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Title: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on July 30, 2017, 09:41:37 AM
Hey all  ;)

Any of you LG members listen to or is a fan of the electronica group, Aphex Twin (AFX)??

I have for some time since discovering AFX twin been quite of a fan, not totally diehard but I can 100% appreciate their style of music because they seem to play around with some weird/awesome tunes/sound effects with strong bass beats and techno drumbeats  8) 8) I can so relate to their weird awesome nature of their music. I post you some really good examples on this thread and one of the songs involves a vacuum cleaner at the start and it switches off hearing the dying motor sound before the tune starts

https://youtu.be/Sort2m3H3dc (Vacuum cleaner sample at the start  ;D 8) ) it has a snazzy Jazzy/Bluesy feel to it!

https://youtu.be/kIBs65-cm6I (at 0.37 it starts to sound sick and makes me think of driving in a tunnel full of T12 Fl lighting)

https://youtu.be/_mrbwuBuE80 - Makes me think of an HID lit store

https://youtu.be/8u0VYJe3N9k Makes me think of Australia in the future (MVlamps I hope you like this!!!)

https://youtu.be/htt1fNiKYcQ?t=1h26m11s (from a full album but has a time tag to the part of one track where someone sounds as if she's saying "I want to push IKEA"  ;D ;D )

https://youtu.be/bIoI0yE0aIo?list=PLiN-7mukU_RHfppe7hjRD6WU06C9ib-T4 (Full album of the 21 year old yep 21 year old! Richard D James album! I crack up every time I see the design of the album front cover because whoever posed in the pic who is Richard James looks almost very much a younger version of the boyfriend of my mum's closest friend. Yep him who decorated our three bathrooms and found me an old MH lamp  ;D

https://youtu.be/Cyo61Q69xtI ( I listen to this whilst I'm in the shower. The track Entrance to Exit is my favourite its so fantastic to listen even on a train journey to London!!)


So then enjoy listening and feel free to comment on the tracks & albums I've posted  :)

All best
FF96  :) :) ;)

 
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on July 30, 2017, 11:11:17 AM
I had not heard of Aphex Twin until today and I looked it up on Spotify.  Really cool and unique electronic music!  I like any kind of smooth jazz or "elevator music" while I'm driving or studying, and this sounds really cool!  I'm always excited to find music that's really new and unique.
 Great recommendation, Fluroflan96!
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on July 30, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
Your tracks posted here are sweet!  The 2nd and 3rd ones remind me of driving fast at night with my new Philips CrystalVision xenon style headlights going.  The one with the didgeridoo is really awesome and reminds me of Rocko's Modern Life, an American cartoon from the 90's about an Australian wallaby.  I like the last track too.  It's a lot like progressive rock from bands like Rush who have different movements throughout the same song.  Awesome music, rock on FF96 8)
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on July 30, 2017, 12:04:07 PM
Super, CEB1993 I'm glad you've found a new music artist to listen too  8) seems I've started you off very well. It does grow on you for definate.

Some more tracks and these are the first ones that drew me in about 2- 3 years ago!!!

https://youtu.be/0Z4cLmbw6q0 - Heliosphan. Listened to it numerous amount of times when I was on the LU tube commuting around London and on the bus as well as train.

https://youtu.be/H5eRyZPNj1w - XTAL: Now this track, XTAL started my obsession with Aphex Twin as it reminded me as a young small boy in a warehouse store shop that had lowbay HID MH fixtures!!! This would be great elevator music IMO

https://youtu.be/EVxCbLfV2HA - OMG this should be used for any re released PAC-MAN game soundtrack! Literally discovered it yesterday and its a work of art


 Quote from CEB93: "The 2nd and 3rd ones remind me of driving fast at night with my new Philips CrystalVision xenon style headlights going.  The one with the didgeridoo is really awesome and reminds me of Rocko's Modern Life, an American cartoon from the 90's about an Australian wallaby.  I like the last track too.  It's a lot like progressive rock from bands like Rush who have different movements throughout the same song.  Awesome music, rock on FF96"

2nd and 3rd ones are my favourite ones but the 2nd one has more energy in it  8) I too just cannot stop thinking of the digidoo one  ;D

Which 'last track' name youre referring to?
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on July 30, 2017, 01:02:27 PM
The last track that I mentioned was the 1991 Analogue Bubblebath from your first post. I added Heliosphan and XTAL to my playlist. Really chill sounding!  AFX is really cool and a great new flavor of a style of music that I've always enjoyed!

Here's my playlist:

Xtal
Digeridoo
Analogue Bubblebath
Tha
#15
#9
On
Xepha
Avril 14
Ziggomatic17
Nanou2
4bit 9d api+e+6
We Have Arrived
4
Beskhu3epnm
Heliosphan

Cheers,
CEB1993
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on July 30, 2017, 04:54:41 PM
Hi CEB 93

Aveil 14th - Thats so cool that they tried to do a piece on a classical piano, which is what you least expect of some crazy synthesiser electronica band to do! Probably to lure more people who like the sound of the classical piano

Ziggomatic17: Sounds like an arcade room thats gone all hyper  ;D ;D 8) or shall we say some totally new soundtrack for a Mario game or any 8 bit game  :D

Xepha sounds like a foghorn gone mad at me  ;D :D reminds me when I stayed at the Isle of Wight (tiny tooth shaped island of South England within English Channel) 5 mins from the seaside and during foggy/rainy days the foghorn would blast out twice every 15-16 seconds. Pcycadelic madness I must say

Nanou2: So very modern classical romantic style brought into the very late 20th or 21st Century. Think my mum will like that as she is a classical piano player herself! In fact its my more favourite classical style to the Avril 14th IMO but still very good that they embraced the classical piano, I guess it is how AFX Twin managed to gain or preserve its audience. I am so attached to its slow sombre mood as it reminds me slightly of Chopin  8)

4bit 9d api+e+6 Oh my goodness that is amazing, seriously if the game franchise COD had this soundtrack or similar I would consider playing it. But since COD lacks good music I will not be playing it, though I was a bit impressed with the Zombies game that my cousin has on his iPhone 4 that he had for 7 years!!


4: That track is excellent IMO I like to listen to it whilst on the train and when I'm running on the treadmill! I am so bad when it come to regular gym routines as I've stopped this summer going to the gym well since like late April because of a lot of things including my violin and sport is not my strong point of me although I do find some sport games (apart from playing football and rugby) quite fun like tennis, badminton, b ball etc.

We Have Arrived: Not to my sort of taste but I can see how cool it can sound  ;) ;)

Beskhu3epnm: Sounds like perfect for Minecraft!


On - its brilliant, especially the starting tune  8) 8) another cracker which I will add to my shower playlist

15: Car advert style electronica music  8) 8) In the shower or car playlist  :D

#9: Again not to my taste but its good to listen

Tha is really awesome as I love the background "The train from platform ##" followed by someone undoing a velcro strap  8) 8) perfect for the train commute. LU thoughts come to mind


I can understand why a lighting fanatic like me and you CEB93 would grow into this sort of electronica music.  8) Off topic one track from a group called Demdike stare, this time they're more abstract than AFX Twin https://youtu.be/07SXL42Zvxc this sounds like a 50/100Hz transformer at a sub station in the UK or a bunch of FL lighting running on UK 50Hz frequency magnetic ballasts
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on July 30, 2017, 10:29:02 PM
I listen to Deadmau5 and they have a song called 8bit which reminds me a lot of Ziggomatic17.  Those kinds of songs give off a retro video game vibe  8)

Avril 14 sounds pretty with the piano and is a relaxing compliment from the more energetic Ziggomatic17 and Xepha.  I like to go for a variety of different beats in my playlists.

AFX has songs for just about anything from chilling out to exercising.  It ranges from slow, melancholy, and relaxed sounds to exhilarating and fast paced sounds.   I tried to pick a variety of different sounding songs, they all sound cool!  I played a lot of GameCube games when I was younger and much of this music reminds me of the electronic background music from the games I used to play like Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. 
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on August 10, 2017, 08:42:26 AM
CEB1993 Check this one out https://youtu.be/wpDmZVYC8KU Polynominal C is so beautiful

I don't know much about Deadmau5 as I don't listen to this group, soz about that. I like a bit of variety in music especially with the same artist/group that makes them more interesting

https://youtu.be/xWNzZYCOyEE This is also cool

https://youtu.be/HVp6NH59d3M Under the name of Polygon Window but its the man of AFX Twin who composed this!!!! Think of a brutalist 70s building with recessed FL lighting that has T12 tubes and other cool surface mount T12 FL lighting within the building

Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on August 10, 2017, 12:20:56 PM
CEB1993 Check this one out https://youtu.be/wpDmZVYC8KU Polynominal C is so beautiful

I don't know much about Deadmau5 as I don't listen to this group, soz about that. I like a bit of variety in music especially with the same artist/group that makes them more interesting

https://youtu.be/xWNzZYCOyEE This is also cool

https://youtu.be/HVp6NH59d3M Under the name of Polygon Window but its the man of AFX Twin who composed this!!!! Think of a brutalist 70s building with recessed FL lighting that has T12 tubes and other cool surface mount T12 FL lighting within the building



Hey Flurofan96,

I added Polynomial C to my Spotify playlist last week.  It really sounds cool.  My favorite songs so far are 4 from the Richard D. James Album, Digeridoo from the Digital Archive album, and Heliosphan.  Heliosphan reminds me of another electronic/jazz artist, Jah Wobble who I listen to.  The Lisbon Acid sounds like good driving music, especially at night and Dice Man sounds more subdued and sort of suspenseful.  Both are really cool! Thank you for your recommendations  :D
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: xmaslightguy on August 10, 2017, 09:00:08 PM
I've heard of Aphex Twin (and know I've heard some of their music)...but surprised I don't have any of their CD's .. I guess that's something to keep a watch for at the local used CD place.
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on August 21, 2017, 04:17:33 PM
Aphex Twin style of electronic music is something that actually feels like a part of my soul and you get feelings when you see something that has a weird aura but at the same time looks/feels pretty like every lighting enthusiast sees old lighting  8)

So far I only collected one CD of AFX Twin that is the Windowlicker EP and I've got 4 tracks from the SAW 85-92 album (Xtal, Helipshan, Tha and Atrium) electronically from iTunes, same for the Richard D James album! The rest of AFX I can only access YT to listen

Here is another song I like of AFX Twin https://youtu.be/htt1fNiKYcQ?t=19m34s this is like being on a FL lit street
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: xmaslightguy on August 21, 2017, 10:45:15 PM
@Flurofan96:
I'll have to check out that YouTube link later ... when both my other computer and stereo are on. :)
I don't do iTunes (or any of the other "pay for 'nothings'  sites). I do enjoy looking through CD's at garage-sales or the local used media store though.
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: HomeBrewLamps on August 21, 2017, 11:01:25 PM
my mum likes Aphex twin.
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on August 22, 2017, 08:20:05 AM
Xmaslightsguy: I am not a fan of downloading music for offline use because you don't get that feeling that you "own" it! I use an ipod and my method of installing albums is to:

1: find/buy CD
2: insert it to my imac for iTunes library to read and import the cd
3: sync cd content on my ipod

So I love collecting cds as well as having my ipod with me. There is a music shop in Reading that sells cracking cds mostly dance, electronic and all the classic rock artists such as Elvis, Jimmy Hendrix, The Beatles and many more. They have a small classical music selection but it doesn't matter as at home we have loads of Classical music cds.

HBL: that's cool that yer mum like AFX Twin
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: HomeBrewLamps on August 22, 2017, 10:04:52 AM
last i counted i had 3174 all are either 320kbs MP3,195kbs OGG or FLACon my MP3 player... lol i dont use things like itunes ... i have no need for them really, i hate my phone so really syncing anything is of no use unless its a USB cable lol
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: xmaslightguy on August 23, 2017, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Flurofan96
Here is another song I like of AFX Twin (youtube link) this is like being on a FL lit street 
Playing it now :) Obviously not gonna listen to the whole thing since its a really long vid!
If I cranked up my stereo & turned on the subwoofer, i bet some parts of that could shake the room pretty good .lol. but I don't want to wake anyone up...
I've never been on a FL lit street :( as far as I know such never existed here.

----
I too like collecting CDs (I don't convert too many to MP3 though because its extremely time consuming)
There was a place here that sold used (and new) CDs/DVDs/Books/etc that went out of business last year...I didn't count, but I wouldn't be surprised if I hauled home a couple hundred CDs from the closing sale - the majority being 50cents each or less :)
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Michael on September 11, 2017, 04:57:48 PM
https://soundcloud.com/cyclotron/user48736353001-mix

That's my actual favorite mix from Richard D James   ;D

Of course I listen to his music for almost two decades  :D
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: DimBulb on September 15, 2017, 05:38:55 PM
I've been into Aphex Twin/AFX for years!
I also like Autechre a lot and sometimes Mouse on Mars and Nobukazu Takemura.
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on October 16, 2017, 05:39:29 AM
https://youtu.be/ACd2EOj3JO0

Another classic song from RDJ  (Polygon Window) this sounds like it's in some 1970s cop/police TV series.

Also I've discovered Autechre recently and my most favourite tracks is IO https://youtu.be/V5xVXyLt_t4
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: suzukir122 on October 16, 2017, 06:44:02 AM
Because of this thread, after years of passing by that video "Aphex Twin Window Licker," I finally gave in and watched the video.


My day is ruined.

I think I'm gonna go lay down now.
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on October 16, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
sorry about that, Suzukir122  :'( :'(

Also you know electronic instruments/effects are not the same in Hip hop/rap music as to Techno/Dance/IDM well because of the style difference. One example what I see in some hip hop/rap music is that electronic instrument that sounds like a caribbean drum in a 'wah' style and tons of other electronic sounds that you only hear in hip hop which sound sort of 'lifeless' or 'flat'. Back in IDM, Techno/Dance the electronic instruments and effects like have more soul in them

https://youtu.be/HVp6NH59d3M Polygon Window - the electronic instruments be it sythesiser keyboards and drum beats, they are like have more expression and soul in them!!! Imagine being in a room full of fluorescent lighting or a HPS lit street

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWny1Z9LzCk - Travis scott - Oh its OK but its more like being on a street with LED lighting and walking into a cheap establishment that has LED panel lights! Also you hear the electronic instrument that sounds like a steel drum with the 'wah' sound
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: suzukir122 on October 16, 2017, 01:57:11 PM
 ;D Fluorofan96, not sure if you caught it or not, but I was joking when I said "My day is ruined. I'm gonna go lay down." hahaha...
merely a joke. I'm use to seeing women dancing. (and of course those women were really really fiiinneee) HOWEVER... I'm not use to seeing
creepy man-faced women dancing.  And then Rubber Johnny, also by Aphex Twin, wasn't any less creepy.
(If you haven't checked the video Rubber Johnny, check it out. VERY creepy)
But yeah as for Hip Hop, I literally grew up listening to rap. That was literally 90% of the music I would always listen to as a kid.
I even wanted to become a Hip Hop and R&B music producer. (I still have a heavy interest in doing so) I'm half African American, and half
Barbadian. I don't know if my ethnic background has anything to do with why I'm always so fixated on finding music with good, unique sounds
and rhythms, but I've always wondered if this is the case.
Maybe that's why I absolutely hate a lot of the stuff Hip Hop and R&B music producers have to offer nowadays. lol
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on October 19, 2017, 06:26:46 AM
Suzukir122: Hahhaaaa  ;D :D sorta sensed that didn't I  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I grew up as a child with classical music as my mum is a classical piano teacher and I started playing violin at the age 8. I remember listening to Chopin nocturnes as back in the childhood days and then later on I listened to Beethoven and Dvorak and now I listen to some classical music as well as the music I've been saying in the past time on LG

Even when I was a kid, I listened to alongside classical music, was ELO and this old band called 10CC (I'm Not In Love song producers) and I am not a hip hop/rap person as I said I did not grow up listening to that sort of thing and the style I find of rap very irritating as it mainly is very very fast talking and its like you cannot ignore the lyrics as they sort of bash you in the head. I don't like listening to music where the tune or instrumental material is devoid of any artistic/aesthetic interest and it is left to the singer/vocalist to impress with the lyrics and so. As from my background, the culture of hip hop and rap feels very alien to me! I have found some very good rap or grime songs https://youtu.be/5r9n-PBPa_g by Meek Mill is extremely good with its tune!

I made a new friend at my uni and she knows Aphex Twin and she showed me the Rubber Johnny which was creepy  :o
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: suzukir122 on October 19, 2017, 07:14:02 AM
Meek Mill, I have no interest in. LOL... the tune of that particular song is alright... at least the background music.
The rhythm is okay, but really sounds like the typical rhythm made in 2016/2017. Nothing unique about it to me.
As for Meek's lyric... horrible. And then also, most songs where they cheat and use computerized vocals = instant radio
station/song changing for me.

There are other musical interests I've developed as a kid, that had nothing to do with rap. A good example, the group
Art Of Noise, and their song Moments In Love (Remixed version only) is absolutely a song I listened to as a kid over and over
again. Both because of the beat, and the music. The original version is okay, but the Remixed version is much, much better,
with the Saxophone near the end of the song.
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: xmaslightguy on October 19, 2017, 09:06:52 PM
Quote from: Flurofan96
Also you know electronic instruments/effects
With electronic, you can make any sound be an "instrument" :lol:

I always thought it'd be fun to do a YouTube vid and make background "music" for it made up of a various little 'fluorescent sounds' (like starters clicking & ballast hums)...
Somewhere I have a little collection of such sounds that I recorded, but never did anything with .lol.



Quote from: suzukir122
  Maybe that's why I absolutely hate a lot of the stuff Hip Hop and R&B music producers have to offer nowadays. lol
Not really a fan of rap/hip-hop myself ... but I did/do like some of the stuff made back in the 80's/early-90's :)
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: suzukir122 on October 19, 2017, 09:42:04 PM
Me too. The 80's and 90's rap are absolute classics. Heck, the 80's and 90's music in general were
mainly made up of classics. I think it has a lot to do with passion for music back then compared to now.
The lyrics of most songs were great too.
That being said, there are those songs that got me scratching my head wondering what the heck was going on.
It was really rare but, it has happened. A good example of this is the song "Take These Broken Wings." by Mr. Mister.
MAAANNN up to this day I don't understand the lyrics. Loved the music, but still... I really don't understand
the story of that song. lol
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on November 10, 2017, 11:52:21 AM
OMG when I was having some booze with my mats in my uni, this song was played on the speakers of the bar and I Shazammed that song and it was Foals - What Went Down. I listened to it and it actually reminded me of AFX Twin's 'Xtal" track but in rock style and with lyrics

https://youtu.be/dEdpoLeF7sg?list=RDdEdpoLeF7sg Foals - What Went Down

https://youtu.be/H5eRyZPNj1w - AFX Twin - Xtal

Different style but I can see the sound similarity, especially with that resonating 'G note"  8) 8)
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on December 13, 2017, 01:56:32 PM
One of my favorite AFX songs so far is 4.  https://youtu.be/bIoI0yE0aIo?list=PLiN-7mukU_RHfppe7hjRD6WU06C9ib-T4

It's sort of melancholy and yet catchy.  Reminds me of driving through town at twilight during the winter, when the sun sets early in the day.  This song has a lot of emotion in it to me.
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on December 14, 2017, 04:47:26 PM
CEB1993: I love this '4' song from this 1996 close up grin of AFX  8)

https://youtu.be/PbCggYLtNv4 - this is cool!

https://youtu.be/QmJNkPnX2Jw - Sick one!!
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: suzukir122 on December 14, 2017, 06:01:49 PM
:o  :o  :o Aphex Twin made music for Blade??!! That was my show!!! One of my favorite shows
as a kid!
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on December 14, 2017, 10:55:10 PM
CEB1993: I love this '4' song from this 1996 close up grin of AFX  8)

https://youtu.be/PbCggYLtNv4 - this is cool!

https://youtu.be/QmJNkPnX2Jw - Sick one!!

I like those.  They both have a more suspenseful feel than most Aphex Twin songs.  They remind me of video games and robots.  In fact, there is a stage in one of my favorite Nintendo GameCube games, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle that uses similar music to Polygon Window.  This game has lots of really great music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnQJwaKTmk
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: Flurofan96 on December 15, 2017, 06:37:16 PM
That Sonic song track you showed me is excellent its a rock version of AFX Twin  8)
Title: Re: Anyone listens or is a fan of Aphex Twin/AFX ?? (Music electronica group)
Post by: CEB1993 on December 16, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
That Sonic song track you showed me is excellent its a rock version of AFX Twin  8)

I'm glad you liked it, Peter!  That Sonic Adventure 2 Battle game has awesome music :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJrRP9ua3k&list=PLE9C66B83E9254B6D&index=18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VZIHUMcmWs&list=PLE9C66B83E9254B6D&index=32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7czgoj-q_k&list=PLE9C66B83E9254B6D&index=30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNRp3HUAEN0&index=51&list=PLE9C66B83E9254B6D