns in different roads last year, No1 the DW Kirium, (just nasty shocking glare bombs)!, No2 Urbis`s Ampara, (ugly and with a tendency to let water in)!, and No3 Philips`s Uni-Street. Philips won , and no surprise really, as the Uni-Street is perfection as far as LED lanterns go, good output, good colour, not glarey, and their a smarter design on the end of the poles than all the others. This time last year Cheshire East started to fit them in mass, and now their almost done, out of a 100% SOX lit streets in my town, we have just 7 SOX left in service, and 3 SON!
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LEDs are best for stage lighting this also goes along with the color changing LED bulb Anything else I think is stupid (My opinion)
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LEDs are best for stage lighting this also goes along with the color changing LED bulb Anything else I think is stupid (My opinion)
Yes, in that application they work well, but there are some places that LEDs should never be used.
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We have had LPS lighting here as far back as the early 60s, indeed I grew up with the change over from mercury lamps to SOX, it was also the LPS lamp that got me interested in lighting in the first place. It must be an age thing with me though, I hate the colour of them now
The first street lights I remember in our road when I was very small were 500W incandescents (showing my age now..!) but they soon changed to HPMV's, not sure of the wattage, but given the type of road, probably around 250/400W. I take our dog out at 5 each morning, and walking from LED lit roads to SOX lit roads just looks awful!, one of the reasons SOX was used at night, (apart from the 70s energy crisis), is the human eye achieves a higher visual acuity under its light, this was one of the first things I remember reading about them years ago.
5am Well more fool you for going out at that God-forsaken hour Yes, the human eye is at its most sensitive at the same part of the spectrum as the LPS lamp output. They are also IMO the best to drive under at night; personally I hate driving under LED or other white light, LPS is far better, if only for the reason that it is easier to perceive movement than under other light. I would much rather be able to clearly see a car coming towards me than knowing the car that just hit me was red..! However I do find myself questioning this now!, as I have always had good eyesight until I turned 40, when it starts to go downhill! , but I can see so much more under 4000K of LED lanterns than I can under SOX now!, due to LEDs sharper light. For instance, a bush by a gate post in the distance can look like a person standing there under 1800K of SOX, as they make everything look a dark black/grey, (Ash, my slightly antisocial German Shepard doesn`t really do random people standing in gateways early in the morning darkness), so I usually cross the road to avoid a nasty surprise!.
I must confess I don't really do much walking outside at night, except the short walk to the supermarket (5 minutes) which is at the moment mainly metal halide, although LED is encroaching, unfortunately This situation improved slightly with HPS lamps, but a bush/person under LED looks like a bush/person as your eyes can see what it really is in white light! As for not wanting to lose SOX street lighting, sadly there will be no choice in another 3 years, as there just won`t be any made to keep using!
If I can't have SOX, then I definitely prefer HPS. We still have them in our street, but I suspect their days are numbered I will definitely be keeping an eye out for the crews when they do get taken down..! Your right about the `council bean counters` Sammi, but I`d be interested to know what make/model of LED street lighting they have started to install in your area, that make them so bad? Our council tested just 3 lanterns in different roads last year, No1 the DW Kirium, (just nasty shocking glare bombs)!, No2 Urbis`s Ampara, (ugly and with a tendency to let water in)!, and No3 Philips`s Uni-Street.
Philips won , and no surprise really, as the Uni-Street is perfection as far as LED lanterns go, good output, good colour, not glarey, and their a smarter design on the end of the poles than all the others. This time last year Cheshire East started to fit them in mass, and now their almost done, out of a 100% SOX lit streets in my town, we have just 7 SOX left in service, and 3 SON!
I don't know what make/model they are, and to be quite honest I don't really care. I detest LED street lighting and I doubt anything is going to change my mind any time soon.
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Yes, in that application they work well, but there are some places that LEDs should never be used.
Like street lighting
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